Black Conservatives

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Anonymous wrote:Byron Donalds is a token

An incredibly well-spoken, reasoned ‘token’ Deserves the job. Glad he’s in. Don’t give a crap what he looks like.

Agreed. Byron Donalds is outstanding.

Aside from that whole fraud thing he pled no contest to

That charge was expunged, or are you not aware?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of black women vote Republican if the candidate is supporting school choice.

So few black women vote republican that I this is not even a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

The black community is not a monolith. There is a lot of deep stratification.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

The black community is not a monolith. There is a lot of deep stratification.

Then what use are generalities? Why not discuss your ideas about individual groups that are more cohesive?

[Anonymous]

How do the black conservatives feel about Desantis banning AP African American studies from FL?

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1107054.page

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

Yes. It costs thousands of dollars to get legal status in this country. If you don’t have a family hook, you’re playing the lottery or you’re getting here on a skilled visa. The truly poor in the Caribbean can’t afford to leave. That’s been the case for immigration to this country as long as we’ve existed. The notable exceptions are people brought here as temporary or permanent slaves.

It’s just as I thought: you know nothing about the immigration process. A lot of Africans come here as students and students only need to show a university admission. Work visas account for another huge chunk and those require only that you show you have an offer of employment.

It’s amazing how resentful canards that have little bases in truth accounts for a lot of your “knowledge.”

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Post the studies showing that they arrive here with money, as opposed to building it after they arrive.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

That's an excellent point and sounds very true in my experience too -- it's not the wealthiest Latinos who move and settle here, those are happy back home. It's for the most part the ones who "didn’t have a pot to piss in back home."

And yet, while often not even speaking English coming here ... we do well in 1-2 generations through family, education and hard work.

I salute you, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

The black community is not a monolith. There is a lot of deep stratification.

Then what use are generalities? Why not discuss your ideas about individual groups that are more cohesive?

I'm the one who pointed out the stratification, I'm not the person who made generalizations. Stop assuming you're only talking to one person here.

[Anonymous]

No party does tokenism better than the Democratic Party. It's their mantra to peddle "identity" and "representation" political ideas without actually doing a damn thing.

[Anonymous]

As a black immigrant, I reluctantly vote for Democrats only when I feel like the alternative is a far-right extremist Republican. Most of my family members and friends are conservative. We are not swayed by the trinkets Democrats promise during election season. We don't want handouts and social program that do nothing to alleviate the problems in the black community.
Special shout out to all the liberal mayors of major urban areas doing their darnedest to uplift the black community by doing nothing about gun violence (Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Atlanta....). Trump was wrong, it can get worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Black people aren’t a monolith. Recent African and Caribbean immigrants consider themselves different (and usually better) than black people who descended from slavery in the US. Their experiences are completely different. The former are likely coming here with some money and education, since it’s very difficult to just walk in. The latter were brought here in chains and forcibly kept from acquiring money and education in any large numbers for centuries. It’s not surprising if the former are more likely to identify with a party that claims allegiance to the American dream and working hard and all that, especially if they don’t view their race to be an issue.

Of course, the skinhead branch of the GOP doesn’t really see the difference between Island Black and American Black, and it’s quite clear the GOP is no longer, if it ever was, the party of opportunity for the working man.

To their credit, the GOP is really good at picking diverse people to represent them. Anyone can do the dirty work of the oligarchs these days. That’s progress I guess.

Do you have a citation for the assertion that African and Caribbean immigrants arrive in the U.S. with money (as opposed to making it here by taking advantage of opportunities)? I see a lot of African Americans say this as if it’s some unquestionable truth, but I’ve yet to see any evidence for that.

DP: It'd be interesting to compare the average amount of money brought by black immigrants vs. the average amount of money owned by native blacks.

There are literally studies on this. Black immigrants tend to come to the US with money and education. Also, it is different when you grow up in a country where everyone is black. You are not affected by the mental toll of racism.

Funny how you say there are studies, only to ignore them.

US blacks have on average much more wealth and income than average black immigrants, so saying the later suceed just because they come with more money is false and, frankly, insulting.

NP. Bingo. Not all African-Americans think in such self-pitying ways, but there’s definitely a significant number that convince themselves black immigrants are successful because they arrive successful. They don’t want to entertain the reality that black immigrants come here typically impoverished and make something of themselves.

It’s also interesting how lacking in common sense the idea that rich black immigrants settle in America. Absolutely no one rich and well-situated who is also black wants to settle here. In my own family, the only ones of us who have settled in America are the ones who didn’t have a pot to piss in back home. That’s the only way that leaving everything you know to come to a country where your skin color is so stigmatized makes sense. Africans who have money and education back home visit the United States to shop, sight see, and then go back. Why in the world would they stay here to get called the N-word, stall out on the corporate ladder due to race, or have their heads bounced off the sidewalk by the NYPD?

That's an excellent point and sounds very true in my experience too -- it's not the wealthiest Latinos who move and settle here, those are happy back home. It's for the most part the ones who "didn’t have a pot to piss in back home."

And yet, while often not even speaking English coming here ... we do well in 1-2 generations through family, education and hard work.

I salute you, PP.

This.