My hot take - if you own an AR-15 you have a few loose screws

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As long as the law allows it, it's not for me to judge. No, I don't own one, I don't ever will.

BS. Use your brain. Take a stand. Slavery and Jim Crow laws were also legal at one point. Germany in the 1930s made it legal to terrorize Jews. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral. And you should make a judgment - those things are wrong.

You’re aware, this is the same position pro-lifers and pro-choice people use, and that’s gotten us nowhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

[Anonymous]

My hot take - if you own an AR-15 you have a very small penis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My hot take - if you own an AR-15 you have a very small penis.

And if your big debate move is to splice the imprecision of the terms “assault” “automatic” and “machine”, you’re heart and brain are small too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

Yea, the insulting for using the wrong term is ridiculous.

It’s like when I had a “discussion” with someone who was ranting about DUI laws being unfair, and when I said a shot was 1 ounce, they exclaimed “no! A shot is 1.5 ounces! See, you know nothing and therefore everything you say is invalid!” As if knowing everything there is to know about alcohol is something to be proud of. Same with guns. Knowing all the correct terms doesn’t make you an expert anymore than knowing body parts makes you a doctor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

Yea, the insulting for using the wrong term is ridiculous.

It’s like when I had a “discussion” with someone who was ranting about DUI laws being unfair, and when I said a shot was 1 ounce, they exclaimed “no! A shot is 1.5 ounces! See, you know nothing and therefore everything you say is invalid!” As if knowing everything there is to know about alcohol is something to be proud of. Same with guns. Knowing all the correct terms doesn’t make you an expert anymore than knowing body parts makes you a doctor.

Omg, exactly. These are no doubt the same guys who won’t trust experts on any other issue too. Dumb as rocks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

Yea, the insulting for using the wrong term is ridiculous.

It’s like when I had a “discussion” with someone who was ranting about DUI laws being unfair, and when I said a shot was 1 ounce, they exclaimed “no! A shot is 1.5 ounces! See, you know nothing and therefore everything you say is invalid!” As if knowing everything there is to know about alcohol is something to be proud of. Same with guns. Knowing all the correct terms doesn’t make you an expert anymore than knowing body parts makes you a doctor.

Agreed. The gun nuts doing all the hand waving are disgusting and disturbed. We can still see the bloodied bodies of children piling up at your feet as you lecture us on the irrelevant details of your beloved guns. STFU already you sick psychopaths.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

Yea, the insulting for using the wrong term is ridiculous.

It’s like when I had a “discussion” with someone who was ranting about DUI laws being unfair, and when I said a shot was 1 ounce, they exclaimed “no! A shot is 1.5 ounces! See, you know nothing and therefore everything you say is invalid!” As if knowing everything there is to know about alcohol is something to be proud of. Same with guns. Knowing all the correct terms doesn’t make you an expert anymore than knowing body parts makes you a doctor.

Omg, exactly. These are no doubt the same guys who won’t trust experts on any other issue too. Dumb as rocks.

HA. So true. They’re the same ones who don’t trust the medical experts about COVID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

What is you want exactly? For posters to just start dropping random facts on random topics? Firearms and ballistics are quite broad subjects. If you have a question about either, then throw it out and there and knowledgeable posters can respond to it. But the PP was right -- this chat is rife with incorrect statements about guns. What happened this week was an unspeakable tragedy. Maybe now is the time to have an informed public debate about reasonable steps that can be taken to prevent these things from continuing to happen. But it needs to be an "informed" debate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

What is you want exactly? For posters to just start dropping random facts on random topics? Firearms and ballistics are quite broad subjects. If you have a question about either, then throw it out and there and knowledgeable posters can respond to it. But the PP was right -- this chat is rife with incorrect statements about guns. What happened this week was an unspeakable tragedy. Maybe now is the time to have an informed public debate about reasonable steps that can be taken to prevent these things from continuing to happen. But it needs to be an "informed" debate.

What specific fact about guns would be relevant? What specifically do you think John Q Public needs to know that would really be relevant.

They are made for one purpose. To kill. Sure you can target practice with them but they are made to kill. No guns should be exempt from regulation and the vast majority should not be available to the public.

You gun nutsos are so FOS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

What is you want exactly? For posters to just start dropping random facts on random topics? Firearms and ballistics are quite broad subjects. If you have a question about either, then throw it out and there and knowledgeable posters can respond to it. But the PP was right -- this chat is rife with incorrect statements about guns. What happened this week was an unspeakable tragedy. Maybe now is the time to have an informed public debate about reasonable steps that can be taken to prevent these things from continuing to happen. But it needs to be an "informed" debate.

It is extremely American to behave as if this is a unique, complicated problem with no easy answers, so oh no! it can't be solved.

Almost every developed country in the world has strict gun laws in place that SOMEHOW limit the acquisition of deadly weapons. We don't have to reinvent the wheel here. The problem is not figuring out how to describe weaponry accurately. The problem is structural, not specific to this issue. Pretending that this is about getting the vocabulary of ballistics right is a form of distraction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

What is you want exactly? For posters to just start dropping random facts on random topics? Firearms and ballistics are quite broad subjects. If you have a question about either, then throw it out and there and knowledgeable posters can respond to it. But the PP was right -- this chat is rife with incorrect statements about guns. What happened this week was an unspeakable tragedy. Maybe now is the time to have an informed public debate about reasonable steps that can be taken to prevent these things from continuing to happen. But it needs to be an "informed" debate.

It is extremely American to behave as if this is a unique, complicated problem with no easy answers, so oh no! it can't be solved.

Almost every developed country in the world has strict gun laws in place that SOMEHOW limit the acquisition of deadly weapons. We don't have to reinvent the wheel here. The problem is not figuring out how to describe weaponry accurately. The problem is structural, not specific to this issue. Pretending that this is about getting the vocabulary of ballistics right is a form of distraction.

It’s also a form of control. These gun guys are all about power and it makes them feel special. So rather than address the obvious issues (guns and toxic masculinity) they look for more ways to feel good about themselves. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

Yea, the insulting for using the wrong term is ridiculous.

It’s like when I had a “discussion” with someone who was ranting about DUI laws being unfair, and when I said a shot was 1 ounce, they exclaimed “no! A shot is 1.5 ounces! See, you know nothing and therefore everything you say is invalid!” As if knowing everything there is to know about alcohol is something to be proud of. Same with guns. Knowing all the correct terms doesn’t make you an expert anymore than knowing body parts makes you a doctor.

Omg, exactly. These are no doubt the same guys who won’t trust experts on any other issue too. Dumb as rocks.

HA. So true. They’re the same ones who don’t trust the medical experts about COVID.

Yup. Probably hate vaccines, love horse paste.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

They don’t have facts. I know exactly the type. When you point out real facts, like that nearly all of the deadliest shootings used a semi-automatic rifle/AR-15, they talk about completely unrelated things like hunting and meat.

They claim you need an official, scientific study to prove guns are the problem, without having any basic understanding of the scientific method and how you can’t perform a controlled, double blind study on mass shootings. They just throw their hands up in the air and say “if only people raised their kids better!”

Whatever facts you present, they’ll point out something not even remotely related and think they won. I was talking with a pro-massacre relative the other day who said more people are killed by cars than guns. I pulled up actual statistics on how gun deaths have now surpassed car deaths and are climbing. They then said “we’ll more people are INJURED by cars, so ha! Cars are a bigger problem!” And they think that’s a legit argument. As if whiplash is just as bad as children being massacred.

You can’t win with these people. They’re dumb. I would rather they just be upfront and say “yes, we know people are murdered at extremely high rates and we’ve decided owning these weapons is worth that price”. Then we can recognize it’s a character and values problem, and deal with them appropriately.

This. Rather than admit they have a gun fetish, they’ll try to insult you for using the wrong term for whatever death toy they love. Stupid psychopaths.

Yea, the insulting for using the wrong term is ridiculous.

It’s like when I had a “discussion” with someone who was ranting about DUI laws being unfair, and when I said a shot was 1 ounce, they exclaimed “no! A shot is 1.5 ounces! See, you know nothing and therefore everything you say is invalid!” As if knowing everything there is to know about alcohol is something to be proud of. Same with guns. Knowing all the correct terms doesn’t make you an expert anymore than knowing body parts makes you a doctor.

Omg, exactly. These are no doubt the same guys who won’t trust experts on any other issue too. Dumb as rocks.

HA. So true. They’re the same ones who don’t trust the medical experts about COVID.

Yup. Probably hate vaccines, love horse paste.

Some problems take care of themselves.