Meeting new people and wish there was a MAGA or J6 code word

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Actually, we MAGAS can see ya’ll coming a mile away so won’t engage.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, we MAGAS can see ya’ll coming a mile away so won’t engage.

That is true around my middle class community. Very few Trumpers actually have the guts to put out a sign around me but when the stats come out after election day, there they are. They were sulking around in the shadows in secret shame.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

What a distorted view of the world and politics. I feel sorry for you.

You shouldn’t. Her kids will play your kids like a fiddle when they grow up, with their head in the clouds tolerance worldview. Her kids will know things like they are and will advance without lalaland ideas

After being…. Homeschooled. By that person. I don’t think so.

They might not know when pride month is but they will know their maths and grammar

That’s shameful because there is a very rich civil rights history in our nation that you’ve decided to call home, and that history includes the civil rights movement for the LGBTQ community. That you choose to ignore that history tells me you’re doing a crappy job.

But it’s also stupid. Who doesn’t know when pride month is? Do you live under a rock?

Oh, wait….. got it. Never mind.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

Right on!!! Thank you for sharing this. I appreciate your perspective. Ignore the trolls. You seem like a mature, reasonable, intelligent person doing the best for their kids that someone can have a civil conversation with. Can't say that for most of the natives posting here.

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Anonymous wrote:I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

Except when you bring up maga rep. George Santos. Gets real quiet then.

Truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

They're probably afraid that you'll resume talking about politics nonstop if they stop talking about any other topic.

No, I actually rarely talk about politics in person. And I don't really understand your point.

But the right wing conservatives in my life just can't or won't stop talking politics. I think they consume a lot more political news media than the rest of us, and are usually angry.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

They have reproductive rights to offer, modern healthcare for women at the highest standard. They offer respect for women that choose to carry a pregnancy and respect to those that make a different choice. They offer respect for votes instead of throwing them in the garbage. They have plenty to offer.

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Anonymous wrote:I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

They're probably afraid that you'll resume talking about politics nonstop if they stop talking about any other topic.

No, I actually rarely talk about politics in person. And I don't really understand your point.

But the right wing conservatives in my life just can't or won't stop talking politics. I think they consume a lot more political news media than the rest of us, and are usually angry.

They’re scared and angry. Their amygdalae are literally larger. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conservative-and-liberal-brains-might-have-some-real-differences/

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Anonymous wrote:I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

They're probably afraid that you'll resume talking about politics nonstop if they stop talking about any other topic.

No, I actually rarely talk about politics in person. And I don't really understand your point.

But the right wing conservatives in my life just can't or won't stop talking politics. I think they consume a lot more political news media than the rest of us, and are usually angry.

You've described the liberals perfectly. Especially those under 35. I'm not particularly conservative, but I'm sick to my eyeballs of hearing partisan politics discussed every day at work.

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Anonymous wrote:There is actually very little coming from the left to do anything like legislate "wokeness." It's mostly individual choices and individual politics. The government was not involved in Dylan Mulvaney and Budweiser.

And the right wing loves to go on about the "woke military" as if the entire military has been completely subverted and is now wasting all of its time on wokeness when in fact all they had since January 2021 was a few minutes to look at a powerpoint on DEI.

They offer the ideas, the party line if you please, and then companies are happy to act along these lines because they think it’s good for business.
Self sensorship and all that.
Worked with federal covid rules too - some states went even further than the official party line, it was insane.
In our school district, the sup was the last one to stop mandating masks at school - all the neighboring districts made them recommended but he wouldn’t cave until parents brought in what was characterized as a maga mob who filmed a preschool kid being denied education due to mask refusal (she was special needs and couldn’t be assessed because she wouldn’t wear a mask). The county board of education didn’t like that publicity and basically told him to cave. Lots of indignation ensued but it was the only way to make him snap out of it, unfortunately. Things like that make me want to vote GOP tbh.

Your maga political heroes were first in line to get the covid vax.

I don’t care about who gets the vaccine, I got one too, but don’t force me. Also I am not maga (but to you anyone who isn’t a progressive liberal dem is maga, I get it).

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

What a distorted view of the world and politics. I feel sorry for you.

You shouldn’t. Her kids will play your kids like a fiddle when they grow up, with their head in the clouds tolerance worldview. Her kids will know things like they are and will advance without lalaland ideas

After being…. Homeschooled. By that person. I don’t think so.

They might not know when pride month is but they will know their maths and grammar

We don't say "maths" in the US.

Tolerance at its finest, I see!

Tolerance? You missed the point. If you're going to teach your kid English grammar for a life in the United States, you should be teaching them American English.

I am not the PP who homeschools. My kid has public school grammar lol

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

I can't imagine choosing to move to a new country and then deciding I hate half of them.

Hate is too strong a word.
But eye roll worthy are many

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

Ok. Sure. In your ridiculous little fantasy, your progressive son and his progressive pregnant girlfriend are either going to go to a different state to get an abortion or the pregnancy will have no issues or complications or difficulties and she will carry the pregnancy and deliver in some anti women's healthcare maga state and give maga grandma the baby.

It’s YOUR fantasy. What I am saying is that luckily the US has states to fit all kinds of people and situations. Sucks to be a poor woman in a deep red state but otherwise it’s not that terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Just like in the early days of the Soviet Union by the way

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

So far, we still hold elections, count the votes and elect our representatives. You magaman lost last time around and has done nothing to gain a single vote but if you want to follow him to more losses, go ahead. That is your right

Well your attitude did push people to Trump in 2016. And it's your problem not mine and pretty revealing that you see everyone who is not 100% with you as MAGA. I've said nothing about my beliefs or who I vote for.

But hey you do you and keep browbeating, alienating, and insulting people, and I'll work towards winning voters to my points of view by finding common areas of agreement, working from there, and trying to persuade them based on what matters to them while being respectful. In the long run, folks on either side who choose my approach will be more successful.

Maybe you don't realize that this thread is specifically about maga and J6 supporters. It is literally in the title of the thread. If you don't want to talk about that, no problem, but this might be the wrong thread for that discussion.

DP but there has been a subtopic about people who are “not political”. Try to keep up