What are your high stat kid’s safeties?

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

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It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

Sounds like going OOS for college was the right choice for you, but is your life "better" than those who choose to stay close to home? I just got back from visiting some of my wife's extended family in Sioux Falls, SD. Her relatives there (all educated in colleges in SD or adjoining states) are prosperous, content, happy and have strong connections within their communities. I've lived in 8 different countries and travelled extensively - I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. But am I happier or do I have a better quality of life for having done that? I don't think so.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

The ignorance here is unbelievable. My SLAC is less diverse than UVA. The big controversy is that UVA accepts more OOS and international students at 32% than most state schools, like UCLA, Berkeley (less than 10%) or UNC (10%) or TExas. Virginians want access to their top schools. They are angry they can't get in. It has LOTS of diversity because it can. The SLACs often can't compete and wind up less diverse.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

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My kid had the stats for UVA but didn’t have the class rank. Why would they want to go to JMU if we can afford to send them to an out of state school that has a more similar academic reputation as UVA?

A) they might not get into the OOS with a similar reputation - that's a pretty small grouping like UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan; and B) $$$$$$$$

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

NP. Serious question, I've seen the reference to NEU as overhyped on many threads. Great location with smart kids and a popular co-op program. What makes it overhyped? Poor education? Poor job prospects? I honestly don't know. Rather than 10% acceptance rate it was 50, would that cease to make it overhyped?

I’m the NP who pointed out that the PP criticizing NEU didn’t understand her own link. I don’t have a tie to NEU. But I think that there are a few obsessed haters who post ALL the time, sort of like the Meghan Markle haters, SLAC haters, or the University of Chicago haters. I don’t think you are seeing a big group of people who think NEU is overhyped, I think you are seeing a few relentless borderline spammers who are hate-obsessed with the school. I don’t consider any of those groups of posters to be rational people, and I’d be skeptical of their posts.

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. It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

Pls stop trying to deny or deflect the facts.
UVA is 67% percent in state.
The state of Virginia isn’t uniquely or especially diverse. Among the top 50 states plus DC, Virginia isn’t in the top 15 for percentage of foreign born population. In fact, the percentage of VA’s population that’s foreign born is lower than in MD or DC.
As for ‘international families who come to work in DC’ that wouldn’t offset the impact of the relatively high in-state percentage of students at UVA because many of those would be considered OOS, because their parents are temporarily resident in US, not permanently domiciled in Virginia.

Agree. Northern Virginia is very diverse but UVA pulls from the whole state evenly.

No it doesn't. more than half of the In-state students come from the highly educated, very diverse area near D.C. Some counties don't send a single student whereas Fairfax sends 700+ each year. Also, UVA has 32 percent OOS and international. It's a very cosmopolitan campus.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

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It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

Sounds like going OOS for college was the right choice for you, but is your life "better" than those who choose to stay close to home? I just got back from visiting some of my wife's extended family in Sioux Falls, SD. Her relatives there (all educated in colleges in SD or adjoining states) are prosperous, content, happy and have strong connections within their communities. I've lived in 8 different countries and travelled extensively - I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. But am I happier or do I have a better quality of life for having done that? I don't think so.

I moved away from my family and am happy with my life but one big downside has been that while we have traveled some internationally we have not traveled as extensively as I would like because we end up using a substantial amount of our vacation time to visit family. One much overlooked benefit of living near your family is you never have to travel to visit them so you can spend your time/money traveling more places.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

Jeez yourself. It's over 80K a year in after tax dollars. A lot of us can't afford that.

A lot also can afford and they are not asking for your money.

Personally,

If money is same which was my kids case with some aid/scholarship, I would send them to Northeastern or BU.

If we are affluent family and a dozen K is not so big deal, I would send them to Northeastern or BU.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

W
It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

NP. Don't get me wrong, i moved across the country to getaway from my HS, but these kids can relocate for graduate school, jobs, etc. It doesn't have to be for undergraduate.

DP here and I agree with pp. I’m from NYC and went to school in Boston. I made friends with students from all over the world. I think I tried a bit too hard to meet different people. I met DH in grad school and we eventually moved to DC.

I am honestly a bit envious of some people who stayed in state, who have close friends and family. I’m talking about my friends in NY. Being a townie in NYC is different than staying in Iowa. My friends are from the NY metro area, may have gone to SUNY, NYU, Columbia, Cornell, etc, gotten a job in Manhattan and just has an amazing friend network.

I have 3 children. I hope at least one kid stays local. Like NY, I don’t think going to UVA, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins and staying in the DMV is bad at all.

I am sick and out internet is down so I’m typing on my phone. We have made friends in DC but it is not the same as the friend groups my friends have in NY.

+1 I don't get the disdain some people have for living your whole life in one area. What's wrong with being happy and connected in the place where you were born?

I do get the desire to go away. I grew up in LA and hated it. Wanted to get out of state for college -- back to the mid-Atlantic where I was born and we often spent vacations -- but my parents had an in-state budget. So I went in state (3 hrs from home), worked in LA for a few years after college and then used that job as a springboard to move where I wanted to. The rest of my family ended up migrating to northern CA and I have a bunch of old college friends who live in that area too and definitely wonder what it would have been like to have just changed the area of CA and had those strong friend and family connections. I really like my life in DC but I miss my family too and my college friendships are now just xmas cards and a Facebook follow.

No disdain for it. However, I grew up moving around the country, so "home" was just where I spent 6 years before heading to college. At that point, I knew I didn't really want to call anywhere I'd lived (8 different places) "Home" for the long haul. So for me, college was the perfect opportunity to start the process, explore and expand my horizons.

Just feel kids shouldn't be discouraged from attending college at a distance if that's what they want (not what mom/dad want) and if it's affordable to the family. If you are happy never living/going much further than 2 hours from where you live, except for a vacation each year, that is totally fine.
However, if your kid wants to get out and explore the world, college is a great place to start this. Even if you end up returning "home", you will still have so many friends around the country that you will have reasons to visit/explore.

So nothing wrong with either situation.

Yes,sometime I wish my grown kids were closer, but then I realize how happy my kids are and I just book a plane ticket to go visit them I don't ever want to be the reason they don't strive for what ever they want to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

Jeez yourself. It's over 80K a year in after tax dollars. A lot of us can't afford that.

And nobody is suggesting (or at least I'm not) that you send your kid to a school you cannot afford. I actually think everyone should go to the most affordable school for them that has their major. Nothing is worth going into debt.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP but disagree. PP speaks for a lot of us. There is a lot of insecurity and campaigning about the school on this board. I have no feelings about the school at all and even I get tired of it.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP but disagree. PP speaks for a lot of us. There is a lot of insecurity and campaigning about the school on this board. I have no feelings about the school at all and even I get tired of it.

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If you’re going to elect someone to speak for you, try to get someone to speak who has a basic understanding of links they post. I have to agree that long rant was pretty embarrassing, and I have nothing to do with NEU.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

NP. Serious question, I've seen the reference to NEU as overhyped on many threads. Great location with smart kids and a popular co-op program. What makes it overhyped? Poor education? Poor job prospects? I honestly don't know. Rather than 10% acceptance rate it was 50, would that cease to make it overhyped?

I’m the NP who pointed out that the PP criticizing NEU didn’t understand her own link. I don’t have a tie to NEU. But I think that there are a few obsessed haters who post ALL the time, sort of like the Meghan Markle haters, SLAC haters, or the University of Chicago haters. I don’t think you are seeing a big group of people who think NEU is overhyped, I think you are seeing a few relentless borderline spammers who are hate-obsessed with the school. I don’t consider any of those groups of posters to be rational people, and I’d be skeptical of their posts.

NP. No child at NEU, no child applying to NEU (although I thought it was worth looking at, she did not).

This is out of control. Literally very few people other those that have kids going or applying think a lot about NEU. There are a few posters on this DCUM forum that feel the need to boost NEU and its accomplishments in every thread about elite universities or rankings. It is not the haters, it is the booster that bring out the derision. It is a very good school with a great co op program, there are many very good schools. It is so wonderful to have a school that would fit many, but that does not make it elite. Whatever elite means, it does not mean Northeastern.

The boosters are making everyone that is not a booster be annoyed by Northeastern. That is too bad, because it is a very good school.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

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We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

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It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

Sounds like going OOS for college was the right choice for you, but is your life "better" than those who choose to stay close to home? I just got back from visiting some of my wife's extended family in Sioux Falls, SD. Her relatives there (all educated in colleges in SD or adjoining states) are prosperous, content, happy and have strong connections within their communities. I've lived in 8 different countries and travelled extensively - I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. But am I happier or do I have a better quality of life for having done that? I don't think so.

Obviously my life isn't any better than theirs for choosing to leave "home". I never stated or implied that.

However, I am very happy my parents never restricted me and attempted to keep me instate just to keep me nearby.
Which they could have easily done---I could have attended Va Tech or UVA for free at that time and we didn't have much $$. But I attended a T10 which was T3 for one of my majors and T15 for the other and I came out with less than $10K in loans for 5 years. I worked my ass off to make it affordable---I only came home for winter break because I couldn't afford thanksgiving and spring break travel. So from a financial standpoint, my factory working, non-college educated parents could have easily encouraged me to stay close by. But they didn't---they allowed me to be me and pick what path I wanted to follow.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

NP. Serious question, I've seen the reference to NEU as overhyped on many threads. Great location with smart kids and a popular co-op program. What makes it overhyped? Poor education? Poor job prospects? I honestly don't know. Rather than 10% acceptance rate it was 50, would that cease to make it overhyped?

I’m the NP who pointed out that the PP criticizing NEU didn’t understand her own link. I don’t have a tie to NEU. But I think that there are a few obsessed haters who post ALL the time, sort of like the Meghan Markle haters, SLAC haters, or the University of Chicago haters. I don’t think you are seeing a big group of people who think NEU is overhyped, I think you are seeing a few relentless borderline spammers who are hate-obsessed with the school. I don’t consider any of those groups of posters to be rational people, and I’d be skeptical of their posts.

NP. No child at NEU, no child applying to NEU (although I thought it was worth looking at, she did not).

This is out of control. Literally very few people other those that have kids going or applying think a lot about NEU. There are a few posters on this DCUM forum that feel the need to boost NEU and its accomplishments in every thread about elite universities or rankings. It is not the haters, it is the booster that bring out the derision. It is a very good school with a great co op program, there are many very good schools. It is so wonderful to have a school that would fit many, but that does not make it elite. Whatever elite means, it does not mean Northeastern.

The boosters are making everyone that is not a booster be annoyed by Northeastern. That is too bad, because it is a very good school.

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. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

NP. Serious question, I've seen the reference to NEU as overhyped on many threads. Great location with smart kids and a popular co-op program. What makes it overhyped? Poor education? Poor job prospects? I honestly don't know. Rather than 10% acceptance rate it was 50, would that cease to make it overhyped?

I’m the NP who pointed out that the PP criticizing NEU didn’t understand her own link. I don’t have a tie to NEU. But I think that there are a few obsessed haters who post ALL the time, sort of like the Meghan Markle haters, SLAC haters, or the University of Chicago haters. I don’t think you are seeing a big group of people who think NEU is overhyped, I think you are seeing a few relentless borderline spammers who are hate-obsessed with the school. I don’t consider any of those groups of posters to be rational people, and I’d be skeptical of their posts.

NP. No child at NEU, no child applying to NEU (although I thought it was worth looking at, she did not).

This is out of control. Literally very few people other those that have kids going or applying think a lot about NEU. There are a few posters on this DCUM forum that feel the need to boost NEU and its accomplishments in every thread about elite universities or rankings. It is not the haters, it is the booster that bring out the derision. It is a very good school with a great co op program, there are many very good schools. It is so wonderful to have a school that would fit many, but that does not make it elite. Whatever elite means, it does not mean Northeastern.

The boosters are making everyone that is not a booster be annoyed by Northeastern. That is too bad, because it is a very good school.

As someone who literally had no opinion about NEU before reading DCUM, I think more highly of the school now because the haters come across as so incredibly deranged and obsessed. The boosters seem pretty innocuous to me.

I went to HYS myself, fwiw.