Keenan Anderson - black teacher killed by LAPD

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Anonymous wrote:This is unfortunate.

but he was clearly so high on a cocktail of drugs that he made no sense, and was a threat to both himself and others.

Just because someone is high on drugs does not mean they deserve to be killed (for a traffic incident no less).

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Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

By not tasering the man to death.

Exactly. Compare his treatment to that of scumbag Brian Kohberger when he was stopped by the cops. They were so polite and friendly toward him. The double standard is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

By not tasering the man to death.

It's rare for someone to die from being tasered. Maybe we should go back to PR-24 beat downs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

You know, a long time ago, I was in the Army, and we spent some time training on how to subdue someone without killing them (think about processing detainees in Iraq, etc.) There were clear rules: no striking, no submission holds, just restraining them. And the strategy was simple: time and numbers.

If you have two people on one guy, you've got numbers.

So long as you have control of the situation, time is on your side: people get tired. Just stay patient. The guy struggling will wear himself out.

You struggle with him until you get an opportunity. Usually one guy goes for arms and one goes for legs. If his arms come together, zipcuff those babies and you're golden. If his legs come together, zipcuff his legs. Once the legs are out of commission, both guys turn their attention to arms. If that doesn't work, get creative. If the best you can do is zipcuff an arm to a leg, whatever. As long as you don't injure the guy it's fine. He'll struggle for a bit and when the adrenaline wears off and he realizes the position he's in, you can untangle him then.

Now, I'm not saying this process was always neat and simple. But it never devolved into the kind of Keystone Kops farce where there are literally six guys on top of somebody. The man only has four limbs!! What are you there for? Ballast? And don't give me that "he might be on PCP" crap. People don't smoke rocks and turn into the hulk. You're just out of shape and lazy.

But back to the six cops thing. They pile on top of the guy because they apparently believe there is exactly one correct way to handcuff a guy, no matter how many bones you have to break to get there. And if you can't get his arms into the exact right position, by gum you're gonna have officer #7 kneel on his eye socket until those arms pop into place.

So they end up doing damage to the joints, sit on his chest until he can't breathe (so he panics and gets another rush of adrenalin, great strategy, boss), and when that doesn't work you start "compliance tasing" him until he gives up [we used to just call that "torture" but I guess Taser wanted to go with something they could trademark] until he gives up.

All because a bunch of bozos couldn't keep their cool, apply a bit of patience and mental flexibility.

Cops get paid by the hour, anyway, who cares if it takes 90 minutes to subdue a suspect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

The 1st police officer on the scene should not have treated him like a perp. Get on the ground hands behind your back? Why? He called for help and the cops tear him like a criminal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

You know, a long time ago, I was in the Army, and we spent some time training on how to subdue someone without killing them (think about processing detainees in Iraq, etc.) There were clear rules: no striking, no submission holds, just restraining them. And the strategy was simple: time and numbers.

If you have two people on one guy, you've got numbers.

So long as you have control of the situation, time is on your side: people get tired. Just stay patient. The guy struggling will wear himself out.

You struggle with him until you get an opportunity. Usually one guy goes for arms and one goes for legs. If his arms come together, zipcuff those babies and you're golden. If his legs come together, zipcuff his legs. Once the legs are out of commission, both guys turn their attention to arms. If that doesn't work, get creative. If the best you can do is zipcuff an arm to a leg, whatever. As long as you don't injure the guy it's fine. He'll struggle for a bit and when the adrenaline wears off and he realizes the position he's in, you can untangle him then.

Now, I'm not saying this process was always neat and simple. But it never devolved into the kind of Keystone Kops farce where there are literally six guys on top of somebody. The man only has four limbs!! What are you there for? Ballast? And don't give me that "he might be on PCP" crap. People don't smoke rocks and turn into the hulk. You're just out of shape and lazy.

But back to the six cops thing. They pile on top of the guy because they apparently believe there is exactly one correct way to handcuff a guy, no matter how many bones you have to break to get there. And if you can't get his arms into the exact right position, by gum you're gonna have officer #7 kneel on his eye socket until those arms pop into place.

So they end up doing damage to the joints, sit on his chest until he can't breathe (so he panics and gets another rush of adrenalin, great strategy, boss), and when that doesn't work you start "compliance tasing" him until he gives up [we used to just call that "torture" but I guess Taser wanted to go with something they could trademark] until he gives up.

All because a bunch of bozos couldn't keep their cool, apply a bit of patience and mental flexibility.

Cops get paid by the hour, anyway, who cares if it takes 90 minutes to subdue a suspect?

Thank you. I was the PP being directly asked but you answered much better than I could have and in great practical depth.

Also thank you for your service and for staying compassionate while doing a very hard job in the military (like police).

As I have said, I am not anti police at all but do want them trained longer and better as in peer countries with low crime rates. We need them and need to invest in their training and well being doing very difficult public safety work.

Thanks again for for very clear example of how this tragic situation could have been averted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone explained why he was in L.A. this week if he’s a teacher? I assume school was in session?

It wasn’t this week.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

By not tasering the man to death.

It's rare for someone to die from being tasered. Maybe we should go back to PR-24 beat downs

“Reuters now has documented a total of at least 1,081 U.S. deaths following use of Tasers, almost all since the weapons began coming into widespread use in the early 2000s.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-taser-deaths-insight/as-death-toll-keeps-rising-u-s-communities-start-rethinking-taser-use-idUSKCN1PT0YT

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

By not tasering the man to death.

It's rare for someone to die from being tasered. Maybe we should go back to PR-24 beat downs

“Reuters now has documented a total of at least 1,081 U.S. deaths following use of Tasers, almost all since the weapons began coming into widespread use in the early 2000s.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-taser-deaths-insight/as-death-toll-keeps-rising-u-s-communities-start-rethinking-taser-use-idUSKCN1PT0YT

I will say this for the beat-downs approach: you never saw six cops caught on video just wailing on a guy. 3 cops, tops. One for each arm, one with the billy club. Anyone trying to sell Tasers to police departments should have to account for the increased personnel costs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

By not tasering the man to death.

It's rare for someone to die from being tasered. Maybe we should go back to PR-24 beat downs

“Reuters now has documented a total of at least 1,081 U.S. deaths following use of Tasers, almost all since the weapons began coming into widespread use in the early 2000s.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-taser-deaths-insight/as-death-toll-keeps-rising-u-s-communities-start-rethinking-taser-use-idUSKCN1PT0YT

Much safer than getting beaten by a billy club or shot by a shotgun. Officers often tase suspects who could justifiably be blasted with a shotgun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

By not tasering the man to death.

Exactly. Compare his treatment to that of scumbag Brian Kohberger when he was stopped by the cops. They were so polite and friendly toward him. The double standard is disgusting.

I didn't think Brian Kohberger resisted arrest?

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It's absolutely awful that Mr. Anderson lost his life. Stop for a second and think though. What should the officers have done instead when he continued to resist arrest? Let him go? Let him potentially get the upper hand in a fight that could lead them to being injured or killed? Until you have walked in the footsteps of a police officer who has had to struggle with a suspect resisting arrest, you can't really see the full picture. If you let the suspect get the upper hand then the tables can be easily turned on the officer. Don't forget that the officers also don't know what he might do to others in the surrounding area. Was he going to run into traffic and get hit by car? Perhaps strike a civilian? Sometimes going hands on with someone is done to prevent them from harming themselves. It's still a tragic outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

He was not a threat. AT no time were the officers in danger. They spoke with him and he was non-threatening. Police officers lack training to deal with someone in crisis. There is NO reason that man should've died for this.

He was literally walking out into traffic. Did you even watch the video??!?

An unarmed man walking into traffic is threatening? Sounds like he was only a danger to himself.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
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Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct.

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .

How would you have handled the situation?

You know, a long time ago, I was in the Army, and we spent some time training on how to subdue someone without killing them (think about processing detainees in Iraq, etc.) There were clear rules: no striking, no submission holds, just restraining them. And the strategy was simple: time and numbers.

If you have two people on one guy, you've got numbers.

So long as you have control of the situation, time is on your side: people get tired. Just stay patient. The guy struggling will wear himself out.

You struggle with him until you get an opportunity. Usually one guy goes for arms and one goes for legs. If his arms come together, zipcuff those babies and you're golden. If his legs come together, zipcuff his legs. Once the legs are out of commission, both guys turn their attention to arms. If that doesn't work, get creative. If the best you can do is zipcuff an arm to a leg, whatever. As long as you don't injure the guy it's fine. He'll struggle for a bit and when the adrenaline wears off and he realizes the position he's in, you can untangle him then.

Now, I'm not saying this process was always neat and simple. But it never devolved into the kind of Keystone Kops farce where there are literally six guys on top of somebody. The man only has four limbs!! What are you there for? Ballast? And don't give me that "he might be on PCP" crap. People don't smoke rocks and turn into the hulk. You're just out of shape and lazy.

But back to the six cops thing. They pile on top of the guy because they apparently believe there is exactly one correct way to handcuff a guy, no matter how many bones you have to break to get there. And if you can't get his arms into the exact right position, by gum you're gonna have officer #7 kneel on his eye socket until those arms pop into place.

So they end up doing damage to the joints, sit on his chest until he can't breathe (so he panics and gets another rush of adrenalin, great strategy, boss), and when that doesn't work you start "compliance tasing" him until he gives up [we used to just call that "torture" but I guess Taser wanted to go with something they could trademark] until he gives up.

All because a bunch of bozos couldn't keep their cool, apply a bit of patience and mental flexibility.

Cops get paid by the hour, anyway, who cares if it takes 90 minutes to subdue a suspect?

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely awful that Mr. Anderson lost his life. Stop for a second and think though. What should the officers have done instead when he continued to resist arrest? Let him go? Let him potentially get the upper hand in a fight that could lead them to being injured or killed? Until you have walked in the footsteps of a police officer who has had to struggle with a suspect resisting arrest, you can't really see the full picture. If you let the suspect get the upper hand then the tables can be easily turned on the officer. Don't forget that the officers also don't know what he might do to others in the surrounding area. Was he going to run into traffic and get hit by car? Perhaps strike a civilian? Sometimes going hands on with someone is done to prevent them from harming themselves. It's still a tragic outcome.

He did not continue to resist arrest - he was on the ground pleading for his life and saying OK when they repeatedly tasered him.