APS Engage Update Pre-CIP Report

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Anonymous wrote:You will like Williamsburg though. Great school.

I've heard nothing good about it. No thanks.

I haven’t heard anything good about Swanson lately though.

I'm pp and we're zoned for Hamm

I saw that. It was disappointing how many kids right by Taylor/hamm will now be moved to Williamsburg.

And it was the Taylor families who fought so hard to reopen Stratford as the new middle school, now Dorothy Hamm. Only a very small section of Taylor families along Langston Blvd will remain at Dorothy Hamm.

Also with the draft boundaries, the middle schools will become even more segregated with Williamsburg becoming more wealthy and white. Lower income students will be further concentrated in all the other middle schools. I realize demographics will not factor into any of these boundary changes, but the proposed boundaries run counter to the diversity the Arlington community claims to value.

Every boundary process during the 18 years I've been an APS parent has "run counter to the diversity the Arlington community claims to value." Where have you been?!

I can't with these arguments that people trot out when it's convenient for them. School segregation is due to housing and zoning policies. If you fought Missing Middle and many of you did, you are a hypocrite if now you're acting like you give a crap whether your school is wealthy and white. Busing kids to create the perfect diverse school and not having neighborhood schools doesn't work for a lot of reasons. It's not what anyone wants, including the communities you are "helping" if you bother to ask any people in these communities. Lots of research out there on this.

If you actually care about these things and not just when it's going to affect where you go to school as a talking point to scold other people, get involved in County zoning and housing issues.

Missing middle does zero for diversity. Plan Langston Blvd and any housing policies with the goal of producing affordable units are what would change the makeup of neighborhood schools. Do I think the Missing Middle opponents would support that? Of course not. But stop acting like Missing Middle was about socioeconomically diverse neighborhoods. You have lost all credibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh when APS is done using Nottingham has a seinf school they can sell it and the county can build a affordable housing complex!

Wow I can't type. Seinf= swing school
Has=as.

I know you’re being sarcastic but the affordable housing complexes are being built on land already owned by AH entities or nonprofits. AH developers can’t afford to buy land in Arlington any more than APS. Many people seem very confused by this reality. I’m beyond frustrated with APS, but this kind of rhetoric doesn’t add anything to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

I love living in Arlington. But this is my biggest concern about staying here. My kids are young and already it’s clear we did not plan for the growth in the south and we are not planning for future growth. Seems like we are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic now because there’s no place to build new schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

To be fair, none of the people who made that decision are still around. The entire board and superintendent have changed over since then, so this proposal seems to be cleaning up the mess of people who made dumb decisions before.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

To be fair, none of the people who made that decision are still around. The entire board and superintendent have changed over since then, so this proposal seems to be cleaning up the mess of people who made dumb decisions before.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

Right, but when has APS gotten it right? Discovery? Hamm? I can’t figure out where they made a correct guess. It’s not about making people happy. It’s about competence to get the community’s buy in. No one believes what they say anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

Then why did they include building a new south Arlington elementary as one of the 16 options they considered for a swing space (not being snarky, truly curious). Like- that’s either an option or it’s not, but their presentation said it was — just the most expensive option

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

Right, but when has APS gotten it right? Discovery? Hamm? I can’t figure out where they made a correct guess. It’s not about making people happy. It’s about competence to get the community’s buy in. No one believes what they say anymore.

Actually having watched this for years, it seems to me that APS comes up with decent solutions, then the community screams and yells, so they shelve the good solution and do something far worse that makes no sense long term. This is how we got where we are.

[Anonymous]

APS is just ACPS with fewer poor kids. The quality of leadership is every bit as bad.