APS Engage Update Pre-CIP Report

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

Whatever. The Heights should have been an ELEMENTARY school, it would have supported about as much green space as other elementary schools with 400 students. A 1000 student middle school, that’s ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

Whatever. The Heights should have been an ELEMENTARY school, it would have supported about as much green space as other elementary schools with 400 students. A 1000 student middle school, that’s ridiculous.

Ok well enjoy your bus ride to the Williamsburg cave.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

Whatever. The Heights should have been an ELEMENTARY school, it would have supported about as much green space as other elementary schools with 400 students. A 1000 student middle school, that’s ridiculous.

Ok well enjoy your bus ride to the Williamsburg cave.

Sure? It’s got amazing fields and it’s a fast zip up military road? Can you imagine the bus ride from Taylor hoods to ROSSLYN at rush hour?? We would be saying GONDALA now, Langston is a parking lot every morning.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

Whatever. The Heights should have been an ELEMENTARY school, it would have supported about as much green space as other elementary schools with 400 students. A 1000 student middle school, that’s ridiculous.

Yeah, just what we need....another under-capacity elementary school in north Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

Right, but when has APS gotten it right? Discovery? Hamm? I can’t figure out where they made a correct guess. It’s not about making people happy. It’s about competence to get the community’s buy in. No one believes what they say anymore.

Actually having watched this for years, it seems to me that APS comes up with decent solutions, then the community screams and yells, so they shelve the good solution and do something far worse that makes no sense long term. This is how we got where we are.

EXACTLY!!

[Anonymous]

Agree. These are all rational ideas and shouldn’t surprise anyone who’s been paying attention. I hope they follow through.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

I love living in Arlington. But this is my biggest concern about staying here. My kids are young and already it’s clear we did not plan for the growth in the south and we are not planning for future growth. Seems like we are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic now because there’s no place to build new schools.

As a parent of a middle school and high school student, I’d say that these concerns have been front and center since we’ve been in the system. It’s mostly wasted energy and angst, in retrospect. My experience has been that school location and assignments etc. tend to work out well enough, even if you’re unlucky enough to be in a cohort that is forced to transition to a different school at some point (been there, done that). All if this distracts from the issue you should be worrying about, and that is the curriculum and the education your child is getting. Focus on what they’re learning or not learning; worry less about where they’ll be doing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

I love living in Arlington. But this is my biggest concern about staying here. My kids are young and already it’s clear we did not plan for the growth in the south and we are not planning for future growth. Seems like we are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic now because there’s no place to build new schools.

As a parent of a middle school and high school student, I’d say that these concerns have been front and center since we’ve been in the system. It’s mostly wasted energy and angst, in retrospect. My experience has been that school location and assignments etc. tend to work out well enough, even if you’re unlucky enough to be in a cohort that is forced to transition to a different school at some point (been there, done that). All if this distracts from the issue you should be worrying about, and that is the curriculum and the education your child is getting. Focus on what they’re learning or not learning; worry less about where they’ll be doing it.

PP. I’m concerned about the overcrowding in the middle school
And high schools and how much worse it’s going to get. And there’s no good relief for south Arlington elementaries. Career center will be a band aid for the high school crunch.

Not worried about moving schools. Worried about not having enough seats in schools with all the growth the county is planning for.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

I love living in Arlington. But this is my biggest concern about staying here. My kids are young and already it’s clear we did not plan for the growth in the south and we are not planning for future growth. Seems like we are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic now because there’s no place to build new schools.

As a parent of a middle school and high school student, I’d say that these concerns have been front and center since we’ve been in the system. It’s mostly wasted energy and angst, in retrospect. My experience has been that school location and assignments etc. tend to work out well enough, even if you’re unlucky enough to be in a cohort that is forced to transition to a different school at some point (been there, done that). All if this distracts from the issue you should be worrying about, and that is the curriculum and the education your child is getting. Focus on what they’re learning or not learning; worry less about where they’ll be doing it.

PP. I’m concerned about the overcrowding in the middle school
And high schools and how much worse it’s going to get. And there’s no good relief for south Arlington elementaries. Career center will be a band aid for the high school crunch.

Not worried about moving schools. Worried about not having enough seats in schools with all the growth the county is planning for.

Nah, high school is easy. They will just add more seats to WL with rented office space and the buck property. Maybe some night courses and virtual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

The growth in the south was planned - pellmell by the county board. Even when the streetcar got killed, the CB went ahead. Even when CB quietly told SB it would not support another era of school-building, CB went forward with Pike-and-south population growth. But I do admit APS has done things that made this worse like caving to Westover to build Cardinal - anyone here at the time will remember how much of a shock that was to everyone else outside of Cardinal community. That should have been a new South ES, which has been called for since the South Arlington Working Group.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

I love living in Arlington. But this is my biggest concern about staying here. My kids are young and already it’s clear we did not plan for the growth in the south and we are not planning for future growth. Seems like we are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic now because there’s no place to build new schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

I love living in Arlington. But this is my biggest concern about staying here. My kids are young and already it’s clear we did not plan for the growth in the south and we are not planning for future growth. Seems like we are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic now because there’s no place to build new schools.

As a parent of a middle school and high school student, I’d say that these concerns have been front and center since we’ve been in the system. It’s mostly wasted energy and angst, in retrospect. My experience has been that school location and assignments etc. tend to work out well enough, even if you’re unlucky enough to be in a cohort that is forced to transition to a different school at some point (been there, done that). All if this distracts from the issue you should be worrying about, and that is the curriculum and the education your child is getting. Focus on what they’re learning or not learning; worry less about where they’ll be doing it.

PP. I’m concerned about the overcrowding in the middle school
And high schools and how much worse it’s going to get. And there’s no good relief for south Arlington elementaries. Career center will be a band aid for the high school crunch.

Not worried about moving schools. Worried about not having enough seats in schools with all the growth the county is planning for.

Nah, high school is easy. They will just add more seats to WL with rented office space and the buck property. Maybe some night courses and virtual.

Which Buck property? I thought the Buck Property that could be used by APS was in the Wakefield zone. Is there another one? I’m curious! I agree about the leased office space, night school, and virtual options. I think these are the solutions APS will use.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

I’m sure I’ll be sorry I asked, but what is wrong with Rosslyn? The new HB site is beautiful. That could have been a brand new neighborhood school in a community surrounded by multi family housing and around the corner from a metro stop (ideally it would be walkable for most but I think siting schools near public transit makes sense in our community).

If APS really caved to the parents, shame on them. I hope they repurpose that brand new school in the heart of Rosslyn as a true community resource. What a waste.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

But it’s not APS’s job to make every last parent happy. Someone needs to make the hard decisions. HB Woodlawn was a mistake and APS was the decision-maker.

Right, but when has APS gotten it right? Discovery? Hamm? I can’t figure out where they made a correct guess. It’s not about making people happy. It’s about competence to get the community’s buy in. No one believes what they say anymore.

Actually having watched this for years, it seems to me that APS comes up with decent solutions, then the community screams and yells, so they shelve the good solution and do something far worse that makes no sense long term. This is how we got where we are.

If Duran can plow through the whiners and make a logical solution happen, I will reevaluate my current negative opinion of him.

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

I’m sure I’ll be sorry I asked, but what is wrong with Rosslyn? The new HB site is beautiful. That could have been a brand new neighborhood school in a community surrounded by multi family housing and around the corner from a metro stop (ideally it would be walkable for most but I think siting schools near public transit makes sense in our community).

If APS really caved to the parents, shame on them. I hope they repurpose that brand new school in the heart of Rosslyn as a true community resource. What a waste.

Yes HB Heights is amazing. That is NOT what the neighborhood school would have gotten. They were planning to include 300 more students for a 1000 student neighborhood school on the same plot. The airy spacious building would this be turned into a warehouse, with kids bussed from 3 miles away in rush hour Rosslyn traffic.

I actually live in Rosslyn in one of the high rises (my kids are in high school now), and there are very few kids in any of the multi family housing in Rosslyn, at least middle school or high school age. So majority of a Rosslyn middle school would come from near Stratford sight!

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Anonymous wrote:Build new facilities in South Arlington, where the county needs them, already!

Stop messing around with boundaries and whatnot to try to alleviate crowding in the south by moving kids north. Please.

And I live in North Arlington.

They can’t. APS has stated In published reports that they are beyond the point of building their way out of the capacity crisis. They have to work with the facilities that they have. Even if they had the capital, it takes 10 years to bring a new school online. I would expect boundary changes, relocatable classrooms, and potentially leased office space for schools in the future. They can’t build anything new. It’s not even worth discussing.

It really defies all logic to say Arlington county cannot fix this. Sure different entities within Arlington county own different parcels of land, but come on. It is all one county government.

The overcrowding has been an issue for more than a decade. Poor planning then, and continued poor planning now, makes the problem worse. Leasing space for schools is a good idea though. It would be quicker than building a new school.

I agree that that they have been terrible planners. The money spent on HB Woodlawn- a school in Rosslyn surrounded by current and projected affordable housing units- blows my mind. Those kids aren’t in the walk zone for anywhere and we could have had some type of neighborhood school there rather than a fancy option school for rich people. But I do take APS at face when they say they aren’t building more schools. I think they are going to try and be creative with existing schools and possibly leading vacant office space. G_d help us.

Do you not know the history? APS wanted to put a neighborhood school there. But the neighborhood around the now Hamm complained and lobbied very loudly, so APS caved, and they kicked HB to Rosslyn and put Hamm on HB's old site.

I remember this. The neighborhood around the then HB wanted the site, said their snowflakes couldn't go to school in Rosslyn, so they killed the plan to build a ms in Rosslyn. And we got Hamm.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people in that neighborhood who now may have to take a bus to Williamsburg to balance capacity. They caused this situation!

I’m sure I’ll be sorry I asked, but what is wrong with Rosslyn? The new HB site is beautiful. That could have been a brand new neighborhood school in a community surrounded by multi family housing and around the corner from a metro stop (ideally it would be walkable for most but I think siting schools near public transit makes sense in our community).

If APS really caved to the parents, shame on them. I hope they repurpose that brand new school in the heart of Rosslyn as a true community resource. What a waste.

Yes HB Heights is amazing. That is NOT what the neighborhood school would have gotten. They were planning to include 300 more students for a 1000 student neighborhood school on the same plot. The airy spacious building would this be turned into a warehouse, with kids bussed from 3 miles away in rush hour Rosslyn traffic.

I actually live in Rosslyn in one of the high rises (my kids are in high school now), and there are very few kids in any of the multi family housing in Rosslyn, at least middle school or high school age. So majority of a Rosslyn middle school would come from near Stratford sight!

Ah, ok, I was thinking of a neighborhood elementary school. I’ve seen reports where they will need elementary seats in Rosslyn. I can understand why a middle school wouldn’t go there.