What are your high stat kid’s safeties?

[Anonymous]

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP but disagree. PP speaks for a lot of us. There is a lot of insecurity and campaigning about the school on this board. I have no feelings about the school at all and even I get tired of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tufts, Frostburg, Pitt, Charleston..

How is tufts a safety?

It's NOT for anyone based in reality

[Anonymous]

. It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

Pls stop trying to deny or deflect the facts.
UVA is 67% percent in state.
The state of Virginia isn’t uniquely or especially diverse. Among the top 50 states plus DC, Virginia isn’t in the top 15 for percentage of foreign born population. In fact, the percentage of VA’s population that’s foreign born is lower than in MD or DC.
As for ‘international families who come to work in DC’ that wouldn’t offset the impact of the relatively high in-state percentage of students at UVA because many of those would be considered OOS, because their parents are temporarily resident in US, not permanently domiciled in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally disagree that many of those listed above are safeties, even for a high stats kid.
For my high stats kid, safeties were very difficult to identify, because admissions are tough across the board, and bc of yield protection (justifiable).
I humbly recommend treating "safeties" with the respect they deserve, showing them a lot of demonstrated interest, and only choosing those that your student would be happy to attend.
Nothing is a slam dunk anymore, nor should it be.

OP here. I want to say BU will be my kid’s safety but want a few true safeties. I’m thinking Penn State.

Do schools reject high stat kids knowing the school is considered a safety?

Yep- DS got deferred EA from CWRU because he hadn’t shown enough demonstrated interest. Was high stats, good GPA and course rigor.

Did they tell you that’s why they deferred him?

CWRU has a yield problem and knows they are 2nd choice/safety for many high stats kids. CWRU is only a first choice for kids who ED1 there. So they work hard to protect yield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

LOL the world ranking says UC San Diego is better than schools like Duke, Northwestern.
Brown is 71-80
Dartmouth is 176-200

LMAO what a comedian

Look at the actual major metrics such as student stats, outcome, retention rate, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

+1
We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

If someone has the $$$ saved, why does it matter? I agree that it's not worth taking out student loans or parent loans to do this but if you have the $$$ and your kid wants to attend, why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Super important that folks are conservative when it comes to definition of reach/safety/target for your student. Reaches are a dime a dozen. Targets can be elusive. Safeties can be hard to find.

Safeties are not difficult to find. Top 25% of scores/gpa, acceptance rate above 50% and a school your kid really wants to attend. Oh and show demonstrated interest to minimize yield protection chances.

The issue seems to be that many "high stats" kids don't want to attend anywhere but T20. Trust that they will go far even at a T50 school or T100 school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

LOL the world ranking says UC San Diego is better than schools like Duke, Northwestern.
Brown is 71-80
Dartmouth is 176-200

LMAO what a comedian

Look at the actual major metrics such as student stats, outcome, retention rate, etc.

UC San Diego #29
Brown #71-80
Dartmouth #176-200

ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

+1
We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

W
It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

. Why do you say that??
It's on par with many of the elite schools in major metrics.
It's actually under-ranked.

No, it’s not.
Here’s the Times Higher Education rankings (from two months ago) of the world’s 200 universities with the best reputations (as assessed by academics and administrators).

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2022/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

56 US universities are on that list. Most of the highest ranked ‘national universities’ on USNWR’s list make this Times list, as do a number of stronger state flagships. Northeastern isn’t on that list. It’s a fine school, but it’s not seen as on a par with the best universities in the country.

Yiu can try to dismiss the finding - there are always individual zealots who say they know better than all the experts - but the fact is, when you get past Northeastern’s low acceptance rate (yes, a lot of kids want to go to school in Boston and like the pre-professional co-op programs) and the anomalously high ranking on the USNWR list (other credible ranking systems put Northeastern considerably further down on the list of top 100 or so schools), what the data and assessments show is that Northeastern is a fine school like so many others but not one of the very top schools in the country or even in the Boston area. Congratulations to the kids who get in, and with reasonable effort they’ll likely get a good education. But we don’t have to listen to boosters from comparably ranked GWU or Michigan State - or higher ranked Rochester or Case Western - try to browbeat DCUM into agreeing those schools are actually now among the top/elite schools in the country, and the unrelenting effort by Northeastern’s boosters to do so only ends up,paradoxically, drawing more attention to the abundant evidence that the university isn’t.

Why are you so passionate about the subject? You are embarrassing yourself.

DP. Nice comeback.
But, seriously, I too don't get the extreme boosterism for neu (or the extreme trashing of it, for that matter). I have issues with some of the Times order that PP references, but, other than that, PP is on the money here. It's a fine school that is overhyped. Can we move on now?

It's not overhyped.
It's underrated for what it actaully produce.
Move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safety: UMd

No interest in paying big $$ for a school that is not notably better than UMd (will be a Stem major). Therefore he took a swing at a few heavyweights and if it doesn't work out, UMd it is. 1530/4.3w, private.

I can't even imagine paying somewhere like BU (or many others) a truckload of money for an education that is not *notably and substantially* better or more prestigious than UMd and *is* notably less prestigious than HYP/Rice/Penn. And this is no knock on BU, its a very fine school probably better in some fields then UMd but is it 150-200K+ better?

+1
We feel the same way. Know someone who is paying a boatload of money to attend Northeastern (??) when they could have gone to their very good state school instead and gotten an excellent education for far less money.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Some kids really want to go to get out of the DMV to go to school. Mine included. If you have the ability to pay and your kid wants to go to school in Boston and Northeastern is the right fit and their top choice, then you send them to Northeastern. Or BU. Or wherever it is that they really want to be. Jeez.

DP here. I would want my child to attend college with students from all over the country and world. We are in VA. UVA is like 70% in state? My selfishness wants my child to stay close for college.

W
It’s less than 70% in state. What you fail to recognize is that VA is one of the most diverse states in the country (especially NoVA) due to the influx of international families and those from all over the country who come to work in DC. The non VA students are very geographically diverse as well.

But it's still largely students from VA. Everyone from my HS (Top HS in Henrico county) who went to UVA has stayed in VA. Most of my HS stayed in state, however I left and attended a T10. I haven't been back to VA except to visit family. I've lived all over the US. My spouse is from another country. Doubt any of that would have happened had I stayed at an instate school.

NP. Don't get me wrong, i moved across the country to getaway from my HS, but these kids can relocate for graduate school, jobs, etc. It doesn't have to be for undergraduate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Super important that folks are conservative when it comes to definition of reach/safety/target for your student. Reaches are a dime a dozen. Targets can be elusive. Safeties can be hard to find.

Safeties are not difficult to find. Top 25% of scores/gpa, acceptance rate above 50% and a school your kid really wants to attend. Oh and show demonstrated interest to minimize yield protection chances.

The issue seems to be that many "high stats" kids don't want to attend anywhere but T20. Trust that they will go far even at a T50 school or T100 school.

You say in the first paragraph that safeties are not difficult to find but then you also say that a safety is somewhere they want to attend. As you acknowledge in the second paragraph, that is the issue for many high stats kids and why they have trouble finding safeties.