Is there no Encanto thread?!

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did.

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did.

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids like this movie, but none of us think the plot makes any sense. I really wish they'd done a better job with making it clearer. It doesn't need to be dumbed down, just clearer.

Agree. Too much going on with this plot. It was a messy story line, from a screenplay POV. And that really affected my affection for this film, which is near zero. The other disappointment was the music. I see others loved the music so obviously it’s subjective. I personally like big cheesy Disney power ballads- Let it Go style. I don’t remember any of the songs in Encanto (I saw it over the weekend).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did.

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

Mirabel is 15. Don’t know why you keep saying 20.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did.

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

The bolded does. And I think it was very well established that Abuela treated Mirabel as "less than" because she didn't have a magic gift. Julieta tells Abuela that she's always too hard on Mirabel, Abuela basically ignores Mirabel except to 1) tell her to stay out of the way or 2) snap at her. This isn't about parents or grandparents having different expectations for different ability levels in their kids. Abuela treated Mirabel like crap because she wasn't perfect. That's abusive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did.

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

The bolded does. And I think it was very well established that Abuela treated Mirabel as "less than" because she didn't have a magic gift. Julieta tells Abuela that she's always too hard on Mirabel, Abuela basically ignores Mirabel except to 1) tell her to stay out of the way or 2) snap at her. This isn't about parents or grandparents having different expectations for different ability levels in their kids. Abuela treated Mirabel like crap because she wasn't perfect. That's abusive.

She didn’t treat her like crap. She just didn’t treat her as gifted. Telling someone to stay out of the way counts as abuse now? What a snowflake you must be. And plenty of people don’t get new bedrooms as they age. To use *that* as proof of abuse is laughable. It’s not like they moved her into the scullery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids like this movie, but none of us think the plot makes any sense. I really wish they'd done a better job with making it clearer. It doesn't need to be dumbed down, just clearer.

Agree. Too much going on with this plot. It was a messy story line, from a screenplay POV. And that really affected my affection for this film, which is near zero. The other disappointment was the music. I see others loved the music so obviously it’s subjective. I personally like big cheesy Disney power ballads- Let it Go style. I don’t remember any of the songs in Encanto (I saw it over the weekend).

How so? It was a pretty simple storyline so I’m surprised at how baffled people seem by it.

The house is crumbling because the magic is dying. The magic is a direct reflection of the relationships between people in the house. Healing the relationships between the people in the house heals the house. Mirabel is the one who discovers this, but she isn’t believed. The house falls down and they rebuild it from scratch with more honesty and understanding and a better “foundation”.

Honestly, it’s probably one of the least twisty and turny plots I’ve seen in a while.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did.

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

The bolded does. And I think it was very well established that Abuela treated Mirabel as "less than" because she didn't have a magic gift. Julieta tells Abuela that she's always too hard on Mirabel, Abuela basically ignores Mirabel except to 1) tell her to stay out of the way or 2) snap at her. This isn't about parents or grandparents having different expectations for different ability levels in their kids. Abuela treated Mirabel like crap because she wasn't perfect. That's abusive.

She didn’t treat her like crap. She just didn’t treat her as gifted. Telling someone to stay out of the way counts as abuse now? What a snowflake you must be. And plenty of people don’t get new bedrooms as they age. To use *that* as proof of abuse is laughable. It’s not like they moved her into the scullery.

The 6 year old got a room. The 16 year old did not. That is abusive. The only reason he got a room was because he had a special gift and she did not. She was the family scapegoat which is a form of abuse. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did. ;'

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

The bolded does. And I think it was very well established that Abuela treated Mirabel as "less than" because she didn't have a magic gift. Julieta tells Abuela that she's always too hard on Mirabel, Abuela basically ignores Mirabel except to 1) tell her to stay out of the way or 2) snap at her. This isn't about parents or grandparents having different expectations for different ability levels in their kids. Abuela treated Mirabel like crap because she wasn't perfect. That's abusive.

She didn’t treat her like crap. She just didn’t treat her as gifted. Telling someone to stay out of the way counts as abuse now? What a snowflake you must be. And plenty of people don’t get new bedrooms as they age. To use *that* as proof of abuse is laughable. It’s not like they moved her into the scullery.

The 6 year old got a room. The 16 year old did not. That is abusive. The only reason he got a room was because he had a special gift and she did not. She was the family scapegoat which is a form of abuse. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

DP, as far as I can see it was the house that was generating the rooms with their special doors and themed decor, not the family... Mirabel did have a room, she just didn't move to a different one. So maybe Casita is the a*hole.

and I'm not the person you just replied to, but it's a bit creepy how you keep saying "I'm sorry for you that you don't see things exactly I do" and implying that they therefore be victims of abuse. It's actually okay for people to have different interpretations of and reactions to a piece of art. You don't need to pity anyone because they don't see things the way you do. I promise you, we're okay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids like this movie, but none of us think the plot makes any sense. I really wish they'd done a better job with making it clearer. It doesn't need to be dumbed down, just clearer.

Agree. Too much going on with this plot. It was a messy story line, from a screenplay POV. And that really affected my affection for this film, which is near zero. The other disappointment was the music. I see others loved the music so obviously it’s subjective. I personally like big cheesy Disney power ballads- Let it Go style. I don’t remember any of the songs in Encanto (I saw it over the weekend).

How so? It was a pretty simple storyline so I’m surprised at how baffled people seem by it.

The house is crumbling because the magic is dying. The magic is a direct reflection of the relationships between people in the house. Healing the relationships between the people in the house heals the house. Mirabel is the one who discovers this, but she isn’t believed. The house falls down and they rebuild it from scratch with more honesty and understanding and a better “foundation”.

Honestly, it’s probably one of the least twisty and turny plots I’ve seen in a while.

Much clearer to me than Frozen 2!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids like this movie, but none of us think the plot makes any sense. I really wish they'd done a better job with making it clearer. It doesn't need to be dumbed down, just clearer.

Agree. Too much going on with this plot. It was a messy story line, from a screenplay POV. And that really affected my affection for this film, which is near zero. The other disappointment was the music. I see others loved the music so obviously it’s subjective. I personally like big cheesy Disney power ballads- Let it Go style. I don’t remember any of the songs in Encanto (I saw it over the weekend).

How so? It was a pretty simple storyline so I’m surprised at how baffled people seem by it.

The house is crumbling because the magic is dying. The magic is a direct reflection of the relationships between people in the house. Healing the relationships between the people in the house heals the house. Mirabel is the one who discovers this, but she isn’t believed. The house falls down and they rebuild it from scratch with more honesty and understanding and a better “foundation”.

Honestly, it’s probably one of the least twisty and turny plots I’ve seen in a while.

Much clearer to me than Frozen 2!

Oh man, that was a narrative mess. Had some great moments, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did. ;'

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

The bolded does. And I think it was very well established that Abuela treated Mirabel as "less than" because she didn't have a magic gift. Julieta tells Abuela that she's always too hard on Mirabel, Abuela basically ignores Mirabel except to 1) tell her to stay out of the way or 2) snap at her. This isn't about parents or grandparents having different expectations for different ability levels in their kids. Abuela treated Mirabel like crap because she wasn't perfect. That's abusive.

She didn’t treat her like crap. She just didn’t treat her as gifted. Telling someone to stay out of the way counts as abuse now? What a snowflake you must be. And plenty of people don’t get new bedrooms as they age. To use *that* as proof of abuse is laughable. It’s not like they moved her into the scullery.

The 6 year old got a room. The 16 year old did not. That is abusive. The only reason he got a room was because he had a special gift and she did not. She was the family scapegoat which is a form of abuse. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

DP, as far as I can see it was the house that was generating the rooms with their special doors and themed decor, not the family... Mirabel did have a room, she just didn't move to a different one. So maybe Casita is the a*hole.

and I'm not the person you just replied to, but it's a bit creepy how you keep saying "I'm sorry for you that you don't see things exactly I do" and implying that they therefore be victims of abuse. It's actually okay for people to have different interpretations of and reactions to a piece of art. You don't need to pity anyone because they don't see things the way you do. I promise you, we're okay.

They could've built her a room. Or asked Casita to create one. She was 16 and in a literal nursery.

And btw, I don't think the PP is any creepier than the "snowflake" PP - they're doing the same thing, but one agrees with you and the other doesn't, so....

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Anonymous wrote:I think subjects of abuse and neglect are triggers for most. Likely our pasts do play a part in how we recognize and resolve abuse in our lives now. I do wish Disney had done a better job showing and handling that aspect of the movie for kids/families who are going through abusive situations/relationships because an apology and song is not the way to heal or move on.

I posted before that I thought the movie was okay but just not that well written, plot wise, because this was such a predictable and poorly executed conflict/resolution—I’m not from a dysfunctional family and have no triggers there. I just want a better plot! The dialogue was cute, songs were snappy, animation was phenomenal. This needed the Pete Doctor touch on the plot, or someone like him, and then it could have been amazing. As it is, doesn’t make my top 5 disney movies, maybe not even my top 10.

What does Pete doctor touch mean?

I liked the movie the first time and liked it more after listening to some of the songs separately. It was hard to catch all the elements the first go through.

I do wish they had spent more time getting a sincere acknowledgement from abuela that clearly explained that sweeping problems under the rug doesn't make them go away. That was clear in the broken foundation metaphor, but overall the apology seemed to move too quickly for so many years of problems.

Pete Doctor wrote or co-wrote Wall-e, Toy Story, Up, Soul and Inside Out. All movies with a lot more going on plot wise and really insightful treatment of the human condition, IMHO.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone upset over the abuse - you do realize parental abuse is part of pretty much every Disney movie, yea?

Cinderella - evil stepmother, no punishment or redemption or apology, Cinderella just gets saved by a prince.

Tangled - evil woman kidnaps baby and locks her in a tower

Moana - parents abuse her for wanting to live her own life, rather than obeying them

Frozen - parents abuse Elsa by expecting her to just suppress her feelings and hide who she is. Abuse Anna by not explaining the situation and letting her grow up alone and isolated.

It goes on and on. It’s just part of Disney movies. Why so upset over *this* abuse?

You have a very low bar for what you consider abusive. Moana and Elsa's parents were protective, not abusive. Elsa's parents didn't understand her poor and were afraid that people would be hurt by it. Moana's parents didn't want her to drown in trying to pass the reef, as her dad's friend did. ;'

Abuela wasn't abusive, either. Have none of you lived in a family where a couple of kids were literally gifted but not all? I did. I wasn't abused by my parents, nor were my gifted sisters. My parents just had way higher expectations for them than they did for me. They still loved me just as much. We all try to please our parents, and that doesn't make us all the victims of abuse. Abuela thought they had a higher calling, and her family members tried to live up to that. That's what Mirabel's sisters literally sing about - pressure to be perfect and letting go of that.

That said, it's not a great movie. I'm just tired of reading all these "Abuela was so abusive and such a villain" posts. She was neither.

Did you hide away from your family? Either figuratively metaphorically or literally because you didn't have the special gift They idealized. Did you sleep in a nursery until you were 20 because you didn't get a room because you didn't have the special gift.

None of that makes anyone abusive!

The bolded does. And I think it was very well established that Abuela treated Mirabel as "less than" because she didn't have a magic gift. Julieta tells Abuela that she's always too hard on Mirabel, Abuela basically ignores Mirabel except to 1) tell her to stay out of the way or 2) snap at her. This isn't about parents or grandparents having different expectations for different ability levels in their kids. Abuela treated Mirabel like crap because she wasn't perfect. That's abusive.

She didn’t treat her like crap. She just didn’t treat her as gifted. Telling someone to stay out of the way counts as abuse now? What a snowflake you must be. And plenty of people don’t get new bedrooms as they age. To use *that* as proof of abuse is laughable. It’s not like they moved her into the scullery.

The 6 year old got a room. The 16 year old did not. That is abusive. The only reason he got a room was because he had a special gift and she did not. She was the family scapegoat which is a form of abuse. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

DP, as far as I can see it was the house that was generating the rooms with their special doors and themed decor, not the family... Mirabel did have a room, she just didn't move to a different one. So maybe Casita is the a*hole.

and I'm not the person you just replied to, but it's a bit creepy how you keep saying "I'm sorry for you that you don't see things exactly I do" and implying that they therefore be victims of abuse. It's actually okay for people to have different interpretations of and reactions to a piece of art. You don't need to pity anyone because they don't see things the way you do. I promise you, we're okay.

They could've built her a room. Or asked Casita to create one. She was 16 and in a literal nursery.

And btw, I don't think the PP is any creepier than the "snowflake" PP - they're doing the same thing, but one agrees with you and the other doesn't, so....

So you are the same person who thinks everyone saying this wasn’t abuse is someone to feel sorry for. The tell is that you keep getting Mirabel’s age wrong.

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Okay brilliant one. How old is this fictional character? Maribel