What are your high stat kid’s safeties?

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Pitt

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My first kid never had a safety other than UMD. He wound up getting into his ED school. He wanted to go to a SLAC but none of the safety SLACs were appealing to him. In the end, he decided that UMD (while not a SLAC and not a great fit) was better than the mid level SLACs he didn’t love.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

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It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

NP. Don't get me wrong, i moved across the country to getaway from my HS, but these kids can relocate for graduate school, jobs, etc. It doesn't have to be for undergraduate.

DP here and I agree with pp. I’m from NYC and went to school in Boston. I made friends with students from all over the world. I think I tried a bit too hard to meet different people. I met DH in grad school and we eventually moved to DC.

I am honestly a bit envious of some people who stayed in state, who have close friends and family. I’m talking about my friends in NY. Being a townie in NYC is different than staying in Iowa. My friends are from the NY metro area, may have gone to SUNY, NYU, Columbia, Cornell, etc, gotten a job in Manhattan and just has an amazing friend network.

I have 3 children. I hope at least one kid stays local. Like NY, I don’t think going to UVA, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins and staying in the DMV is bad at all.

I am sick and out internet is down so I’m typing on my phone. We have made friends in DC but it is not the same as the friend groups my friends have in NY.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

The ED acceptance rate for Northeastern is close to 40 percent, amd that’s where they accept most of the class. That isn’t a low acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

LOL the world ranking says UC San Diego is better than schools like Duke, Northwestern.
Brown is 71-80
Dartmouth is 176-200

LMAO what a comedian

Look at the actual major metrics such as student stats, outcome, retention rate, etc.

The rankings likely reflect the fact that UCSD is a research powerhouse.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

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It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

NP. Don't get me wrong, i moved across the country to getaway from my HS, but these kids can relocate for graduate school, jobs, etc. It doesn't have to be for undergraduate.

Obviously it doesn't have to happen with undergrad. However, in my experience, kids who do venture out for undergraduate are more likely to continue exploring the world/US and not just return "home". Of the T25 students in my HS (that's the people I keep in touch with/were my friends in HS), there are only 2 of us who left the state (the other did stay in state for undergrad then ventured out for graduate school). The rest still live in VA within 25 miles of where they grew up. If you attend undergrad with people who are all from the same area (State of Va) you are largely meeting others who might just be happy staying in VA for the rest of their lives. Attend undergrad 1K miles from "home" where there are students from all 50 states and many other countries, and your life begins to broaden at age 18-22. Those are key formative years IMO. Exposure to "different" people from different areas makes you more inclined to explore the world

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

NP. I have no opinions on Northeastern, but you plainly do not understand the list you linked. Multiple universities on the list do not educate undergraduates at all. Others are notoriously bad for undergraduates as they focus entirely on academic research and graduate education. I used to do admissions for a T20 graduate program, and there are universities on that list that were known for not preparing undergraduates at all for graduate school. A good research institute means very little with respect to undergraduate education. What you linked is a list of well-respected research institutes and graduate schools, because that’s what academic reputation is built on. It is not a list relevant to where good undergraduate students should attend.

Your lack of understanding of what you linked makes it hard to take the rest of your rant seriously.

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. It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

Pls stop trying to deny or deflect the facts.
UVA is 67% percent in state.
The state of Virginia isn’t uniquely or especially diverse. Among the top 50 states plus DC, Virginia isn’t in the top 15 for percentage of foreign born population. In fact, the percentage of VA’s population that’s foreign born is lower than in MD or DC.
As for ‘international families who come to work in DC’ that wouldn’t offset the impact of the relatively high in-state percentage of students at UVA because many of those would be considered OOS, because their parents are temporarily resident in US, not permanently domiciled in Virginia.

Agree. Northern Virginia is very diverse but UVA pulls from the whole state evenly.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

It's not overhyped.
It's underrated for what it actaully produce.
Move on.

You boosters actually don’t help. Most of you sound insecure and defensive. Be happy and proud of your choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

+1
We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

W
It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

NP. Don't get me wrong, i moved across the country to getaway from my HS, but these kids can relocate for graduate school, jobs, etc. It doesn't have to be for undergraduate.

Obviously it doesn't have to happen with undergrad. However, in my experience, kids who do venture out for undergraduate are more likely to continue exploring the world/US and not just return "home". Of the T25 students in my HS (that's the people I keep in touch with/were my friends in HS), there are only 2 of us who left the state (the other did stay in state for undergrad then ventured out for graduate school). The rest still live in VA within 25 miles of where they grew up. If you attend undergrad with people who are all from the same area (State of Va) you are largely meeting others who might just be happy staying in VA for the rest of their lives. Attend undergrad 1K miles from "home" where there are students from all 50 states and many other countries, and your life begins to broaden at age 18-22. Those are key formative years IMO. Exposure to "different" people from different areas makes you more inclined to explore the world

replying to my own post: My Best friend from "home"/HS, went to UVA, met their spouse at UVA. Their spouse was good friends in HS with my HS boyfriend---the small group I went to my BF's senior prom with included my Best Friends now-Husband. So they attending different HS, yet went to college and are married to someone who grew up within 10 miles of them. Whereas my friend base from college includes people from all over the USA---we still stay in touch and plan vacations together or visit each other yearly.
There are plus/minuses to each situation. I prefer what I got to experience. All 3 of my kids are/did attend college OOS. They looked instate but didn't find the right school for them. So they expanded their horizons and are very happy

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

+1
We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

W
It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

NP. Don't get me wrong, i moved across the country to getaway from my HS, but these kids can relocate for graduate school, jobs, etc. It doesn't have to be for undergraduate.

DP here and I agree with pp. I’m from NYC and went to school in Boston. I made friends with students from all over the world. I think I tried a bit too hard to meet different people. I met DH in grad school and we eventually moved to DC.

I am honestly a bit envious of some people who stayed in state, who have close friends and family. I’m talking about my friends in NY. Being a townie in NYC is different than staying in Iowa. My friends are from the NY metro area, may have gone to SUNY, NYU, Columbia, Cornell, etc, gotten a job in Manhattan and just has an amazing friend network.

I have 3 children. I hope at least one kid stays local. Like NY, I don’t think going to UVA, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins and staying in the DMV is bad at all.

I am sick and out internet is down so I’m typing on my phone. We have made friends in DC but it is not the same as the friend groups my friends have in NY.

+1 I don't get the disdain some people have for living your whole life in one area. What's wrong with being happy and connected in the place where you were born?

I do get the desire to go away. I grew up in LA and hated it. Wanted to get out of state for college -- back to the mid-Atlantic where I was born and we often spent vacations -- but my parents had an in-state budget. So I went in state (3 hrs from home), worked in LA for a few years after college and then used that job as a springboard to move where I wanted to. The rest of my family ended up migrating to northern CA and I have a bunch of old college friends who live in that area too and definitely wonder what it would have been like to have just changed the area of CA and had those strong friend and family connections. I really like my life in DC but I miss my family too and my college friendships are now just xmas cards and a Facebook follow.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

It's not overhyped.
It's underrated for what it actaully produce.
Move on.

You boosters actually don’t help. Most of you sound insecure and defensive. Be happy and proud of your choice.

Why are you so obsessed
Kids get rejected from many schools for whatever reasons.
Move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

NP. Serious question, I've seen the reference to NEU as overhyped on many threads. Great location with smart kids and a popular co-op program. What makes it overhyped? Poor education? Poor job prospects? I honestly don't know. Rather than 10% acceptance rate it was 50, would that cease to make it overhyped?

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

Jeez yourself. It's over 80K a year in after tax dollars. A lot of us can't afford that.