My hot take - if you own an AR-15 you have a few loose screws

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Anonymous wrote:I know a dozen people with AR15s. None of them have a screw loose except my brother, and he’s not dangerous, just a religious fundamentalist.

They are really fun to shoot, so I can see the appeal for sport. I’ve shot one a few times. I’d be happy if they were banned tomorrow, but it’s disengenuous to infer anyone who has one is a lunatic. It also makes you seem really closed-minded. It would be much more effective to say “hey, I know this thing is fun and I can see the appeal, but it’s currently impossible to keep schools safe right now with them readily available…why don’t we close down sales of assault weapons and meanwhile use that 100 billion of unused COVID relief school have just sitting there to update safety measures and hire more and better trained security at the same time.”

You really think if people just asked nicely that everyone you know who owns an AR-15 would willingly turn it over? I highly doubt that.

We don’t really need that. Just stopping sales of new ones would be a huge help…incremental change. You aren’t going to get a full ban or a government confiscation, that will NEVER happen. Why not consider what might actually be possible?

I know, I know. All or nothing. Which is why Dems can’t get an effing thing done right now. Congrats on being completely ineffective, Biden admin! So frustrating as a moderate who thought that was what we voted for.

There are at least two Democratic senators who, for whatever reason, are effectively Republicans, and the Republicans themselves have no interest in governance and are never punished for that.

So… that is why the Biden administration cannot get anything done.

Continue living in that delusion, going for full gun bans, and we’ll end up in the same place we are today with nothing done after Sandy Hook.

Sandy Hook was hardly “full gun bans”. Wasn’t it only universal background check? Which should have been a slam dunk.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

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“Not good for hunting.” Depends on the game. The 5.56x45 cartridge is considered a “varmint” round, typically used to get rid of prairie dogs and the like. It is ordinarily viewed as inadequate for deer or larger animals. It does OK against feral swine.

“Disintegrate the trophy or meat.” You’ve been watching too many movies. They’re bullets, not hand grenades.

“the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.”. I don’t know how you’re measuring “power,” but a 5.56 round actually is less likely than a 9mm to penetrate drywall and framing; if you’re “potentially hitting your family” you’re violating Safety Rule no. 4: “be sure of your target and what’s beyond it.”

“Assault rifle.” An AR15 lacks fully automatic capability. It cannot, by any definition, be an “assault weapon.” It is no different in operation than numerous other rifles, many if not most of them predating WWII. It just “looks scary.”

Target shooting is a sport. It is difficult. It requires study, training, practice and self-discipline. The AR15 is the gun of choice for “high power” and “service rifle” competition, where people challenge themselves to place those tiny little bullets precisely at distances up to 600 yards, without (until recently) any optical aids — only “iron sights.”

Self defense is a natural right. The right to self defense Carrie’s with it the right to the efficacious means of self defense.

Instead of blaming inanimate objects you know nothing about, and disparaging people with interests (and self discipline) you do not share, why don’t you ask yourself (1) why are these shootings occurring now, when guns are heavily regulated, instead of in the past, when a person could buy a gun cash and carry at the local K-Mart with no regulation or records; (2) why, after too many such events, schools are still sitting ducks for demented, evil, sick people — other places are secure; why aren’t schools; (3) why are there so many demented, evil, sick people who think it’s appropriate or desirable to do such things — what is making them that way; (4) why are the perpetrators of these things not being identified in advance — in the vast majority of cases their crimes surprise no one who knew them.

What a bunch of uninformed drivel. The real gun experts should kick you out of their club.

Instead of being a jackass, why don't you point to which of OP's statements you think are wrong and explain why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reading the news reports, the bad guy could have been in the classroom with a baseball bat and a fake gun and done as much damage because the cops refused to enter for an hour.

So much for Texans being tough and all that. What a terrible fiasco for everyone.

absolutely not. Damage from AR15 is horrific, way worse than a normal handgun, a knife or baseball bat. Ask doctors who have treated AR15 victims.

And what exactly is a "normal" handgun? If you think the damage from an AR-15 round is "way worse" than a .44 or .45, you're out of your mind.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a dozen people with AR15s. None of them have a screw loose except my brother, and he’s not dangerous, just a religious fundamentalist.

They are really fun to shoot, so I can see the appeal for sport. I’ve shot one a few times. I’d be happy if they were banned tomorrow, but it’s disengenuous to infer anyone who has one is a lunatic. It also makes you seem really closed-minded. It would be much more effective to say “hey, I know this thing is fun and I can see the appeal, but it’s currently impossible to keep schools safe right now with them readily available…why don’t we close down sales of assault weapons and meanwhile use that 100 billion of unused COVID relief school have just sitting there to update safety measures and hire more and better trained security at the same time.”

You really think if people just asked nicely that everyone you know who owns an AR-15 would willingly turn it over? I highly doubt that.

We don’t really need that. Just stopping sales of new ones would be a huge help…incremental change. You aren’t going to get a full ban or a government confiscation, that will NEVER happen. Why not consider what might actually be possible?

I know, I know. All or nothing. Which is why Dems can’t get an effing thing done right now. Congrats on being completely ineffective, Biden admin! So frustrating as a moderate who thought that was what we voted for.

There are at least two Democratic senators who, for whatever reason, are effectively Republicans, and the Republicans themselves have no interest in governance and are never punished for that.

So… that is why the Biden administration cannot get anything done.

Continue living in that delusion, going for full gun bans, and we’ll end up in the same place we are today with nothing done after Sandy Hook.

Nothing done? Connecticut made a number of significant changes to its gun laws after Sandy Hook. The package of laws were brought about by that state’s Democrat-dominated legislature without any debate, and signed into law by former Governor Malloy without hesitation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reading the news reports, the bad guy could have been in the classroom with a baseball bat and a fake gun and done as much damage because the cops refused to enter for an hour.

So much for Texans being tough and all that. What a terrible fiasco for everyone.

absolutely not. Damage from AR15 is horrific, way worse than a normal handgun, a knife or baseball bat. Ask doctors who have treated AR15 victims.

And what exactly is a "normal" handgun? If you think the damage from an AR-15 round is "way worse" than a .44 or .45, you're out of your mind.

Can you semi-accurately fire a .45 caliber weapon at a rate of 1 per second? Because that’s what you can do with an AR-15, which is why it’s so deadly (low recoil + high velocity + speed of firing = human lawnmower)

The recoil on a .45 caliber is huge.

[Anonymous]

Are you allowed to bring an AR-15 to a gun range?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

“Not good for hunting.” Depends on the game. The 5.56x45 cartridge is considered a “varmint” round, typically used to get rid of prairie dogs and the like. It is ordinarily viewed as inadequate for deer or larger animals. It does OK against feral swine.

“Disintegrate the trophy or meat.” You’ve been watching too many movies. They’re bullets, not hand grenades.

“the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.”. I don’t know how you’re measuring “power,” but a 5.56 round actually is less likely than a 9mm to penetrate drywall and framing; if you’re “potentially hitting your family” you’re violating Safety Rule no. 4: “be sure of your target and what’s beyond it.”

“Assault rifle.” An AR15 lacks fully automatic capability. It cannot, by any definition, be an “assault weapon.” It is no different in operation than numerous other rifles, many if not most of them predating WWII. It just “looks scary.”

Target shooting is a sport. It is difficult. It requires study, training, practice and self-discipline. The AR15 is the gun of choice for “high power” and “service rifle” competition, where people challenge themselves to place those tiny little bullets precisely at distances up to 600 yards, without (until recently) any optical aids — only “iron sights.”

Self defense is a natural right. The right to self defense Carrie’s with it the right to the efficacious means of self defense.

Instead of blaming inanimate objects you know nothing about, and disparaging people with interests (and self discipline) you do not share, why don’t you ask yourself (1) why are these shootings occurring now, when guns are heavily regulated, instead of in the past, when a person could buy a gun cash and carry at the local K-Mart with no regulation or records; (2) why, after too many such events, schools are still sitting ducks for demented, evil, sick people — other places are secure; why aren’t schools; (3) why are there so many demented, evil, sick people who think it’s appropriate or desirable to do such things — what is making them that way; (4) why are the perpetrators of these things not being identified in advance — in the vast majority of cases their crimes surprise no one who knew them.

What a bunch of uninformed drivel. The real gun experts should kick you out of their club.

Instead of being a jackass, why don't you point to which of OP's statements you think are wrong and explain why.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to, but I did respond to the “drivel” earlier with actual facts and data, and he bailed. No response from him. Because that’s exactly what his post is - drivel.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree.

You live in an extreme bubble and do not realize it.

What is honestly the reason for owning this style of weapon? People always say we don’t get it, and when we agree, we don’t so explain it, no one ever does. How do we get out of this bubble and hear all sides when one side won’t explain their perspective.

+1. I am genuinely curious about why a regular person (not military or LEO) would own these types of weapons. What is the practical purpose and use of it in a non-military/LE setting? Is it more fun to shoot at a range? It doesn’t seem like a superior option for home or personal protection. This has been asked a few times on this thread — can someone please answer???

OK, I'll bite. DH has one. He collects guns and got it because he thought they might be banned. It's never been shot or even loaded. It's collecting dust in a gun safe. I don't like that he has one (or any guns). And he doesn't even go to the range (has been 3 times in 10+ years). I find it very strange, but at this point I prefer it sitting in our always locked (key and passcode needed) safe unloaded than sold and potentially end up in dangerous hands.

This is actually a very dangerous situation:

- he has never used this weapon
- he does not train at the range, so his marksmanship is likely very poor
- it is “collecting dust”, therefore not being maintained properly (is the same true for your other weapons?)

Remember that statistically, firearms are more likely to be used AGAINST household inhabitants than against an intruder. If he isn’t training, and he doesn’t maintain his weapons, chances are if he tries to use them in a real life-or-death situation, he or your family will get hurt.

I see your point but it is never going to be used. The guns aren't for home protection. The way we have them stored would preclude that. All guns are stored unloaded and bullets are stored in a separate safe (each safe requires both a key and a passcode).

That just proves the PP’s point. There is no practical reason to have these weapons. “Collective dust and never going to be used” is not a good reason to own them nor for them to be legal.

I completely agree there is no point in having them in my home and I would 100% support them being banned and would turn them in.

So then pack them in your car and drive them to your local police station and say you want these items out of your house today. If you don't do this, you are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know a dozen people with AR15s. None of them have a screw loose except my brother, and he’s not dangerous, just a religious fundamentalist.

They are really fun to shoot, so I can see the appeal for sport. I’ve shot one a few times. I’d be happy if they were banned tomorrow, but it’s disengenuous to infer anyone who has one is a lunatic. It also makes you seem really closed-minded. It would be much more effective to say “hey, I know this thing is fun and I can see the appeal, but it’s currently impossible to keep schools safe right now with them readily available…why don’t we close down sales of assault weapons and meanwhile use that 100 billion of unused COVID relief school have just sitting there to update safety measures and hire more and better trained security at the same time.”

You really think if people just asked nicely that everyone you know who owns an AR-15 would willingly turn it over? I highly doubt that.

We don’t really need that. Just stopping sales of new ones would be a huge help…incremental change. You aren’t going to get a full ban or a government confiscation, that will NEVER happen. Why not consider what might actually be possible?

I know, I know. All or nothing. Which is why Dems can’t get an effing thing done right now. Congrats on being completely ineffective, Biden admin! So frustrating as a moderate who thought that was what we voted for.

There are at least two Democratic senators who, for whatever reason, are effectively Republicans, and the Republicans themselves have no interest in governance and are never punished for that.

So… that is why the Biden administration cannot get anything done.

Continue living in that delusion, going for full gun bans, and we’ll end up in the same place we are today with nothing done after Sandy Hook.

Nothing done? Connecticut made a number of significant changes to its gun laws after Sandy Hook. The package of laws were brought about by that state’s Democrat-dominated legislature without any debate, and signed into law by former Governor Malloy without hesitation.

Like most other first world.natuons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In reading the news reports, the bad guy could have been in the classroom with a baseball bat and a fake gun and done as much damage because the cops refused to enter for an hour.

So much for Texans being tough and all that. What a terrible fiasco for everyone.

absolutely not. Damage from AR15 is horrific, way worse than a normal handgun, a knife or baseball bat. Ask doctors who have treated AR15 victims.

And what exactly is a "normal" handgun? If you think the damage from an AR-15 round is "way worse" than a .44 or .45, you're out of your mind.

Can you semi-accurately fire a .45 caliber weapon at a rate of 1 per second? Because that’s what you can do with an AR-15, which is why it’s so deadly (low recoil + high velocity + speed of firing = human lawnmower)

The recoil on a .45 caliber is huge.

This, plus the fact that handgun velocities are much lower even if the .45 is a bigger bullet. You're looking at something around 3,200 feet per second on a .223 round versus 830 feet per second on a .45 caliber handgun. They're genuinely deadlier weapons, even if the fact that handguns are cheap, plentiful, and easy to conceal means they're a more common murder weapon. There's a reason that mass shooters pick these guns over larger caliber handguns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you allowed to bring an AR-15 to a gun range?

Yes. The local range has some limits on distances you can practice at.

[Anonymous]

Agree. It is also the weapon of choice for school shooters. There’s not a reason in the world civilians need access to this gun. Being a frail man with a wounded ego is not a legitimate reason. “Sport” is not a reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree or disagree? It's not a good gun for hunting - you'll disintegrate the trophy or meat. It's actually pretty terrible for home defense, as the the firearm is 4x more powerful than a 9mm handgun and will go through multiple walls and potentially hit your family.

So that really comes down to two reasons: (1) you intend to massacre a group of people as quickly and efficiently as possible or (2) because you LARP as an "operator" and somehow that gives you a sense of self-worth and confidence.

There's no reason to own this fire arm, unless you're a bit of a nutcase.

The. End.

Why would an AR-15 "disintegrate" the meat? I don't think you really understand how firearms work. I'm no fan of the AR-15, but many models fire the same cartridges as a hunting rifle.

There appears to be a ton of bad information, even completely mad up nonsense like disintegrating meat and “ban the sweet spot,” in this thread.

I don’t think we should wildly start banning things before we even understand the underlying facts (and this thread is full of bad facts).

Ok. Share your facts. Let’s discuss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As long as the law allows it, it's not for me to judge. No, I don't own one, I don't ever will.

Laws are only invented after someone does something horrible.

I don’t think you said what you wanted to say. What you said supports the 2A.