Wilson / Jackson-Reed Teacher saying slurs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

I don’t think it is okay for *anyone* — white or black — to use the word. If black people insist on using the word as a term of connection, so be it.

But, yes, a Black person using the term to in hostility to a white person is worse than the white person saying it in rejection. The idea that the teacher crossed a hard red line guy the student is entitled to hurl the provocative insult is absurd.

And all this is tangential that a teenager behaved horribly, and this teacher was faced with the kind of abuse that no teacher should have to deal with but that many do.

Just because it is not the "worst" part of the interaction doesn't mean it's okay. We are not faced with a situation where we have to approve of one in order to disapprove of the other.

At what point did anyone say the child was "entitled" to say it to his teacher? Show me one post.

[Anonymous]

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you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nope, nobody here has even hinted that it's okay to use the word as a racial slur. What we are saying is that it does not matter the context, keep that word from coming out of your mouth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

Nothing will happen. That’s the point. The kid will go on doing what does with no consequence and the teacher will leave. Nothing will happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nope, nobody here has even hinted that it's okay to use the word as a racial slur. What we are saying is that it does not matter the context, keep that word from coming out of your mouth.

Why would you call someone that name?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

I don’t think it is okay for *anyone* — white or black — to use the word. If black people insist on using the word as a term of connection, so be it.

But, yes, a Black person using the term to in hostility to a white person is worse than the white person saying it in rejection. The idea that the teacher crossed a hard red line guy the student is entitled to hurl the provocative insult is absurd.

And all this is tangential that a teenager behaved horribly, and this teacher was faced with the kind of abuse that no teacher should have to deal with but that many do.

If you are not black, your opinion on how the word is used in insignificant.

Nope. Black people can’t deem it okay or fair bait or whatever to say it to a white person as an insult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Who are you vehemently disagreeing with? Nobody said the teacher should be punished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

The students made a big deal out of the teacher saying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

The students made a big deal out of the teacher saying it.

Are they advocating for the teacher to be punished? What are they saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

show me

unless you consider internet opprobrium punishment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

show me

unless you consider internet opprobrium punishment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?