Black Conservatives

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

That's an excellent point and sounds very true in my experience too -- it's not the wealthiest Latinos who move and settle here, those are happy back home. It's for the most part the ones who "didn’t have a pot to piss in back home."

And yet, while often not even speaking English coming here ... we do well in 1-2 generations through family, education and hard work.

I salute you, PP.

Precisely. It’s funny when African Americans point out all the ways in which black and brown are at the bottom in America and then think rich blacks from other countries are going to sign up for that. I guess it’s easier on the ego to pretend every successful black immigrant came here as a black prince a la “Coming to America.” Admitting we worked our asses off and made it through the opportunities available right here in the USA would raise too many questions….

Kudos to you too, PP. Nothing beats family, education, and hard work. Would we have gotten farther in America as white people? Probably, but life is still good regardless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No party does tokenism better than the Democratic Party. It's their mantra to peddle "identity" and "representation" political ideas without actually doing a damn thing.

+1
Don't forget "victimization". What would Democrats do without the victim card?

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Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

NP. You’re right. Dems are about promising handouts and then reneging when they come to power on the backs of foolish black voters. We’re supposed to be grateful for lip service from the likes of Biden, who spent MLK Jr. Day lying, was anti-choice until 30 seconds before he ran, and wrote the crime bill that destroyed two generations of black families. Listen, Rs stink, but nothing is worse than an enemy posing as a friend. That’s what Ds are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

NP. You’re right. Dems are about promising handouts and then reneging when they come to power on the backs of foolish black voters. We’re supposed to be grateful for lip service from the likes of Biden, who spent MLK Jr. Day lying, was anti-choice until 30 seconds before he ran, and wrote the crime bill that destroyed two generations of black families. Listen, Rs stink, but nothing is worse than an enemy posing as a friend. That’s what Ds are.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

NP. You’re right. Dems are about promising handouts and then reneging when they come to power on the backs of foolish black voters. We’re supposed to be grateful for lip service from the likes of Biden, who spent MLK Jr. Day lying, was anti-choice until 30 seconds before he ran, and wrote the crime bill that destroyed two generations of black families. Listen, Rs stink, but nothing is worse than an enemy posing as a friend. That’s what Ds are.

Do you have examples of what handouts Biden promised blacks when he ran for President, and then reneged on?

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Most black conservatives are complete frauds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No party does tokenism better than the Democratic Party. It's their mantra to peddle "identity" and "representation" political ideas without actually doing a damn thing.

+1
Don't forget "victimization". What would Democrats do without the victim card?

Are you going for buzzword bingo?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

That's an excellent point and sounds very true in my experience too -- it's not the wealthiest Latinos who move and settle here, those are happy back home. It's for the most part the ones who "didn’t have a pot to piss in back home."

And yet, while often not even speaking English coming here ... we do well in 1-2 generations through family, education and hard work.

I salute you, PP.

Precisely. It’s funny when African Americans point out all the ways in which black and brown are at the bottom in America and then think rich blacks from other countries are going to sign up for that. I guess it’s easier on the ego to pretend every successful black immigrant came here as a black prince a la “Coming to America.” Admitting we worked our asses off and made it through the opportunities available right here in the USA would raise too many questions….

Kudos to you too, PP. Nothing beats family, education, and hard work. Would we have gotten farther in America as white people? Probably, but life is still good regardless.

Oh, so I guess that's what your Republican friends meant when they kept telling black and brown people they need to go back to where they came from...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

That's an excellent point and sounds very true in my experience too -- it's not the wealthiest Latinos who move and settle here, those are happy back home. It's for the most part the ones who "didn’t have a pot to piss in back home."

And yet, while often not even speaking English coming here ... we do well in 1-2 generations through family, education and hard work.

I salute you, PP.

Precisely. It’s funny when African Americans point out all the ways in which black and brown are at the bottom in America and then think rich blacks from other countries are going to sign up for that. I guess it’s easier on the ego to pretend every successful black immigrant came here as a black prince a la “Coming to America.” Admitting we worked our asses off and made it through the opportunities available right here in the USA would raise too many questions….

Kudos to you too, PP. Nothing beats family, education, and hard work. Would we have gotten farther in America as white people? Probably, but life is still good regardless.

Oh, so I guess that's what your Republican friends meant when they kept telling black and brown people they need to go back to where they came from...

I’m not sure how your comment fits in with the chain you’re responding to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

NP. You’re right. Dems are about promising handouts and then reneging when they come to power on the backs of foolish black voters. We’re supposed to be grateful for lip service from the likes of Biden, who spent MLK Jr. Day lying, was anti-choice until 30 seconds before he ran, and wrote the crime bill that destroyed two generations of black families. Listen, Rs stink, but nothing is worse than an enemy posing as a friend. That’s what Ds are.

Oh, I see. D's are the bad guys because they give stuff but you're angry because you think they didn't give you enough - "they lied to us," but meanwhile you flock to the R's who not only lie their asses off, they screw you over outright. Sounds like some kind of messed-up Stockholm Syndrome going on there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

NP. You’re right. Dems are about promising handouts and then reneging when they come to power on the backs of foolish black voters. We’re supposed to be grateful for lip service from the likes of Biden, who spent MLK Jr. Day lying, was anti-choice until 30 seconds before he ran, and wrote the crime bill that destroyed two generations of black families. Listen, Rs stink, but nothing is worse than an enemy posing as a friend. That’s what Ds are.

Oh, I see. D's are the bad guys because they give stuff but you're angry because you think they didn't give you enough - "they lied to us," but meanwhile you flock to the R's who not only lie their asses off, they screw you over outright. Sounds like some kind of messed-up Stockholm Syndrome going on there.

Who said anything about flocking to Rs? Neither party is entitled to allegiance. I go issue by issue. YMMV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

That's an excellent point and sounds very true in my experience too -- it's not the wealthiest Latinos who move and settle here, those are happy back home. It's for the most part the ones who "didn’t have a pot to piss in back home."

And yet, while often not even speaking English coming here ... we do well in 1-2 generations through family, education and hard work.

I salute you, PP.

Precisely. It’s funny when African Americans point out all the ways in which black and brown are at the bottom in America and then think rich blacks from other countries are going to sign up for that. I guess it’s easier on the ego to pretend every successful black immigrant came here as a black prince a la “Coming to America.” Admitting we worked our asses off and made it through the opportunities available right here in the USA would raise too many questions….

Kudos to you too, PP. Nothing beats family, education, and hard work. Would we have gotten farther in America as white people? Probably, but life is still good regardless.

Oh, so I guess that's what your Republican friends meant when they kept telling black and brown people they need to go back to where they came from...

I’m not sure how your comment fits in with the chain you’re responding to.

It fits. Go back and re-read the thread and think a bit more on it. Your lack of self-awareness is getting in the way of understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

+1000.

Special shoutout to the Republicans who have made it impossible for anyone to do anything about guns. You do know that most of the guns flowing into the cities are coming from red areas with lax laws, right?
Also, Dems are not about "handouts for the black community" - if that's what you think it is, you are missing 97% of the picture.

NP. You’re right. Dems are about promising handouts and then reneging when they come to power on the backs of foolish black voters. We’re supposed to be grateful for lip service from the likes of Biden, who spent MLK Jr. Day lying, was anti-choice until 30 seconds before he ran, and wrote the crime bill that destroyed two generations of black families. Listen, Rs stink, but nothing is worse than an enemy posing as a friend. That’s what Ds are.

Oh, I see. D's are the bad guys because they give stuff but you're angry because you think they didn't give you enough - "they lied to us," but meanwhile you flock to the R's who not only lie their asses off, they screw you over outright. Sounds like some kind of messed-up Stockholm Syndrome going on there.

Who said anything about flocking to Rs? Neither party is entitled to allegiance. I go issue by issue. YMMV.

What specific issue?