Meeting new people and wish there was a MAGA or J6 code word

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I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

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Anonymous wrote:I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

Except when you bring up maga rep. George Santos. Gets real quiet then.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

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Anonymous wrote:I find that usually MAGA or J6 supporters tend to run their mouths nonstop, so it's easy to tell within the first few meetings what they are.

They're probably afraid that you'll resume talking about politics nonstop if they stop talking about any other topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

Whoops my bad....pro choice but fine with insurrections. Ok. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

Whoops my bad....pro choice but fine with insurrections. Ok. Got it.

Not sure what you are referring to here…

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Except when you bring up maga rep. George Santos. Gets real quiet then.

LOL, are you serious? We all wish it were that easy! When you bring up Republican malfeasance, without fail they start bleating about the Biden crime family, lyin' Adam Schiff, and Hillary's emails.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

Whoops my bad....pro choice but fine with insurrections. Ok. Got it.

Not sure what you are referring to here…

"You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion"

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

Whoops my bad....pro choice but fine with insurrections. Ok. Got it.

Not sure what you are referring to here…

"You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion"

Because it was implied you have to be prolife to be MAGA. You don’t. By extension the implication that being pro-life makes you a Trump supporter who supports J6. It doesn’t. Although MAGA people are more likely to be pro-life, they are independent positions. Heck, Trump himself has been all over the place on abortion and IMHO is insincere about any expressed prolife beliefs (and most other things…).

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

Whoops my bad....pro choice but fine with insurrections. Ok. Got it.

Not sure what you are referring to here…

"You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion"

Because it was implied you have to be prolife to be MAGA. You don’t. By extension the implication that being pro-life makes you a Trump supporter who supports J6. It doesn’t. Although MAGA people are more likely to be pro-life, they are independent positions. Heck, Trump himself has been all over the place on abortion and IMHO is insincere about any expressed prolife beliefs (and most other things…).

Hence all those pro choice folks that are cool with J6. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

What a distorted view of the world and politics. I feel sorry for you.

You shouldn’t. Her kids will play your kids like a fiddle when they grow up, with their head in the clouds tolerance worldview. Her kids will know things like they are and will advance without lalaland ideas

After being…. Homeschooled. By that person. I don’t think so.

They might not know when pride month is but they will know their maths and grammar

We don't say "maths" in the US.

Tolerance at its finest, I see!

Tolerance? You missed the point. If you're going to teach your kid English grammar for a life in the United States, you should be teaching them American English.

Why? They can teach them any language they want to, including British English.

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Anonymous wrote:I have found (and this goes further back than Trump - all the way the Reagan) that when anyone has ever told me they were not political, it turned out they voted very conservatively and didn’t care about social issues just taxes. Most have come around, but most voted for Trump the first time. All basically voted for lower taxes and did not care about the rest.

So, if anyone says, “I’m not political”, it could be a sign.

Interesting, I’ve found it true about people who aren’t born Americans, who just want to live life and pay as little tax as possible and invest in their kids’ well being. So yes they aren’t political I guess. They also don’t support progressive causes though

You’re probably the only person on this board who knows actual immigrants. I’m a first-generation immigrant and I didn’t come here because of culture wars. I don’t share the “progressive” vision, I don’t share the “conservative” vision.

I want to be left alone by both progressives and conservatives to live a quiet life in a country that’s not at war. Right now, I vote Republican because I want as much of my money left in my pocket as possible so I can take care of my children to MY satisfaction. The whole idea that the government gets to take more and more of my money in order to fund inefficient social programs falls on deaf ears with me and most immigrants. We see how the American government has “helped” African Americans. No, thanks.

Also, I don’t trust Democrats’ hostility to homeschooling and their need to centralize all education in order to control the next generation. When it was clear to me that American schools were going to completely fail in the pandemic under the leadership of complete idiots like Randi Weingarten, I pulled my children and homeschooled them, and they’re far ahead of even their wealthy peers now. It was hard, and took a toll on my health, but where I come from, you sacrifice everything for your children and you make no excuses.

I don’t want some arrogant ideologues telling me how to raise my children. I couldn’t care less about my children learning about diversity in school because I will teach them about my culture and proud history. I don’t want my children learning about other people’s sexualities and proclivities. I’m not raising them to be sexually profligate or to live life as libertines. I don’t want men performing sex acts in the name of pride to be normalized to them know I do I want men living as parodies of women to be normalized. I don’t care at all about what Democrats consider to be “acceptance”. Tolerance is all I offer. I won’t say a word about people who I think are living immoral and disgusting lives. I’ll be polite, but I’m absolutely not going to accept them in my heart as normal or teach my children to be like them. School should stick to the basics and stop trying to sneak subjective values on kids.

As long as there’s an exception for the health/life of the mom (as documented by doctors, not self-serving claims), rape, and incest, I don’t care if abortion is completely banned in other situations. I don’t sympathize with those who voluntarily spread their legs and then want to play victim. As women, we know the burden of childbearing falls on us. Choose wisely and live with your decisions.

The Democrats agenda about guns is very stupid. I grew up with guns, as did everyone in my home country, yet school shootings are unheard of in my home country. It’s not the guns. It’s the cultural rot that’s making people here shoot random strangers. There’s a crisis of mental health and horrible values in this country, and Democrats are only accelerating the degradation of this once proud society by distributing hormones and psychotropics on demand to confused youths. Giving up guns so only criminal minded, deranged Americans have guns is crazy.

Democratic are going to see that most immigrants do not support them and are not going to support them. Just because we’re not white doesn’t mean we’re going to be fooled by some white person with a greasy smile who claims to be our ally protecting us from racism, but is actually seeking radical control of us and to use us as foot soldiers in culture wars. Those lies work on African Americans, but everyone else is waking up. As the country becomes more immigrant, Republicans will win more and more until Democrats drop the sneaky agenda.

PP you are replying to; I am first Gen myself.
I think the whole abortion debate is stupid (of course it should be pro choice like any civilized country). I also think all this trans and lgbtq nonsense is stupid (of course they should have rights like all of us but it shouldn’t be a constant celebration or forgetting biology altogether).
I am not into politics because I think both sides have lost their minds. I will vote for Dems in the federal because I am a low earner, and I will support the most conservative candidate to be realistically elected at the local level because I am in the blue state and we should balance out the crazies with their progressive ideas but that’s too complicated to explain to a layperson so I just stick to the “I am not political” trope

But this country is not pro choice. So the threat to women is very real and very not stupid. Recent immigrants may not realize how severely women's rights have been crushed by the backwards conservatives. They have taken rights away that were in place for 50 years. Don't be ignorant.

Ok fine but what do you suggest? The whole existence of the pro life idea is super backwards. But Dems have so many crazy ideas as well, and honestly some of them are more dangerous for my family than abortion ban. If my son gets a girl pregnant she can either go to a sanctuary state for an abortion or give me the child, whatever she prefers. I am willing to help her with either option. I can’t get outraged on behalf of some woman I don’t know. However the ideas of endless masking or mandatory covid shots for young people hit close to home. The idea of letting the crazy homeless run amok is also something that has direct influence on my life. See what I am getting at?

Good luck finding a young female that will go anywhere your maga son. Gen z voters are not ignorant they have no intention of supporting policies that turn the clock backwards on their rights.

He isn’t maga you doofus, he is a kid. I am talking about MY voting preferences. See, this is the thing. You can’t see nuance (that I am pro choice but it’s not top of my list), and you get so enraged that someone dares to disagree with you that you resort to personal insults.
That’s why we, the immigrants, don’t like your kind

This whole thread is exhibit A for the original post in this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1139786.page. Disagree with the left party line on anything, and there's no nuance, no attempt to understand, and no attempt to persuade. It's your either with us or MAGA and against us and personal insults.

Awwwww. Your screwing over our daughters and trying to steal elections and you don't like any pushback. Too bad.

Ok cool let me know how that works out for you. Last time I checked, people don't tend to vote for ideological extremists stuck in their own echo chambers comforted by their feelings of superiority who have nothing to offer them but condescension, bullying, and insults. And they don't tend to change their minds.

DP... so you think it's somehow "ideologically extreme" to protect your daughter's rights and health decisions, and it's "ideologically extreme" to be opposed to stealing elections?

Don't be obtuse, follow the conversation that these replies were in response to, and get rid of the straw men. People can have different ideas on what protecting their daughter's rights and health decisions means. There are posters here who mentioned they are pro-choice, but opposed to gender transition surgeries for minors. And there's nothing I said or the original immigrant poster said that implies in anyway, I or they support stealing elections. You are only proving my point.

Ummmmm. Do you know what maga means and where it comes from? These are trumps loyal supporters in all their forced-birther, insurrectionist glory. I think you are in the wrong thread.

Nope, there’s multiple conversations/tangents in this post diverging from the original intent. Including ascribing MAGA to anyone who’s not 100% on board with the latest on the left. Try to keep up.

And yes I know what MAGA means but that’s not it. You can be pro-life and not support Trump or J6 and be “any Republican but Trump/Trump lover.” You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion.

Whoops my bad....pro choice but fine with insurrections. Ok. Got it.

Not sure what you are referring to here…

"You can support Trump or J6 and support abortion"

Because it was implied you have to be prolife to be MAGA. You don’t. By extension the implication that being pro-life makes you a Trump supporter who supports J6. It doesn’t. Although MAGA people are more likely to be pro-life, they are independent positions. Heck, Trump himself has been all over the place on abortion and IMHO is insincere about any expressed prolife beliefs (and most other things…).

Trump himself does not give a crap about abortion. He used the issue to get pro-life votes. Then he actually participated in overturning roe and ruined the rights chances of winning a national election for a long time. Irony.