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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems. 
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

[b]What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.[/b]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

[b]The history of racialized policing[/b]
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
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Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”[/quote]

These problems took a very long time to form and will not go away over night but we need to keep trying [/quote]

For those with ears to hear … complex problems grown over long time require evidence based approaches to correct. [/quote]

May Keenan not die in vain, may his death be a catalyst for better and longer police training .[/quote]

How would you have handled the situation?[/quote]

You know, a long time ago, I was in the Army, and we spent some time training on how to subdue someone without killing them (think about processing detainees in Iraq, etc.) There were clear rules: no striking, no submission holds, just restraining them. And the strategy was simple: time and numbers.

If you have two people on one guy, you've got numbers.

So long as you have control of the situation, time is on your side: people get tired. Just stay patient. The guy struggling will wear himself out.

You struggle with him until you get an opportunity. Usually one guy goes for arms and one goes for legs. If his arms come together, zipcuff those babies and you're golden. If his legs come together, zipcuff his legs. Once the legs are out of commission, both guys turn their attention to arms. If that doesn't work, get creative. If the best you can do is zipcuff an arm to a leg, whatever. As long as you don't injure the guy it's fine. He'll struggle for a bit and when the adrenaline wears off and he realizes the position he's in, you can untangle him then.

Now, I'm not saying this process was always neat and simple. But it never devolved into the kind of Keystone Kops farce where there are literally six guys on top of somebody. The man only has four limbs!! What are you there for? Ballast? And don't give me that "he might be on PCP" crap. People don't smoke rocks and turn into the hulk. You're just out of shape and lazy.

But back to the six cops thing. They pile on top of the guy because they apparently believe there is exactly one correct way to handcuff a guy, no matter how many bones you have to break to get there. And if you can't get his arms into the exact right position, by gum you're gonna have officer #7 kneel on his eye socket until those arms pop into place.

So they end up doing damage to the joints, sit on his chest until he can't breathe (so he panics and gets another rush of adrenalin, great strategy, boss), and when that doesn't work you start "compliance tasing" him until he gives up [we used to just call that "torture" but I guess Taser wanted to go with something they could trademark] until he gives up.

All because a bunch of bozos couldn't keep their cool, apply a bit of patience and mental flexibility.

Cops get paid by the hour, anyway, who cares if it takes 90 minutes to subdue a suspect? [/quote]

Thank you. I was the PP being directly asked but you answered much better than I could have and in great practical depth.

Also thank you for your service and for staying compassionate while doing a very hard job in the military (like police).

As I have said, I am not anti police at all but do want them trained longer and better as in peer countries with low crime rates.  We need them and need to invest in their training and well being doing very difficult public safety work.

Thanks again for for very clear example of how this tragic situation could have been averted.[/quote]

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