If your church's doctrine says homosexuality is a sin, but your DC is gay

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Anonymous wrote:Do you believe it's a sin? If you do, choose church. Otherwise, choose kid.

WHAT the HE**!

NO! WRONG! Your child ALWAYS!

I can’t even believe that this is question😩🥲

It shouldn’t be a question. Nevertheless, it is. This is why religion is the worst thing man has ever created. Wars, crusades, forced conversions, Holocaust, torture, all because of religion. John Lennon was right in his song “Imagine.” If there were no religion, there would be nothing to kill or die for. For thousands of years people have gone to war over a tiny strip of barren middle eastern land that doesn’t even have any oil. How stupid is that?

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Why would you belong to an institution based on hate to begin with? Pretty disgusting for you to contribute to that, even more so if you only care about your own child and not the others who you are hating on.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why anyone would not love and support their child because some bloke wrote that it was an abomination hundreds of years ago. Why is there so much hatred and intolerance in religion? Isn’t it time for a change? My daughter’s religion teacher won’t allow the word ‘gay’ in her classroom- unbelievable….

This is why atheism is so wonderful. Leviticus 18 says “and the Lord spake unto Moses saying . . . .” If you believe this, one must believe that homosexuality is an abomination. We atheists have no need to believe such nonsense.

That’s hearsay.

Was the writer of Leviticus there when god spoke to Moses. Nope! Some things get lost in translation.

Yep, Leviticus was out on paper, what, 500 or 800 years BC. Way after Moses.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

Not all translations of Leviticus say homosexuality is an abomination

You're right, some say it is detestable or repulsive or defiled. But they all agree it's a sin. Leviticus 18:22

Well given that Jesus essentially tossed most of Leviticus (burnt offerings, clothing and dietary rules), it’s amazing some Christian denominations continue to focus on homosexuality.

When you say "tossed," is there a verse or verses in the new testament you could point me to that shows this?

No, he can’t. Jesus never broke any Jewish law. Matthew 5:17.

PP here. So many examples.

Matthew 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a](A) 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.(B) 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.(C)

Matthew 16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

And Jesus hung out with unclean tax collectors and prostitutes. And communion replacing burnt offerings. And so on.

When Jesus talks in Matthew 5:17 about “fulfilling the law and the prophets” he is talking about a new covenant with God, one that’s less about ritual. See Matthew 35 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Emphasis on the word “test”—Jesus outwitted the Sadducee and still got his message across. We hear this in the sermon every time these passages are read.

And if that doesn’t work for you, then let’s look at how you yourself practice Leviticus. PP, do you mix cotton and wool and nylon in your clothing? Do you offer up animals? No? Then why are you focused on just one line?

There are no examples here at all. For example, the “eye for eye” had long been discounted by the Pharisees. Jesus commanded that we obey Leviticus. Matthew 8:4.

What a lame answer. Take another look at the examples, stop parroting a single verse, and try again.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

Not all translations of Leviticus say homosexuality is an abomination

You're right, some say it is detestable or repulsive or defiled. But they all agree it's a sin. Leviticus 18:22

Well given that Jesus essentially tossed most of Leviticus (burnt offerings, clothing and dietary rules), it’s amazing some Christian denominations continue to focus on homosexuality.

When you say "tossed," is there a verse or verses in the new testament you could point me to that shows this?

No, he can’t. Jesus never broke any Jewish law. Matthew 5:17.

PP here. So many examples.

Matthew 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a](A) 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.(B) 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.(C)

Matthew 16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

And Jesus hung out with unclean tax collectors and prostitutes. And communion replacing burnt offerings. And so on.

When Jesus talks in Matthew 5:17 about “fulfilling the law and the prophets” he is talking about a new covenant with God, one that’s less about ritual. See Matthew 35 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Emphasis on the word “test”—Jesus outwitted the Sadducee and still got his message across. We hear this in the sermon every time these passages are read.

And if that doesn’t work for you, then let’s look at how you yourself practice Leviticus. PP, do you mix cotton and wool and nylon in your clothing? Do you offer up animals? No? Then why are you focused on just one line?

There are no examples here at all. For example, the “eye for eye” had long been discounted by the Pharisees. Jesus commanded that we obey Leviticus. Matthew 8:4.

What a lame answer. Take another look at the examples, stop parroting a single verse, and try again.

OK, Luke 5:14. Mark 1:44.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

Not all translations of Leviticus say homosexuality is an abomination

You're right, some say it is detestable or repulsive or defiled. But they all agree it's a sin. Leviticus 18:22

Well given that Jesus essentially tossed most of Leviticus (burnt offerings, clothing and dietary rules), it’s amazing some Christian denominations continue to focus on homosexuality.

When you say "tossed," is there a verse or verses in the new testament you could point me to that shows this?

No, he can’t. Jesus never broke any Jewish law. Matthew 5:17.

PP here. So many examples.

Matthew 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a](A) 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.(B) 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.(C)

Matthew 16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

And Jesus hung out with unclean tax collectors and prostitutes. And communion replacing burnt offerings. And so on.

When Jesus talks in Matthew 5:17 about “fulfilling the law and the prophets” he is talking about a new covenant with God, one that’s less about ritual. See Matthew 35 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Emphasis on the word “test”—Jesus outwitted the Sadducee and still got his message across. We hear this in the sermon every time these passages are read.

And if that doesn’t work for you, then let’s look at how you yourself practice Leviticus. PP, do you mix cotton and wool and nylon in your clothing? Do you offer up animals? No? Then why are you focused on just one line?

There are no examples here at all. For example, the “eye for eye” had long been discounted by the Pharisees. Jesus commanded that we obey Leviticus. Matthew 8:4.

What a lame answer. Take another look at the examples, stop parroting a single verse, and try again.

OK, Luke 5:14. Mark 1:44.

You’re completely unable to address the quotes above, aren’t you. Leviticus says eye for eye but Christ said no to that. Jesus got rid of levitical dietary rules in the Matthew 16-20 passages above.

You’re also completely unable to answer questions about why modern day Christians and many Jews ignore all the levitical rules about clothing, burnt offerings, and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

Not all translations of Leviticus say homosexuality is an abomination

You're right, some say it is detestable or repulsive or defiled. But they all agree it's a sin. Leviticus 18:22

Well given that Jesus essentially tossed most of Leviticus (burnt offerings, clothing and dietary rules), it’s amazing some Christian denominations continue to focus on homosexuality.

When you say "tossed," is there a verse or verses in the new testament you could point me to that shows this?

No, he can’t. Jesus never broke any Jewish law. Matthew 5:17.

PP here. So many examples.

Matthew 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a](A) 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.(B) 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.(C)

Matthew 16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

And Jesus hung out with unclean tax collectors and prostitutes. And communion replacing burnt offerings. And so on.

When Jesus talks in Matthew 5:17 about “fulfilling the law and the prophets” he is talking about a new covenant with God, one that’s less about ritual. See Matthew 35 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Emphasis on the word “test”—Jesus outwitted the Sadducee and still got his message across. We hear this in the sermon every time these passages are read.

And if that doesn’t work for you, then let’s look at how you yourself practice Leviticus. PP, do you mix cotton and wool and nylon in your clothing? Do you offer up animals? No? Then why are you focused on just one line?

There are no examples here at all. For example, the “eye for eye” had long been discounted by the Pharisees. Jesus commanded that we obey Leviticus. Matthew 8:4.

What a lame answer. Take another look at the examples, stop parroting a single verse, and try again.

OK, Luke 5:14. Mark 1:44.

You’re completely unable to address the quotes above, aren’t you. Leviticus says eye for eye but Christ said no to that. Jesus got rid of levitical dietary rules in the Matthew 16-20 passages above.

You’re also completely unable to answer questions about why modern day Christians and many Jews ignore all the levitical rules about clothing, burnt offerings, and so on.

I am completely able to answer these questions. The Pharisees always claimed that “an eye for an eye” was allegorical and actually meant a fine. When the Romans destroyed the Temple and the Sadducees collapsed, the Talmud, written by the Pharisees, became the accepted law.

Regarding sacrifices. After the construction of the Second Temple, both the Sadducees and the Pharisees agreed that sacrifices could only be made on the Temple altar. In 70 A.D. Titus destroyed the Temple. Since that time, Jews have believed that there could be no more burnt offerings until the Messiah rebuilds the Temple. The Orthodox Jews follow Leviticus. Reform Jews don’t want to. Call them lazy, call them assimilationist. Christians cherry pick what laws they obey.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why anyone would not love and support their child because some bloke wrote that it was an abomination hundreds of years ago. Why is there so much hatred and intolerance in religion? Isn’t it time for a change? My daughter’s religion teacher won’t allow the word ‘gay’ in her classroom- unbelievable….

I’m a CCD teacher, and I don’t talk about it either.
1). I am a volunteer parent. I don’t have a lot of special knowledge about Catholicism.
2). I don’t know how everyone’s family is talking about this at home. If I knew that all Catholic families felt the same way about this, then we could talk about it. But I don’t, so that’s an issue for parents to discuss with their kids, not for me to discuss with the class.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why anyone would not love and support their child because some bloke wrote that it was an abomination hundreds of years ago. Why is there so much hatred and intolerance in religion? Isn’t it time for a change? My daughter’s religion teacher won’t allow the word ‘gay’ in her classroom- unbelievable….

I’m a CCD teacher, and I don’t talk about it either.
1). I am a volunteer parent. I don’t have a lot of special knowledge about Catholicism.
2). I don’t know how everyone’s family is talking about this at home. If I knew that all Catholic families felt the same way about this, then we could talk about it. But I don’t, so that’s an issue for parents to discuss with their kids, not for me to discuss with the class.

This is why atheism makes so much sense. We atheists have no need to reconcile the Bible with the world as we think it should be.

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Anonymous wrote:Leaving a church means leaving more than the church - it means leaving a social network and support system. It's not like walking down the street and joining another church is going to bring that back.

I don't believe evangelicals are known for supporting the gray community. Neither are MAGA Catholics.

I question whether either are actually Christians!

Yes, they are Christians and yes, Leviticus says homosexuality is an abomination. This is one of the many reasons atheism makes so much sense.

Not all translations of Leviticus say homosexuality is an abomination

You're right, some say it is detestable or repulsive or defiled. But they all agree it's a sin. Leviticus 18:22

Well given that Jesus essentially tossed most of Leviticus (burnt offerings, clothing and dietary rules), it’s amazing some Christian denominations continue to focus on homosexuality.

When you say "tossed," is there a verse or verses in the new testament you could point me to that shows this?

No, he can’t. Jesus never broke any Jewish law. Matthew 5:17.

PP here. So many examples.

Matthew 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a](A) 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.(B) 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.(C)

Matthew 16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

And Jesus hung out with unclean tax collectors and prostitutes. And communion replacing burnt offerings. And so on.

When Jesus talks in Matthew 5:17 about “fulfilling the law and the prophets” he is talking about a new covenant with God, one that’s less about ritual. See Matthew 35 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Emphasis on the word “test”—Jesus outwitted the Sadducee and still got his message across. We hear this in the sermon every time these passages are read.

And if that doesn’t work for you, then let’s look at how you yourself practice Leviticus. PP, do you mix cotton and wool and nylon in your clothing? Do you offer up animals? No? Then why are you focused on just one line?

There are no examples here at all. For example, the “eye for eye” had long been discounted by the Pharisees. Jesus commanded that we obey Leviticus. Matthew 8:4.

What a lame answer. Take another look at the examples, stop parroting a single verse, and try again.

OK, Luke 5:14. Mark 1:44.

You’re completely unable to address the quotes above, aren’t you. Leviticus says eye for eye but Christ said no to that. Jesus got rid of levitical dietary rules in the Matthew 16-20 passages above.

You’re also completely unable to answer questions about why modern day Christians and many Jews ignore all the levitical rules about clothing, burnt offerings, and so on.

Jesus never got rid of the dietary rules.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why anyone would not love and support their child because some bloke wrote that it was an abomination hundreds of years ago. Why is there so much hatred and intolerance in religion? Isn’t it time for a change? My daughter’s religion teacher won’t allow the word ‘gay’ in her classroom- unbelievable….

I’m a CCD teacher, and I don’t talk about it either.
1). I am a volunteer parent. I don’t have a lot of special knowledge about Catholicism.
2). I don’t know how everyone’s family is talking about this at home. If I knew that all Catholic families felt the same way about this, then we could talk about it. But I don’t, so that’s an issue for parents to discuss with their kids, not for me to discuss with the class.

This is why atheism makes so much sense. We atheists have no need to reconcile the Bible with the world as we think it should be.

Do you commonly find yourself talking to a group of ten year olds about kindness and humility as an atheist? Is anyone talking to your kids about it other than you and maybe your family members?
What reason would your kids or your atheist friends’ kids give to be kind (other than “it’s nice” (which is exactly the same thing))?

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why anyone would not love and support their child because some bloke wrote that it was an abomination hundreds of years ago. Why is there so much hatred and intolerance in religion? Isn’t it time for a change? My daughter’s religion teacher won’t allow the word ‘gay’ in her classroom- unbelievable….

I’m a CCD teacher, and I don’t talk about it either.
1). I am a volunteer parent. I don’t have a lot of special knowledge about Catholicism.
2). I don’t know how everyone’s family is talking about this at home. If I knew that all Catholic families felt the same way about this, then we could talk about it. But I don’t, so that’s an issue for parents to discuss with their kids, not for me to discuss with the class.

This is why atheism makes so much sense. We atheists have no need to reconcile the Bible with the world as we think it should be.

Do you commonly find yourself talking to a group of ten year olds about kindness and humility as an atheist? Is anyone talking to your kids about it other than you and maybe your family members?
What reason would your kids or your atheist friends’ kids give to be kind (other than “it’s nice” (which is exactly the same thing))?

Because it’s the right thing to do. If someone is kind because one fears that if he isn’t kind he’ll burn in Hell that has no moral value whatsoever. My 14 year old son has always been an atheist and he’s the kindest person I’ve ever met. He isn’t kind because he thinks kindness will get him into Heaven, he’s kind because it’s the right thing to do.

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I am completely able to answer these questions. The Pharisees always claimed that “an eye for an eye” was allegorical and actually meant a fine. When the Romans destroyed the Temple and the Sadducees collapsed, the Talmud, written by the Pharisees, became the accepted law.

Regarding sacrifices. After the construction of the Second Temple, both the Sadducees and the Pharisees agreed that sacrifices could only be made on the Temple altar. In 70 A.D. Titus destroyed the Temple. Since that time, Jews have believed that there could be no more burnt offerings until the Messiah rebuilds the Temple. The Orthodox Jews follow Leviticus. Reform Jews don’t want to. Call them lazy, call them assimilationist. Christians cherry pick what laws they obey.

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So basically, you’re saying Christians and Reform Jews are on the same page wrt not following Levitical rules about eye for eye, etc. Both Christians and Jews got there hundreds of years after Leviticus. For Reform Jews the Pharisees did away with some of Leviticus. For Christians, Jesus did away with eye-for-eye and Levitical dietary and cleanliness rules.

What makes your post strange is that you continue to deny that Jesus got rid of Levitical dietary and cleanliness rules—because you can’t. Jesus said it doesn’t matter what you put in your mouth, it’s not what comes out of your mouth (see quote from Matthew in posts above). Jesus hung out with unclean people like prostitutes and tax collectors, and he let a woman wash his feet with her unbound hair, which was revolutionary in those days. In fact, one of the most revolutuonary things about Jesus was that he fought with the Pharisees over their zealous enforcement of Leviticus, which is why they disliked him.

I’ve heard it said that Leviticus is the first book (some) Jews turn to, and the last book Christians turn to. Except for Christians who are bible literalists, who are a very small part of Christians. Most Christians view books like Genesis and Leviticus as origin stories (some archeologists even find parallels for, eg, the bulrush story in Egyptian myth) and they go to the gospels and acts for how to live.

Are you the poster who spent a semester studying Christianity at rabbinical school in Brooklyn and thinks you know more than Christians? You have a very selective and distorted knowledge of Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why anyone would not love and support their child because some bloke wrote that it was an abomination hundreds of years ago. Why is there so much hatred and intolerance in religion? Isn’t it time for a change? My daughter’s religion teacher won’t allow the word ‘gay’ in her classroom- unbelievable….

I’m a CCD teacher, and I don’t talk about it either.
1). I am a volunteer parent. I don’t have a lot of special knowledge about Catholicism.
2). I don’t know how everyone’s family is talking about this at home. If I knew that all Catholic families felt the same way about this, then we could talk about it. But I don’t, so that’s an issue for parents to discuss with their kids, not for me to discuss with the class.

This is why atheism makes so much sense. We atheists have no need to reconcile the Bible with the world as we think it should be.

Do you commonly find yourself talking to a group of ten year olds about kindness and humility as an atheist? Is anyone talking to your kids about it other than you and maybe your family members?
What reason would your kids or your atheist friends’ kids give to be kind (other than “it’s nice” (which is exactly the same thing))?

Because it’s the right thing to do. If someone is kind because one fears that if he isn’t kind he’ll burn in Hell that has no moral value whatsoever. My 14 year old son has always been an atheist and he’s the kindest person I’ve ever met. He isn’t kind because he thinks kindness will get him into Heaven, he’s kind because it’s the right thing to do.

Maybe you could help DCUM’s snarkier atheists understand this?

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I am completely able to answer these questions. The Pharisees always claimed that “an eye for an eye” was allegorical and actually meant a fine. When the Romans destroyed the Temple and the Sadducees collapsed, the Talmud, written by the Pharisees, became the accepted law.

Regarding sacrifices. After the construction of the Second Temple, both the Sadducees and the Pharisees agreed that sacrifices could only be made on the Temple altar. In 70 A.D. Titus destroyed the Temple. Since that time, Jews have believed that there could be no more burnt offerings until the Messiah rebuilds the Temple. The Orthodox Jews follow Leviticus. Reform Jews don’t want to. Call them lazy, call them assimilationist. Christians cherry pick what laws they obey.

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So basically, you’re saying Christians and Reform Jews are on the same page wrt not following Levitical rules about eye for eye, etc. Both Christians and Jews got there hundreds of years after Leviticus. For Reform Jews the Pharisees did away with some of Leviticus. For Christians, Jesus did away with eye-for-eye and Levitical dietary and cleanliness rules.

What makes your post strange is that you continue to deny that Jesus got rid of Levitical dietary and cleanliness rules—because you can’t. Jesus said it doesn’t matter what you put in your mouth, it’s not what comes out of your mouth (see quote from Matthew in posts above). Jesus hung out with unclean people like prostitutes and tax collectors, and he let a woman wash his feet with her unbound hair, which was revolutionary in those days. In fact, one of the most revolutuonary things about Jesus was that he fought with the Pharisees over their zealous enforcement of Leviticus, which is why they disliked him.

I’ve heard it said that Leviticus is the first book (some) Jews turn to, and the last book Christians turn to. Except for Christians who are bible literalists, who are a very small part of Christians. Most Christians view books like Genesis and Leviticus as origin stories (some archeologists even find parallels for, eg, the bulrush story in Egyptian myth) and they go to the gospels and acts for how to live.

Are you the poster who spent a semester studying Christianity at rabbinical school in Brooklyn and thinks you know more than Christians? You have a very selective and distorted knowledge of Christianity.

No. The Pharisees interpreted Leviticus differently than the Sadducees. The Pharisees saw certain paragraphs as allegorical, but they still considered themselves to be obeying it. The Reform Jews simply don’t obey it.

And no, Jesus never changed the kosher laws. So what if Jesus hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes? Nothing in Leviticus forbids this. Priests hung out with prostitutes. They ministered to prostitutes. They did not have sex with the prostitutes. Genesis is an origin story. Leviticus is not.