Jessa Duggar had an abortion

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.

Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?

No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.

You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.

They are human fetuses. Not whale fetuses, or mice fetuses, or giraffe fetuses, or dog fetuses. They are human fetuses.

You have zero idea at what I like and don’t like.

I think people who put words in someone else’s mouth are weak and ignorant, because you can’t speak for yourself and have to make up lies about other people.

It’s a fetus inside the body of an existing woman. It’s fun to watch you excuse her illegal abortion. You should be calling for her to be charged.

And I don’t have to make up words to put in your mouth. I have statistics. And statistically, forced birthers are Republicans and statistically forced birthers are for and against all those things I listed and statistically I’m right. Forced birthers want the medieval period back, women enslaved, no science. Go live your sad life however hypocritically you want but you keep trying to force the rest of us to live your backwards lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.

Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?

No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.

You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.

Whoa! Do the work of the Devil? Are you experiencing a mental health episode? Are you telling me “the DEVIL” is involved in abortion?

No, they’re quite clearly comparing withholding abortions/medical care from women is bad/evil/the work of the devil, while pretending to be good and doing god’s work. Not just doing god’s work, but speaking for god and saying you know God’s will. Where I grew up, that was called being a false prophet, if I remember correctly. I’m pretty sure that’s a big, bad sin.

Not that I want to base my government on evangelical Christian teachings, but if I were going to do that I’d probably go with the kindness and loving teachings of Jesus rather than the fire and brimstone god who smote people who made him angry. I’d say you do you, but unfortunately you’re trying to do it to everyone, so I’ll go with WWJD, and J would probably be pretty chill about this situation. He seems pro healthcare. Also, as a Jew, I don’t think he’d be opposed to abortions, especially first trimester or for medical reasons discovered later. He probably wouldn’t be as chill about using abortion as a wedge issue to try to keep schools segregated legally (look it up, that’s why evangelical churches got involved in the politics of abortions) and doing evil things like racism and causing women harm in his name.

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It’s fun to watch you excuse her illegal abortion. You should be calling for her to be charged.

She had a miscarriage. The fetus was not alive. Hence, it was not an abortion.

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It’s fun to watch you excuse her illegal abortion. You should be calling for her to be charged.

She had a miscarriage. The fetus was not alive. Hence, it was not an abortion.

Nothing she said indicated that the fetus was dead.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

What religion are you?

Christian.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

YOUR God's laws. Your God is not my god. If you want to prey to your god and heed her laws, as long as they conform to USA laws, then that is your business. But understand, there are people who are not Evangelicals or Catholics in this country who do not believe in YOUR god, so please stop telling the rest of us that we have to adhere to YOUR GOD's LAWS...that is the whole point of the USA, it is not a country founded on Christianity, but rather freedom of religion, or no religion at all. So please stop trying to impose the laws of YOUR GOD on to me. I don't impose my beliefs on to you, or anyone else.

Get it?

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.

Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?

No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.

You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.

They are human fetuses. Not whale fetuses, or mice fetuses, or giraffe fetuses, or dog fetuses. They are human fetuses.

You have zero idea at what I like and don’t like.

I think people who put words in someone else’s mouth are weak and ignorant, because you can’t speak for yourself and have to make up lies about other people.

They are not HUMAN without a SOUL. Why do you insist on putting creatures without a soul on the same level as those babies and humans who have been graced by our Savior?

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

And since you can never prove when your God gives a soul, you can believe whatever you want, but you don't have the right to tell me when I believe an unborn fetus has, or has not, a soul.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.

Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?

No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.

You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.

They are human fetuses. Not whale fetuses, or mice fetuses, or giraffe fetuses, or dog fetuses. They are human fetuses.

You have zero idea at what I like and don’t like.

I think people who put words in someone else’s mouth are weak and ignorant, because you can’t speak for yourself and have to make up lies about other people.

They are not HUMAN without a SOUL. Why do you insist on putting creatures without a soul on the same level as those babies and humans who have been graced by our Savior? [/quote

your "savior" is not my savior. I don't need a savior, so please save it for your bible study. Because fanatics like you will never reach people like me, we have a completely different belief system, so you do you and leave the rst of us alone.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.

Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?

No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.

You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.

They are human fetuses. Not whale fetuses, or mice fetuses, or giraffe fetuses, or dog fetuses. They are human fetuses.

You have zero idea at what I like and don’t like.

I think people who put words in someone else’s mouth are weak and ignorant, because you can’t speak for yourself and have to make up lies about other people.

They are not HUMAN without a SOUL. Why do you insist on putting creatures without a soul on the same level as those babies and humans who have been graced by our Savior?

I really hope you are just rolling now.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

YOUR God's laws. Your God is not my god. If you want to prey to your god and heed her laws, as long as they conform to USA laws, then that is your business. But understand, there are people who are not Evangelicals or Catholics in this country who do not believe in YOUR god, so please stop telling the rest of us that we have to adhere to YOUR GOD's LAWS...that is the whole point of the USA, it is not a country founded on Christianity, but rather freedom of religion, or no religion at all. So please stop trying to impose the laws of YOUR GOD on to me. I don't impose my beliefs on to you, or anyone else.

Get it?

I'm not sure who you're arguing with. If it's me, please know that there cannot be any moral problem with abortions of fetuses before they have a soul. And without a moral problem, there shouldn't be any legal prohibitions. About 99% of abortions happen before quickening. So, we might disagree with the rare situation, if it arose, where the pregnancy is far enough along for the fetus to have a soul, pose no threat to the health of the mother, and the mother still seeks to abort the child.

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The left seems to have religious nutjobs also.

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Anonymous wrote:The left seems to have religious nutjobs also.

Nothing to do but exclude superstitious beliefs about the sanctity of fetal life from government lawmaking entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:The left seems to have religious nutjobs also.

Please show us the left wing nutjobs who are trying to impose their religious beliefs on to you.