NWLL baseball scandal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is willing to say anything - everyone knows.
And it is a fantastic message to teach our kids.
Yeah - everyone knows _________ does not live here or go to school here - but we want to win.

Unfortunately a lot of these parents (ahem…dads) have a lot of power and can screw your kid over for years to come, if you cross them. Most have a strong foothold in the local travel team scene as well. Sad as that may be. So- people keep quiet.

Yup. Those dads are the worst @assho1es out there. People who were supposedly our friends screwed over our boys. Though, I did call them out. Went through a lot of teams, and only one coach was not a raging egomaniac ready to eff their kid’s friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to. [/quot

LLI doesn’t allow it. You could play a different type of youth rec baseball, but you would not be allowed to call it LL.

There are restrictions on how many kids reside in certain geographic boundaries before you have to create a new LL.

You can share the same overhead. McLean LL shares the same overhead but technically has two LLs based on where kids reside and go to school. I think they call it American and National and they field two different all star teams.

What's the number? There are definitely LL's that have more players than all the DC LL's combined.

Where? Name 1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

LLI doesn’t allow it. You could play a different type of youth rec baseball, but you would not be allowed to call it LL.

There are restrictions on how many kids reside in certain geographic boundaries before you have to create a new LL.

You can share the same overhead. McLean LL shares the same overhead but technically has two LLs based on where kids reside and go to school. I think they call it American and National and they field two different all star teams.

What's the number? There are definitely LL's that have more players than all the DC LL's combined.

Where? Name 1.

Darien, CT LL. According to Google 1474 enrolled players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

My kids played both soccer and LL, NWLL in fact. I remember that their soccer division had more players than the entire NWLL program. This meant that while in NWLL they had to combine three grades to get enough players to form a half-dozen teams, in soccer everyone in the division was the same age. Within the division there were three flights grouped by ability. There were also separate divisions for all-girls and coed. You never played the same team twice in a season.

In short, the competitiveness of play was light-years higher and the games were just more enjoyable. NWLL is the biggest DC LL, and it's too small to provide a competitive experience. Pooling the players would mean a better experience for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

My kids played both soccer and LL, NWLL in fact. I remember that their soccer division had more players than the entire NWLL program. This meant that while in NWLL they had to combine three grades to get enough players to form a half-dozen teams, in soccer everyone in the division was the same age. Within the division there were three flights grouped by ability. There were also separate divisions for all-girls and coed. You never played the same team twice in a season.

In short, the competitiveness of play was light-years higher and the games were just more enjoyable. NWLL is the biggest DC LL, and it's too small to provide a competitive experience. Pooling the players would mean a better experience for everyone.

There are 8 leagues in DC. They play in a “state” tournament to decide a “state” champion. If there were only 1 league DC wouldn’t be treated as a state and invited to participate in the regional tournament. Maybe we should not upend the structure of the largest youth sports competition in the world because an unscrupulous NWLL coach wanted a free trip to rural Connecticut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

Good news. DCPR offers baseball. You do you.

https://dpr.dc.gov/release/dpr-open-registration-spring-programs-tuesday-march-1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

My kids played both soccer and LL, NWLL in fact. I remember that their soccer division had more players than the entire NWLL program. This meant that while in NWLL they had to combine three grades to get enough players to form a half-dozen teams, in soccer everyone in the division was the same age. Within the division there were three flights grouped by ability. There were also separate divisions for all-girls and coed. You never played the same team twice in a season.

In short, the competitiveness of play was light-years higher and the games were just more enjoyable. NWLL is the biggest DC LL, and it's too small to provide a competitive experience. Pooling the players would mean a better experience for everyone.

Players bail on NWLL when it becomes apparent they don’t have a fair shot at the summer tournament teams. This house cleaning will address your concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

My kids played both soccer and LL, NWLL in fact. I remember that their soccer division had more players than the entire NWLL program. This meant that while in NWLL they had to combine three grades to get enough players to form a half-dozen teams, in soccer everyone in the division was the same age. Within the division there were three flights grouped by ability. There were also separate divisions for all-girls and coed. You never played the same team twice in a season.

In short, the competitiveness of play was light-years higher and the games were just more enjoyable. NWLL is the biggest DC LL, and it's too small to provide a competitive experience. Pooling the players would mean a better experience for everyone.

There are 8 leagues in DC. They play in a “state” tournament to decide a “state” champion. If there were only 1 league DC wouldn’t be treated as a state and invited to participate in the regional tournament. Maybe we should not upend the structure of the largest youth sports competition in the world because an unscrupulous NWLL coach wanted a free trip to rural Connecticut?

No, we should upend it because it violates DC law.

[Anonymous]

Funny, DC Mayor's show up every year to LL Opening Day. Wonder why, if it's illegal?

Try to keep up, topic is cheating and cleaning up NWLL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is willing to say anything - everyone knows.
And it is a fantastic message to teach our kids.
Yeah - everyone knows _________ does not live here or go to school here - but we want to win.

Unfortunately a lot of these parents (ahem…dads) have a lot of power and can screw your kid over for years to come, if you cross them. Most have a strong foothold in the local travel team scene as well. Sad as that may be. So- people keep quiet.

Yup. Those dads are the worst @assho1es out there. People who were supposedly our friends screwed over our boys. Though, I did call them out. Went through a lot of teams, and only one coach was not a raging egomaniac ready to eff their kid’s friends.

+1

Learned our lesson with our first son. All the problems resolved when we put him on a team with paid non-parent coaching.

Moved son #2 to a team with paid non- parent coaching as soon as possible.

Difficult to find those teams before 12-13U however.

[Anonymous]

Karma, after playing favorites and mistreating children, is watching one of your kids pitching away the lead on ESPN and then taking over to coach your other kid and not getting out of the DC playoffs with a team filled with future college baseball players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Y-A-W-N.

Your comment was sufficiently rebutted when you posted it to the Washington Post earlier.

Little League is a neighborhood game, where kids living in the same neighborhoods or who may be classmates can play in an organized league. It does not discriminate on the basis of race, is not a follow-on to Jim Crow, and your attempts at turning this into a racial issue are shameful.

There are plenty of things one can take issue with regarding little league, but this isn't one of them.

Answer me this: why does Little League even have boundaries? No other youth sport does.

Relatedly, why did the DC Council feel it had to pass a law banning discrimination based on residential address? And prohibiting groups that discriminate from using city-owned facilities? It's all tied in.

[Anonymous]

Any word from DC little league? I think some families would like a statement before the start of the quickly approaching season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what's missing: Why does Little League even have eligibility boundaries in the first place? No other youth sport does.

It's a direct legacy of Jim Crow. Little League began when racial segregation in every aspect of American life was the norm. Neighborhood boundaries were a proxy for race when residential segregation was enforced by law.

DC Department of Parks and Recreation regulations prohibit the use of city-owned facilities by organizations that discriminate. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of residential address. DC should enforce its laws and put an end to this.

Didn’t realize this. This is a good point.

There's no reason DC couldn't have one Little League for the whole city. Let kids play for whatever team they want to.

Good news. DCPR offers baseball. You do you.
https://dpr.dc.gov/release/dpr-open-registration-spring-programs-tuesday-march-1

Is it run by the NWLL? The guy works for DCPR [not sure what capacity - but it does feel like there is a conflict there]

[Anonymous]

I have found coach Davenport-Thomas to be honorable in all my dealings with him. Both my kids played NWLL and he was, if anything, willing to take kids on his team that other coaches didn't want. He is also super patient with entitled parents making unreasonable requests. It is a shame some people are so quick to assume he cheated.

Sincerely,
Norman Sanin