Big 3 Nightmare

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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.





What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


I am sorry that your niece is unhappy. That stinks. Is she really top 15 kids (20%)? Because you are correct, those results would be out of sync with other local privates. Kids with those stats at my kid’s HS are generally into top 20, or at least top 40 with options like UVA and UNC.


THe PP made these facts up---absolutely no way a kid from Sidwell (or the like) in top 20% with those stats would not get into most schools ranked 50-200. Step outside the top50 and they would be getting into most places. I call BS


It's fiction. My kid goes to a public high school in the Midwest, has a 3.0 GPA and 1520 SAT. They got into a bunch of schools in the 50-100 range. This kid would get into everything in that range and probably a bunch of schools in the 20-50 range as well.


Yes, my own kid had a 1200/3.5UW and got into 7 schools in the 50-100 and another 3 in the 100-140. They even got merit at almost all of those schools, and we were not even searching for merit.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t dismiss PP niece’s story and I certainly wouldn’t think of her approach as arrogant. It is no doubt no different that what students at these schools with her stats have been doing for years. Things have changed in the last few years and these high schools have not caught up in their thinking.

Moving to a rural town from a tony private school in NYC junior year has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in some time. do they think the colleges just don’t notice dalton on the transcript?


You don't understand. Colleges want to able to check boxes. Very few actually give a c**p about true diversity. A strong (previously-at-Dalton) kid now applying from rural Maine is only helping them out.


Wouldn’t it be simpler to just go to boarding school, then? The kid checks the same “rural Maine” box either way. And the parents can stay in Manhattan.


No it does not.


No hood boarding schools in Maine (New Hampshire does of course)
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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.







What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


She's going to a school ranked at 200? like the University of Detroit?

She took BC calc, physics C in 11th grade?

-and she's going to someplace like University of Detroit or Robert Morris University?

I'm sorry.


Oh FFS, there are plenty of good schools in the top 400!! There are 4,000 colleges and universities in the US!


Those are just examples of schools ranked near 200. the poster said her niece only had options ranked at 200. I just thought it extremely unbelievable that a kid would have no options between top 30 schools and the University of Detroit.



DP: It's not as if every kid is applying to every school on the list. You take a shot at a few top schools, and a sprinkling of schools in other ranges down the line, as she clearly did, and you hope someone bites. Those mid range schools didn't work out -- she wasn't rejected from all of the schools between 30 and 200 -- no one can apply to all of them and it isn't a forced rank system. It's all a gamble.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t dismiss PP niece’s story and I certainly wouldn’t think of her approach as arrogant. It is no doubt no different that what students at these schools with her stats have been doing for years. Things have changed in the last few years and these high schools have not caught up in their thinking.

Moving to a rural town from a tony private school in NYC junior year has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in some time. do they think the colleges just don’t notice dalton on the transcript?


You don't understand. Colleges want to able to check boxes. Very few actually give a c**p about true diversity. A strong (previously-at-Dalton) kid now applying from rural Maine is only helping them out.


Wouldn’t it be simpler to just go to boarding school, then? The kid checks the same “rural Maine” box either way. And the parents can stay in Manhattan.


No it does not.


No hood boarding schools in Maine (New Hampshire does of course)


Boarding school does not give you a “rural student” bump. Neither would going to the “best” public school in Portland Maine.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t dismiss PP niece’s story and I certainly wouldn’t think of her approach as arrogant. It is no doubt no different that what students at these schools with her stats have been doing for years. Things have changed in the last few years and these high schools have not caught up in their thinking.

Moving to a rural town from a tony private school in NYC junior year has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in some time. do they think the colleges just don’t notice dalton on the transcript?


You don't understand. Colleges want to able to check boxes. Very few actually give a c**p about true diversity. A strong (previously-at-Dalton) kid now applying from rural Maine is only helping them out.


Wouldn’t it be simpler to just go to boarding school, then? The kid checks the same “rural Maine” box either way. And the parents can stay in Manhattan.


No it does not.


No hood boarding schools in Maine (New Hampshire does of course)


Boarding school is $$$$$$
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I’d just like to say “well played” to whoever is running the HA IG account today. I tip my hat to you, and to all the graduates.
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Anonymous wrote:I’d just like to say “well played” to whoever is running the HA IG account today. I tip my hat to you, and to all the graduates.


I am not on insta - can you explain? Is it really good April Fools jokes, I hope.
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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.







What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


She's going to a school ranked at 200? like the University of Detroit?

She took BC calc, physics C in 11th grade?

-and she's going to someplace like University of Detroit or Robert Morris University?

I'm sorry.


Oh FFS, there are plenty of good schools in the top 400!! There are 4,000 colleges and universities in the US!


Those are just examples of schools ranked near 200. the poster said her niece only had options ranked at 200. I just thought it extremely unbelievable that a kid would have no options between top 30 schools and the University of Detroit.



DP: It's not as if every kid is applying to every school on the list. You take a shot at a few top schools, and a sprinkling of schools in other ranges down the line, as she clearly did, and you hope someone bites. Those mid range schools didn't work out -- she wasn't rejected from all of the schools between 30 and 200 -- no one can apply to all of them and it isn't a forced rank system. It's all a gamble.


The niece only applied to 2 outside the T30 it seems. That's the problem. You can't have only 2 "targets" and no safeties. In fact, we don't even know if those were true targets---Acceptance rates higher than 25%. Niece may have applied to all Reaches and that is where the issue is. You do that, you run the risk of disappointment come March. Kids need to learn to apply to 3-4 true targets and 3-4 true safeties/likelies. Not just 10-12 hard reaches.
5 years ago that was not a good idea, and it certainly is not a good idea now.

Those of us who have a balanced list for our kids tend to do better. My kid got into all their targets and safeties. Only got denied/WL/Go abroad freshman year at their 4 reaches and even then only outright denied at 1 school (WL/go abroad at the other 3). Nothing special, just a well curated list of true targets and safeties, including schools they would be thrilled to attend. SO much that my kid had their top safety on the final list of 3 schools and revisited them in April. Only ditched that school for real reasons---a 7 week quarter system that might not be the best environment for someone who is a chronic procrastinator. otherwise they were seriously considering turning down 2 T30 schools and going to their safety.
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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.





What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


I am sorry that your niece is unhappy. That stinks. Is she really top 15 kids (20%)? Because you are correct, those results would be out of sync with other local privates. Kids with those stats at my kid’s HS are generally into top 20, or at least top 40 with options like UVA and UNC.


THe PP made these facts up---absolutely no way a kid from Sidwell (or the like) in top 20% with those stats would not get into most schools ranked 50-200. Step outside the top50 and they would be getting into most places. I call BS


It's fiction. My kid goes to a public high school in the Midwest, has a 3.0 GPA and 1520 SAT. They got into a bunch of schools in the 50-100 range. This kid would get into everything in that range and probably a bunch of schools in the 20-50 range as well.


Yes, my own kid had a 1200/3.5UW and got into 7 schools in the 50-100 and another 3 in the 100-140. They even got merit at almost all of those schools, and we were not even searching for merit.


Us, too. DC got decent merit aid at all of the schools that accepted him. I was surprised and pleased.
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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.







What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


She's going to a school ranked at 200? like the University of Detroit?

She took BC calc, physics C in 11th grade?

-and she's going to someplace like University of Detroit or Robert Morris University?

I'm sorry.


Oh FFS, there are plenty of good schools in the top 400!! There are 4,000 colleges and universities in the US!


Those are just examples of schools ranked near 200. the poster said her niece only had options ranked at 200. I just thought it extremely unbelievable that a kid would have no options between top 30 schools and the University of Detroit.



DP: It's not as if every kid is applying to every school on the list. You take a shot at a few top schools, and a sprinkling of schools in other ranges down the line, as she clearly did, and you hope someone bites. Those mid range schools didn't work out -- she wasn't rejected from all of the schools between 30 and 200 -- no one can apply to all of them and it isn't a forced rank system. It's all a gamble.


The niece only applied to 2 outside the T30 it seems. That's the problem. You can't have only 2 "targets" and no safeties. In fact, we don't even know if those were true targets---Acceptance rates higher than 25%. Niece may have applied to all Reaches and that is where the issue is. You do that, you run the risk of disappointment come March. Kids need to learn to apply to 3-4 true targets and 3-4 true safeties/likelies. Not just 10-12 hard reaches.
5 years ago that was not a good idea, and it certainly is not a good idea now.

Those of us who have a balanced list for our kids tend to do better. My kid got into all their targets and safeties. Only got denied/WL/Go abroad freshman year at their 4 reaches and even then only outright denied at 1 school (WL/go abroad at the other 3). Nothing special, just a well curated list of true targets and safeties, including schools they would be thrilled to attend. SO much that my kid had their top safety on the final list of 3 schools and revisited them in April. Only ditched that school for real reasons---a 7 week quarter system that might not be the best environment for someone who is a chronic procrastinator. otherwise they were seriously considering turning down 2 T30 schools and going to their safety.



I'm the PP with a niece. If she wasn't so disappointed in her options, your confidence that I/we are trolls would be funny. Remember this is a thread about Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS. We are lamenting that these schools maybe aren't having the results that they expect. It sounds like the PPs calling me a liar don't have kids there.

Today I'm working with niece to write an I Love You letter to my alma mater where she was waitlisted. Here is her complete list and outcomes. The bolded are accepts, everything else is reject/wl. I also added USNWR rankings. Recall niece is top 20% of class, highest math-science, beautiful ECs, white non-VIP.

The original point of my post is that the results below don't resemble the sort of results a kid like this could expect a decade ago. My own kids did "better" coming from the same school a few years ago pre-pandemic.


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS:

UCSB (32). UCSD (34) . Wash U (15). Barnard (18th LAC). BU (41) Davidson (15th LAC) . UVA (25)


flagship state school (50s)

a private university (40s)

regional university (not even nationally ranked)

an LAC (30s of all LACs)

a private university (20s)

a private university (60s)




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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.







What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


She's going to a school ranked at 200? like the University of Detroit?

She took BC calc, physics C in 11th grade?

-and she's going to someplace like University of Detroit or Robert Morris University?

I'm sorry.


Oh FFS, there are plenty of good schools in the top 400!! There are 4,000 colleges and universities in the US!


Those are just examples of schools ranked near 200. the poster said her niece only had options ranked at 200. I just thought it extremely unbelievable that a kid would have no options between top 30 schools and the University of Detroit.



DP: It's not as if every kid is applying to every school on the list. You take a shot at a few top schools, and a sprinkling of schools in other ranges down the line, as she clearly did, and you hope someone bites. Those mid range schools didn't work out -- she wasn't rejected from all of the schools between 30 and 200 -- no one can apply to all of them and it isn't a forced rank system. It's all a gamble.


The niece only applied to 2 outside the T30 it seems. That's the problem. You can't have only 2 "targets" and no safeties. In fact, we don't even know if those were true targets---Acceptance rates higher than 25%. Niece may have applied to all Reaches and that is where the issue is. You do that, you run the risk of disappointment come March. Kids need to learn to apply to 3-4 true targets and 3-4 true safeties/likelies. Not just 10-12 hard reaches.
5 years ago that was not a good idea, and it certainly is not a good idea now.

Those of us who have a balanced list for our kids tend to do better. My kid got into all their targets and safeties. Only got denied/WL/Go abroad freshman year at their 4 reaches and even then only outright denied at 1 school (WL/go abroad at the other 3). Nothing special, just a well curated list of true targets and safeties, including schools they would be thrilled to attend. SO much that my kid had their top safety on the final list of 3 schools and revisited them in April. Only ditched that school for real reasons---a 7 week quarter system that might not be the best environment for someone who is a chronic procrastinator. otherwise they were seriously considering turning down 2 T30 schools and going to their safety.



I'm the PP with a niece. If she wasn't so disappointed in her options, your confidence that I/we are trolls would be funny. Remember this is a thread about Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS. We are lamenting that these schools maybe aren't having the results that they expect. It sounds like the PPs calling me a liar don't have kids there.

Today I'm working with niece to write an I Love You letter to my alma mater where she was waitlisted. Here is her complete list and outcomes. The bolded are accepts, everything else is reject/wl. I also added USNWR rankings. Recall niece is top 20% of class, highest math-science, beautiful ECs, white non-VIP.

The original point of my post is that the results below don't resemble the sort of results a kid like this could expect a decade ago. My own kids did "better" coming from the same school a few years ago pre-pandemic.


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS:

UCSB (32). UCSD (34) . Wash U (15). Barnard (18th LAC). BU (41) Davidson (15th LAC) . UVA (25)


flagship state school (50s)

a private university (40s)

regional university (not even nationally ranked)

an LAC (30s of all LACs)

a private university (20s)

a private university (60s)






** full pay, SAT submitted 1500.
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Anonymous wrote:It's been a very tough year for top students at Big 3 schools in DC. Whew. RD has offered no real relief..


Don’t think it’s a big “3”, but take a look at the Instagram page for the holton class of 2023… these kids are going to tons of highly selective schools. Some are athletes, some are legacies and some are just hard working smart kids who go to a rigorous school ( which dropped APs)…


How do you find these pages ? Do you mean the schools official Instagram or a student run one


It’s not hard to find them. I think HA is official? But anyway the PP is wrong, it’s less impressive than what the Sidwell and GDS accounts have posted: no HYPSM, and only one non-athlete to an Ivy (and they could be hooked). A lot of EDs to schools ranked 40+; even the elite ED choices are non-Ivy. A smart but humble college office, I think, but not exactly disproving the theory that smart unhooked students can no longer go from elite private high schools to elite private colleges.

(Also, while Holton has dropped APs it still gives a bump for “advanced” courses and calculates a weighted GPA, a practice derided by Big 3 boosters as “grade inflation” but which can be helpful at state schools like UGA.)


From the kids we know there and their results - I think the Holton list has looked solid in terms of match (expected results or better than expected). This has not been the case at our Big 3 so far. And Ivy admits in EA were parent VIP/legacy, so give no credit to the HS school for that (and no shade to Holton either).



Look back at the holton page around May1- there were a bunch of Ivy regular admits that are not yet on the page..
Anyway- Sidwell page looks pretty good!
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To be clear on the niece, she is a full pay white female with 1500 and a strong transcript with strong ECs? And her only acceptances are 30s ranked LAC and 40s ranked university?
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Anonymous wrote:To be clear on the niece, she is a full pay white female with 1500 and a strong transcript with strong ECs? And her only acceptances are 30s ranked LAC and 40s ranked university?


^ or rather those are her best acceptances?
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Anonymous wrote:Big 3 senior parent. Hearing many RD bloodbath stories. Like zeroed out on targets and certainly reaches. I’m counting WL as a zero.

Have heard 5 or 6 of these just since last night.

RD was a waste this year. ED I and ED II are the only way now for a high/high middle stats kid who is unhooked or only hook is legacy. Legacy alone days are done. Legacy kids need a double hook and ED.

RD is not just a lottery but powerball lottery odds

I’m sure many here will troll this post.







What kind of schools are you talking about? Where will these kids end up attending?

All these dramatic posts are useless without actual college examples. We don't know if you're talking about top 20% kids getting shut out of Ivies or getting shut out of every top 50 school they applied to. Or worse-getting shut out period. These posts could literally mean any of the above. I'm a Big3 parent of a 10tb grader and I'd love to know what is actually meant (with examples)


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS: UCSB. UCSD. Wash U. Barnard. BU. Davidson. UVA.

This is a young woman in the top 20% or so, highest math/science track, 1500 SAT and killer ECs. White. Not VIP.

They have 2 options in the USNWR ~200 range, and one of those scammy options where you get the name of the school on your diploma but never attend class at the main campus, because you're in Amsterdam or something for $100k a year


She's going to a school ranked at 200? like the University of Detroit?

She took BC calc, physics C in 11th grade?

-and she's going to someplace like University of Detroit or Robert Morris University?

I'm sorry.


Oh FFS, there are plenty of good schools in the top 400!! There are 4,000 colleges and universities in the US!


Those are just examples of schools ranked near 200. the poster said her niece only had options ranked at 200. I just thought it extremely unbelievable that a kid would have no options between top 30 schools and the University of Detroit.



DP: It's not as if every kid is applying to every school on the list. You take a shot at a few top schools, and a sprinkling of schools in other ranges down the line, as she clearly did, and you hope someone bites. Those mid range schools didn't work out -- she wasn't rejected from all of the schools between 30 and 200 -- no one can apply to all of them and it isn't a forced rank system. It's all a gamble.


The niece only applied to 2 outside the T30 it seems. That's the problem. You can't have only 2 "targets" and no safeties. In fact, we don't even know if those were true targets---Acceptance rates higher than 25%. Niece may have applied to all Reaches and that is where the issue is. You do that, you run the risk of disappointment come March. Kids need to learn to apply to 3-4 true targets and 3-4 true safeties/likelies. Not just 10-12 hard reaches.
5 years ago that was not a good idea, and it certainly is not a good idea now.

Those of us who have a balanced list for our kids tend to do better. My kid got into all their targets and safeties. Only got denied/WL/Go abroad freshman year at their 4 reaches and even then only outright denied at 1 school (WL/go abroad at the other 3). Nothing special, just a well curated list of true targets and safeties, including schools they would be thrilled to attend. SO much that my kid had their top safety on the final list of 3 schools and revisited them in April. Only ditched that school for real reasons---a 7 week quarter system that might not be the best environment for someone who is a chronic procrastinator. otherwise they were seriously considering turning down 2 T30 schools and going to their safety.



I'm the PP with a niece. If she wasn't so disappointed in her options, your confidence that I/we are trolls would be funny. Remember this is a thread about Sidwell, STA/NCS, GDS. We are lamenting that these schools maybe aren't having the results that they expect. It sounds like the PPs calling me a liar don't have kids there.

Today I'm working with niece to write an I Love You letter to my alma mater where she was waitlisted. Here is her complete list and outcomes. The bolded are accepts, everything else is reject/wl. I also added USNWR rankings. Recall niece is top 20% of class, highest math-science, beautiful ECs, white non-VIP.

The original point of my post is that the results below don't resemble the sort of results a kid like this could expect a decade ago. My own kids did "better" coming from the same school a few years ago pre-pandemic.


OK, I'll bite. Here are some of the schools that said "Nope!" to my niece who attends either Sidwell or NCS:

UCSB (32). UCSD (34) . Wash U (15). Barnard (18th LAC). BU (41) Davidson (15th LAC) . UVA (25)


flagship state school (50s)

a private university (40s)

regional university (not even nationally ranked)

an LAC (30s of all LACs)

a private university (20s)

a private university (60s)






Oh I believe you are not a troll.


So the rejections appears to all be "Reach" schools with acceptance rates in single digits or less than 20% (except the State flagship in 50s, might be a high target, depends upon the school. That makes them reaches for EVERYONE. It doesn't matter that she went to a Big 3, unless she has a major hook. Applying to multiple does not statistically increase your chances of acceptance. Majority of kids applying to these schools are "qualified" and would make excellent candidates, but there just is NOT space. So 80-95% are rejected. Yes, this is different than 10 years ago, but not that different and definately not very different than the last 2-3 years.

And she got in at her majority of her targets and the obvious Safety/likely (non ranked school). And one of her targets was Brandeis, CWRU, Northeastern or Tulane---any of those are excellent schools (I'm guessing Brandeis or CwRU since Tulane is difficult to get non-ED and NEU is just ridiculously low acceptance rates with almost 100K applications). She's also in at either WPI, Syracuse or GWU for the Private in the 60s. Once again, all excellent schools. She has 4 acceptances, two are in the T40-70 schools. Congratulations! Time to get excited about why you put those schools on your list in the first place

Welcome to the real world, where the T25 and really T50 schools are a crap shoot, and they are a crap shoot for EVERYONE that is not "hooked". Your niece has some excellent acceptances, she just needs to recall why she put those schools on her college list. Yes, those schools are not having the results they expected---you expected if you have high sat and gpa from an elite school it guarantees you admission to a T25 school and that's just not the case and hasn't been for years.


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