Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.


This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm


I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.


If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.


They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.


Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.


I guess if "divert from your course" you mean "leave the interstate to go to the same Sheetz 0.1 miles from the offramp that everyone else is getting their gas at," sure.

Otherwise, you should probably stop talking about things you have zero clue about. Frankly it's embarrassing that in 2023 anyone would be so confidently ignorant on such basic knowledge. Where did you get your info, some hillbilly boomer facebook page from 2010?


Literally just took a road-trip in an EV with a friend and this exact thing happened to try to find a fast charger. Added 1.5 hours to a 4 hour drive.

Other times, he's had to wait like 12 hours for a car to charge. Please, STFU.

This is my LiVeD eXpErIeNcE! You should know all about that, dummy.


DP: Then your buddy doesn't know what he's doing. No one I know has hever had an issue remotely like that. But we all have Teslas.


Teslas have better charging infrastructure. These were ChargePoint chargers. Step outside of your little bubble.

Unless your answer is everybody should get a Tesla.


I can *maybe* believe your story if your friend was insisting on finding a charge point charger (presumably because he gets free charging from them)
But that’s like saying that you had to drive so far out of your way for gas, but only being willing to fill up at an Exxon station.
He should have been willing to pay to charge at electrifyamerica or EVGo or other public stations.
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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.


This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm


I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.


If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.


They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.


Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.


I guess if "divert from your course" you mean "leave the interstate to go to the same Sheetz 0.1 miles from the offramp that everyone else is getting their gas at," sure.

Otherwise, you should probably stop talking about things you have zero clue about. Frankly it's embarrassing that in 2023 anyone would be so confidently ignorant on such basic knowledge. Where did you get your info, some hillbilly boomer facebook page from 2010?


Literally just took a road-trip in an EV with a friend and this exact thing happened to try to find a fast charger. Added 1.5 hours to a 4 hour drive.

Other times, he's had to wait like 12 hours for a car to charge. Please, STFU.

This is my LiVeD eXpErIeNcE! You should know all about that, dummy.


DP: Then your buddy doesn't know what he's doing. No one I know has hever had an issue remotely like that. But we all have Teslas.


Teslas have better charging infrastructure. These were ChargePoint chargers. Step outside of your little bubble.

Unless your answer is everybody should get a Tesla.


I can *maybe* believe your story if your friend was insisting on finding a charge point charger (presumably because he gets free charging from them)
But that’s like saying that you had to drive so far out of your way for gas, but only being willing to fill up at an Exxon station.
He should have been willing to pay to charge at electrifyamerica or EVGo or other public stations.


Give it a rest, clown. There are plenty of stories out there like this.
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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.


This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm


I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.


If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.


They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.


Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.


I guess if "divert from your course" you mean "leave the interstate to go to the same Sheetz 0.1 miles from the offramp that everyone else is getting their gas at," sure.

Otherwise, you should probably stop talking about things you have zero clue about. Frankly it's embarrassing that in 2023 anyone would be so confidently ignorant on such basic knowledge. Where did you get your info, some hillbilly boomer facebook page from 2010?


Literally just took a road-trip in an EV with a friend and this exact thing happened to try to find a fast charger. Added 1.5 hours to a 4 hour drive.

Other times, he's had to wait like 12 hours for a car to charge. Please, STFU.

This is my LiVeD eXpErIeNcE! You should know all about that, dummy.


DP: Then your buddy doesn't know what he's doing. No one I know has hever had an issue remotely like that. But we all have Teslas.


Teslas have better charging infrastructure. These were ChargePoint chargers. Step outside of your little bubble.

Unless your answer is everybody should get a Tesla.


I can *maybe* believe your story if your friend was insisting on finding a charge point charger (presumably because he gets free charging from them)
But that’s like saying that you had to drive so far out of your way for gas, but only being willing to fill up at an Exxon station.
He should have been willing to pay to charge at electrifyamerica or EVGo or other public stations.

It’s a good try to educate that PP but his mind is closed up.
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A few reasons:

Climate change is a hoax. If you believe climate change is real, Democrats would support a carbon tax on Chinese goods because the Chinese emit more carbon per unit of economic production. Of course, Democrats don't do that because they prefer to regulate American behavior.

Electric cars don't work well for overall use. They're fine for daily commuters but terrible for medium-length trips, especially in cold climates. Electric cars are tax handouts to the rich. It's ridiculous. Further, battery replacement is a cost that is not well understood.

The same people who claimed we were at peak oil (and were wrong) are the same ones who say we need electric cars. They're not credible.

In short, if you want an electric car, I suggest you get one. Just don't ask me to pay for your frivolous vehicle with a tax subsidy. If you believe climate change is serious, embrace serious solutions that will get the most bang for the buck and don't buy beachfront property you think will be flooded. Until then, stop bugging the rest of us with your moral preening.
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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.


This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm


I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.


If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.


They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.


Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.


I guess if "divert from your course" you mean "leave the interstate to go to the same Sheetz 0.1 miles from the offramp that everyone else is getting their gas at," sure.

Otherwise, you should probably stop talking about things you have zero clue about. Frankly it's embarrassing that in 2023 anyone would be so confidently ignorant on such basic knowledge. Where did you get your info, some hillbilly boomer facebook page from 2010?


Literally just took a road-trip in an EV with a friend and this exact thing happened to try to find a fast charger. Added 1.5 hours to a 4 hour drive.

Other times, he's had to wait like 12 hours for a car to charge. Please, STFU.

This is my LiVeD eXpErIeNcE! You should know all about that, dummy.


DP: Then your buddy doesn't know what he's doing. No one I know has hever had an issue remotely like that. But we all have Teslas.


Teslas have better charging infrastructure. These were ChargePoint chargers. Step outside of your little bubble.

Unless your answer is everybody should get a Tesla.


I can *maybe* believe your story if your friend was insisting on finding a charge point charger (presumably because he gets free charging from them)
But that’s like saying that you had to drive so far out of your way for gas, but only being willing to fill up at an Exxon station.
He should have been willing to pay to charge at electrifyamerica or EVGo or other public stations.

It’s a good try to educate that PP but his mind is closed up.


You are the one with a closed mind. You can literally go read up about charging infrastructure and experiences for non-Teslas and step out of your ignorance, but you choose not to.

Very fitting that the DCUM demo is a bunch of city-dwelling Tesla junkies stuck in their own bubbles.
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Anonymous wrote:A few reasons:

Climate change is a hoax. If you believe climate change is real, Democrats would support a carbon tax on Chinese goods because the Chinese emit more carbon per unit of economic production. Of course, Democrats don't do that because they prefer to regulate American behavior.

Electric cars don't work well for overall use. They're fine for daily commuters but terrible for medium-length trips, especially in cold climates. Electric cars are tax handouts to the rich. It's ridiculous. Further, battery replacement is a cost that is not well understood.

The same people who claimed we were at peak oil (and were wrong) are the same ones who say we need electric cars. They're not credible.

In short, if you want an electric car, I suggest you get one. Just don't ask me to pay for your frivolous vehicle with a tax subsidy. If you believe climate change is serious, embrace serious solutions that will get the most bang for the buck and don't buy beachfront property you think will be flooded. Until then, stop bugging the rest of us with your moral preening.


NP. OMG, where to start with all this faux news? Anthropogenic climate change in not a hoax, read up on some of the basic science, geez. DCUM needs to upgrade the quality of its conservatives.

Dems are much more likely to support a carbon tax than Cons. But free trade is a very different thing and if Dems taxed Chinese imports then Cons would be raging about how Dems were destroying American consumers. Also trade is subject to WTO and climate agreements.

I've taken my EV on longish road trips. It's not a Tesla, either. After the first trip I realized I needed to do a little planning, and now we just stop for 45 minutes for a full charge while we stop in the bathrooms and get snacks.

And how are EVs "handouts for the rich" when you can get pretty cheap EV's like the Bolt, Leaf and Kona and still get the tax credit? Educate yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:A few reasons:

Climate change is a hoax. If you believe climate change is real, Democrats would support a carbon tax on Chinese goods because the Chinese emit more carbon per unit of economic production. Of course, Democrats don't do that because they prefer to regulate American behavior.

Electric cars don't work well for overall use. They're fine for daily commuters but terrible for medium-length trips, especially in cold climates. Electric cars are tax handouts to the rich. It's ridiculous. Further, battery replacement is a cost that is not well understood.

The same people who claimed we were at peak oil (and were wrong) are the same ones who say we need electric cars. They're not credible.

In short, if you want an electric car, I suggest you get one. Just don't ask me to pay for your frivolous vehicle with a tax subsidy. If you believe climate change is serious, embrace serious solutions that will get the most bang for the buck and don't buy beachfront property you think will be flooded. Until then, stop bugging the rest of us with your moral preening.


NP. OMG, where to start with all this faux news? Anthropogenic climate change in not a hoax, read up on some of the basic science, geez. DCUM needs to upgrade the quality of its conservatives.

Dems are much more likely to support a carbon tax than Cons. But free trade is a very different thing and if Dems taxed Chinese imports then Cons would be raging about how Dems were destroying American consumers. Also trade is subject to WTO and climate agreements.

I've taken my EV on longish road trips. It's not a Tesla, either. After the first trip I realized I needed to do a little planning, and now we just stop for 45 minutes for a full charge while we stop in the bathrooms and get snacks.

And how are EVs "handouts for the rich" when you can get pretty cheap EV's like the Bolt, Leaf and Kona and still get the tax credit? Educate yourself.


As I said. Their minds are closed, and that’s how the GOP likes them. Because if all of those little GOP sheep realized that climate change is real and caused by burning carbon, they might begin to feel remorse for their part in destroying our little blue marble.

This way they can feel good about themselves! and pretend that it’s the Democrats who are at fault.
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Anonymous wrote:NP. OMG, where to start with all this faux news? Anthropogenic climate change in not a hoax, read up on some of the basic science, geez. DCUM needs to upgrade the quality of its conservatives.

Dems are much more likely to support a carbon tax than Cons. But free trade is a very different thing and if Dems taxed Chinese imports then Cons would be raging about how Dems were destroying American consumers. Also trade is subject to WTO and climate agreements.

I've taken my EV on longish road trips. It's not a Tesla, either. After the first trip I realized I needed to do a little planning, and now we just stop for 45 minutes for a full charge while we stop in the bathrooms and get snacks.

And how are EVs "handouts for the rich" when you can get pretty cheap EV's like the Bolt, Leaf and Kona and still get the tax credit? Educate yourself.



Please tell me what model has the best record of predicting climate change. Once you have done that, I will verify if its methodology and data are publicly available for analysis. I will then review its track record.

The single biggest emitter is China. If Dems were serious (they're not), they'd want to stop the biggest source. The fact that they don't shows they are not serious.

"Longish" is doing some work. You can't do those in cold weather. I don't care if people get an electric car. I considered it myself. But the tax credits are a scam for rich people. The fact you tell me to educate myself while saying I can get a Bolt for cheap is hysterical. You realize they're stopping production on the Bolt. What kind of stable genius is going to buy a vehicle where parts will be hard to find in the future? And how many rich people buy the Leaf? In my neck of the woods, there are lots of decidedly not cheap EVs everywhere, many of which likely received credits.
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As I said. Their minds are closed, and that’s how the GOP likes them. Because if all of those little GOP sheep realized that climate change is real and caused by burning carbon, they might begin to feel remorse for their part in destroying our little blue marble.


My mind is totally open. Please tell me what is the best single study for predicting "climate change." You libs love to talk about the scientific consensus. Fine. Let's debate the science. So tell me which study/model is the best.

In most cases, libs can't because they outsource their thinking to institutions. They talk about the scientific community's consensus while remaining blissfully unaware of the replication crisis. Science is the formation of a hypothetis, testing it, and then independently validating it. So show me what model has been independently validated. I'm numerate--I'll look at the figures myself, assuming the data are publicly available, which they rarely are. Weird how these studies are so "scientific" but don't do things consistently with the scientific process we teach fourth graders.

As I noted, you won't question that because you have outsourced your thinking. But prove me wrong with the best study that has publicly available data.
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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.


This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm


I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.


If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.


They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.


Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.


I guess if "divert from your course" you mean "leave the interstate to go to the same Sheetz 0.1 miles from the offramp that everyone else is getting their gas at," sure.

Otherwise, you should probably stop talking about things you have zero clue about. Frankly it's embarrassing that in 2023 anyone would be so confidently ignorant on such basic knowledge. Where did you get your info, some hillbilly boomer facebook page from 2010?


Literally just took a road-trip in an EV with a friend and this exact thing happened to try to find a fast charger. Added 1.5 hours to a 4 hour drive.

Other times, he's had to wait like 12 hours for a car to charge. Please, STFU.

This is my LiVeD eXpErIeNcE! You should know all about that, dummy.


DP: Then your buddy doesn't know what he's doing. No one I know has hever had an issue remotely like that. But we all have Teslas.


Teslas have better charging infrastructure. These were ChargePoint chargers. Step outside of your little bubble.

Unless your answer is everybody should get a Tesla.


Basically all the auto manufacturers are switching to Tesla chargers, so yeah, everybody is pretty much "getting a Tesla."

Shocking that someone so ignorant about EVs hasn't heard.
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As I said. Their minds are closed, and that’s how the GOP likes them. Because if all of those little GOP sheep realized that climate change is real and caused by burning carbon, they might begin to feel remorse for their part in destroying our little blue marble.


My mind is totally open. Please tell me what is the best single study for predicting "climate change." You libs love to talk about the scientific consensus. Fine. Let's debate the science. So tell me which study/model is the best.

In most cases, libs can't because they outsource their thinking to institutions. They talk about the scientific community's consensus while remaining blissfully unaware of the replication crisis. Science is the formation of a hypothetis, testing it, and then independently validating it. So show me what model has been independently validated. I'm numerate--I'll look at the figures myself, assuming the data are publicly available, which they rarely are. Weird how these studies are so "scientific" but don't do things consistently with the scientific process we teach fourth graders.

As I noted, you won't question that because you have outsourced your thinking. But prove me wrong with the best study that has publicly available data.



This is the dumbest "counterargument" I've ever heard. There doesn't need to be a "single best study for predicting climate change" when all of the studies are coming to the same conclusion regarding global temperatures.

It's like you're trying to argue that hurricanes don't exist because sometimes the Euro or GFS don't predict the correct track.
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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.


This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm


I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.


If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.


They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.


Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.


I guess if "divert from your course" you mean "leave the interstate to go to the same Sheetz 0.1 miles from the offramp that everyone else is getting their gas at," sure.

Otherwise, you should probably stop talking about things you have zero clue about. Frankly it's embarrassing that in 2023 anyone would be so confidently ignorant on such basic knowledge. Where did you get your info, some hillbilly boomer facebook page from 2010?


Literally just took a road-trip in an EV with a friend and this exact thing happened to try to find a fast charger. Added 1.5 hours to a 4 hour drive.

Other times, he's had to wait like 12 hours for a car to charge. Please, STFU.

This is my LiVeD eXpErIeNcE! You should know all about that, dummy.


DP: Then your buddy doesn't know what he's doing. No one I know has hever had an issue remotely like that. But we all have Teslas.


Teslas have better charging infrastructure. These were ChargePoint chargers. Step outside of your little bubble.

Unless your answer is everybody should get a Tesla.


Basically all the auto manufacturers are switching to Tesla chargers, so yeah, everybody is pretty much "getting a Tesla."

Shocking that someone so ignorant about EVs hasn't heard.


Uh huh...I was the one that raised Tesla opening their charging infra in the first place. Just admit you were wrong and keep it pushing.
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Anonymous wrote:My DH is not a staunch republican, mostly votes third party these days, although I think he voted for Youngkin. He has a weird aversion to electric cars, which I asked about recently. He says it is because he feels they are a way for rich people to feel morally superior to people who are less well-off. (FWIW we are middle class by NoVa standards, probably poor by DCUM standards). Personally, I also think he likes engine noise, which I don’t understand.

I just don't get this reasoning. It's the next generation of automotive technology, that's all. Early adopters tend to be wealthier, because they can afford to buy new technologies that are still expensive. Did your DH's great-grandfather stubbornly persist in driving his horse buggy around because he thought the swells with jalopies were thumbing their noses at him?
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As I said. Their minds are closed, and that’s how the GOP likes them. Because if all of those little GOP sheep realized that climate change is real and caused by burning carbon, they might begin to feel remorse for their part in destroying our little blue marble.


My mind is totally open. Please tell me what is the best single study for predicting "climate change." You libs love to talk about the scientific consensus. Fine. Let's debate the science. So tell me which study/model is the best.

In most cases, libs can't because they outsource their thinking to institutions. They talk about the scientific community's consensus while remaining blissfully unaware of the replication crisis. Science is the formation of a hypothetis, testing it, and then independently validating it. So show me what model has been independently validated. I'm numerate--I'll look at the figures myself, assuming the data are publicly available, which they rarely are. Weird how these studies are so "scientific" but don't do things consistently with the scientific process we teach fourth graders.

As I noted, you won't question that because you have outsourced your thinking. But prove me wrong with the best study that has publicly available data.


Reminder: Trump completely abandoned the Paris accord and lifted any and all expectations off of China. Biden on the other hand returned to the Paris agreement table and got China to come to the table as well, and got them to commit to a timeline. And right now, China is far outpacing the entire rest of the world combined in terms of how much solar and alternative energy they are building out.

Also, the IPCC Report tells you what models, and what data are being used, in great detail, along with how the models perform and how they were evaluated. Along with providing hundreds of citations for further reading and research. And yes, they do in fact follow the scientific method, far and above what one is taught as a fourth grader. There is no secrecy and no "weirdness" about any of it.

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