Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
I agree. Is anyone here disagreeing with that?
Let’s see:
It’s possible God exists, and atheists and anti-theists are wrong.
It’s possible God doesn’t exist, and Christians are wrong.
No scientific data exists to prove or disprove the existence of God.
Science doesn't have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God.
Each person, regardless of opinion about God, has the right to express their opinion.
Atheists and anti-theists do not have to attend church, read the bible, or participate in religion.
Christians have the right to worship as they wish.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
Pp here. I do not have “faith” that God does not exist. Just as you don’t have faith that leprechauns don’t exist. Or the other gods that you don’t believe in don’t exist.
What I have is a lack of evidence that a god or gods exist. I’m still waiting for some. And when I get it, I will change what I think. Will you?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
Pp here. I do not have “faith” that God does not exist. Just as you don’t have faith that leprechauns don’t exist. Or the other gods that you don’t believe in don’t exist.
What I have is a lack of evidence that a god or gods exist. I’m still waiting for some. And when I get it, I will change what I think. Will you?
faith
/fāTH/
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
You have faith (without proof) that God doesn’t exist.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
" border="0" class="embeddedImage" />
If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
Pp here. I do not have “faith” that God does not exist. Just as you don’t have faith that leprechauns don’t exist. Or the other gods that you don’t believe in don’t exist.
What I have is a lack of evidence that a god or gods exist. I’m still waiting for some. And when I get it, I will change what I think. Will you?
faith
/fāTH/
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
You have faith (without proof) that God doesn’t exist.
No. Wrong. I have the opposite. And I don’t claim god doesn’t exist; simply that there is not enough evidence to believe.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
I agree. Is anyone here disagreeing with that?
Not hat I've noticed. People can believe whatever they want to. It's very popular to believe in "God", and in some cultures it's pretty much expected.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
" border="0" class="embeddedImage" />
If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
" border="0" class="embeddedImage" />
If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
Often just speaking about your religious beliefs is considered trying to convert someone, which is false.
I can say I believe in God, He created the world, and Jesus Christ is my personal Savior.
That doesn’t make anyone else have to believe as I do.
I have a right to express my religious beliefs. Does doing so convert anyone?
Anonymous wrote:Op again. Meant to add the question: could this be true. I’m sometimes thinking that I’m being punished because medications don’t work or I have to stop them due to side effects, therapy hasn’t helped much, and I’m just suffering so much and wonder if I’m just being punished. Then sometimes I think that’s ridiculous , but I don’t know what to think and it sounds wrong to me what she says , but not thinking clearly when very depressed is making this more difficult .
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
The Bill of Rights protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to keep and bear arms, the freedom of assembly and the freedom to petition. It also prohibits unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment and compelled self-incrimination.
These are rights we are guaranteed as Americans. Which of the others are silly? Religion is silly, you say. That’s your opinion, but as an American, you don’t think religious freedom is important? I don’t believe everyone has to be religious, believe in a God or higher power. Each person has every right to decide how they feel about religion and either embrace a religious belief system they think is important and meaningful, or reject religion and live their lives without it. Our government should never choose a religion to make official and determine all Americans should believe said religion.
However, none of our freedoms seem silly to me. There is a big difference between saying that you personally don’t believe in religion and a God, vs calling religion silly. I don’t think any freedoms are silly.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
The Bill of Rights protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to keep and bear arms, the freedom of assembly and the freedom to petition. It also prohibits unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment and compelled self-incrimination.
These are rights we are guaranteed as Americans. Which of the others are silly? Religion is silly, you say. That’s your opinion, but as an American, you don’t think religious freedom is important? I don’t believe everyone has to be religious, believe in a God or higher power. Each person has every right to decide how they feel about religion and either embrace a religious belief system they think is important and meaningful, or reject religion and live their lives without it. Our government should never choose a religion to make official and determine all Americans should believe said religion.
However, none of our freedoms seem silly to me. There is a big difference between saying that you personally don’t believe in religion and a God, vs calling religion silly. I don’t think any freedoms are silly.
Straw man as not one single person is arguing against religious freedom. No one thinks that constitutional freedom should be repealed.
The freedom to express that a particular religious belief is silly is part of those freedoms.
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
" border="0" class="embeddedImage" />
If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
Often just speaking about your religious beliefs is considered trying to convert someone, which is false.
I can say I believe in God, He created the world, and Jesus Christ is my personal Savior.
That doesn’t make anyone else have to believe as I do.
I have a right to express my religious beliefs. Does doing so convert anyone?
So, do you extend the same freedom to people who tell you they don’t see any evidence for your beliefs? Is that them trying to convert you or convince you?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
Often just speaking about your religious beliefs is considered trying to convert someone, which is false.
I can say I believe in God, He created the world, and Jesus Christ is my personal Savior.
That doesn’t make anyone else have to believe as I do.
I have a right to express my religious beliefs. Does doing so convert anyone?
So, do you extend the same freedom to people who tell you they don’t see any evidence for your beliefs? Is that them trying to convert you or convince you?
I have never told an atheist that their beliefs are silly or not valid. Ever. I just have my own deeply held beliefs. Atheists can believe as they wish, that’s an important part of being an American and it’s important to treat other people (even if I don’t agree with them) and their beliefs with respect.
Why do you have to tell other people you see no evidence for their beliefs?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a cop out answer, OP. Easier than offering you help in ways that might give you more time to go to therapy, exercise, et al. She could make a few healthy meals and drop off, or watch your kids for a few hours.
Do you really believe that a few healthy meals can help with clinical depression? OP said she has been in therapy for years. Few more sessions will not make a difference.
And finding Jesus will make a difference?
Some people continue learning from therapy and should not drop it because of a stranger on the internet or a friend pushing a religious cure.
Yes. Finding Jesus does make a difference. Bonus - it costs way less than any therapy!
You are part of the problem.
You are funny. OP's problem don't come from people who live happy and content life. OP's problems come from people like you who convinced that living with depression is normal. Your soul is like a jar, it cannot remain empty. If you don't fill it in with a light, it will be filled with a darkness. And to fill it with the light, you have to take action. The good thing is that OP has the choice of how to fill it.
I sort of agree with that. If all the therapists and medications and treatments have failed? If you have struggled with depression your entire life, tried every possible treatment and multiple medications, had many different psychiatric interventions, and modern treatments and medications have failed you?
You can’t just stay in the dark of depression your entire life. Try something different. You have to try, for yourself and your loved ones.
It’s gross to suggest a person suffers for decades and dies in mental agony and doesn’t try to live a better quality of life for their own happiness.
So, what the hell, OP-- try religion. and if that doesn't work, too bad - Christians will tell you that you just need to keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are speaking for Christians in the absence of the need to do so. I have two suggestions, that either your parents either neglected to teach you, or you were taught, but refuse to abide by:
1. Don’t generalize, especially about people, especially about their deeply held, deeply personal beliefs
2. Don’t speak for a person, or group of people. Let people speak for themselves.
I choose to believe your parents taught you these lessons, and you just need a simple reminder to implement them to be a kind, socially responsible citizen.
No simple reminder needed. Just keep trying to believe and Jesus eventually will save you.
You are toxic. You speak for Christianity when you are not a Christian. You think I need your permission to worship Jesus and His Salvation is a joke? Why do you care how I or anyone else conducts their worship and faith in America- a place founded on complete religious freedom?
There are so many toxic posters here who cannot accept religious freedom is a huge part of being an American. It’s good we can worship as we wish. It makes us the envy of the world.
I believe Americans who are so un-American as to not believe in freedom of religion and do not tolerate freedom of religion should either learn to be respectful of our laws and values and morals, or find a new home in a country that limits the expression and freedom of religion, so they can live peaceful and happy lives.
Google the countries that restrict religion and religious practices and go there…you won’t have to live in a country with religious freedom. It would be better than spending your life obsessively watching religious people, telling religious people their faith is wrong, and speaking for the Christianity you despise so deeply.
It’s very sad to live your life hating something (Christianity) so much. It will be very hard for you your entire life, because religious freedom is not going away. We will continue to worship, pray, speak about our faith, and shine brightly as lights representing God in our communities.
As the saying goes, sucks to be you, but I’d never say that to you seriously. I believe your anger and obsessive hostility and venom against Christianity and Christians comes from irrational fear, self-loathing, and hatred for yourself. No one can hate other people without cause without self-hatred.
So when you post such uncalled for and hateful things, I know it’s coming from a bitter and angry and scared place of self-hatred. Prayers to you. Jesus will save you, too.
Wow - talk about anger and hostility! Two simple sentences encouraging belief inspire paragraphs of attack language. It's so unlike Christ that it's hard to believe an actual Christian would say such things.
You aren’t serious, just trolling because looking in the mirror hurts.
pp must not be a good Christian. A good Christian would not say such hateful things. Even to a stranger on the Internet.
There are no good Christians.
You are a hateful and bigoted anti-theist. An atheist simply doesn’t believe or care about religion or God. Anti-theists actively and obsessively hate religion, religious people, etc.
So tell me, are there good Jewish people? Good Muslim people? Are any religious people good?
That’s not a real post and you know it. Don’t feed the trolls.
I see many posts here claiming that religion, religious people, Christianity specifically, is bad. That Christianity and Christians are mean and harmful to people and for America.
Despite America being founded on absolute freedom to worship however an American desires. Despite every American president coming from a Christian faith tradition; despite the majority of our current elected officials professing a Christian faith, and publicly expressing their Christian belief and attending church, as President Biden and his wife and family do.
If you do not like Christianity, pp, and you think there are no good Christians, there are countries that limit the practice of Christianity and in which being a Christian is severely restricted.
Pew has a comprehensive reporting on this very topic.
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If you are an American that is an anti-theist, and actively dislikes religion, opposes the free exercise of religion and believes religion is harmful, you have places to flee to.
If you want to live in a country that represents your thoughts on restricting religion, Pew shows you who you identify with and what government you would feel comfortable living under.
Straw man yet again. Yes, many negative things about religion are mentioned here, as they should be. But no one has claimed all religious people are bad so stop saying that. And as for wanting a country that restricts religion, the constitution has spoken on that.
There just isn’t compelling evidence a god exists. That’s the entire atheist position. Don’t ascribe any more to it. And try and spot those troll posts before you reply to them. They are not real.
Atheists simply choose to say they don’t believe in God. They don’t get any say in how other people feel about God, including God’s existence, or the personal relationship a person may choose to have via their religious beliefs, with God.
Your personal feelings about God do not impact anyone else’s regarding the existence of God.
Your atheism is how you view the world for you- not the rest of us.
Here you go straw manning again, arguing against positions no one has made.
The facts are you have it exactly backwards, and it is the religious that preach what will happen if we don’t believe, and the nonreligious that simply say what they believe, which is that there isn’t compelling evidence for a God but if you show us some, we will change our position.
What would make you change your position?
What is your faith that God does not exist based on?
DP It's not faith. It's lack of evidence
Plenty of people see evidence of God.
There are no scientific tests or measures to prove or disprove God’s existence.
Why can’t the original pp answer?
I remember a line in Angels and Demons, the movie. A priest asks Tom Hanks's character "Do you believe in God?" And he says something like "No, father, that's a gift I never received." (or something pretty close to that). It always fascinates me how some people are susceptible to this belief (and can abandon common sense) and some just aren't. I wonder if it's genetic. Some people may have the "believer gene" and some just don't."
Tom Hank’s movies are indeed incredible. Basing life choices off of lines written for Tom Hanks, by screenwriters, for Hanks to speak, to make money, is just amazing, friend.
Whether or not God exists cannot be definitely proven. If you don’t believe, that’s your choice, but your disbelief doesn’t negate anyone else’s belief, and vice versa.
Same goes for all the other Gods and imaginary characters throughout history
Constructive conversation between those of different faiths, and believers/nonbelievers, is appropriate. People who just want to stand up and decree why their belief is correct and everyone else is wrong- that’s the problem.
agreed. Hard to do, though if religious believers want to convert people to their particular version of Religion and non-believers want to tell believers how silly religion is.
Often just speaking about your religious beliefs is considered trying to convert someone, which is false.
I can say I believe in God, He created the world, and Jesus Christ is my personal Savior.
That doesn’t make anyone else have to believe as I do.
I have a right to express my religious beliefs. Does doing so convert anyone?
So, do you extend the same freedom to people who tell you they don’t see any evidence for your beliefs? Is that them trying to convert you or convince you?
I have never told an atheist that their beliefs are silly or not valid. Ever. I just have my own deeply held beliefs. Atheists can believe as they wish, that’s an important part of being an American and it’s important to treat other people (even if I don’t agree with them) and their beliefs with respect.
Why do you have to tell other people you see no evidence for their beliefs?
Why do you get to say what your beliefs are and I do not? You didn’t answer that question.
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