SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:Random question - at Big’s funeral, his assistant said there was a lot of paperwork to go through. I thigget there may be money issues etc. Was the issue that he left Bridget Moynihan money or is there more to it?

I think the Bridget Moynihan line was tied up-- she probably took the money or gave it to charity. But I do wonder if there is $ reasons for her living in her old apartment. I seriously don't believe she willingly gave up that closet. It's not an either/or proposition-- the stark modern apartment or her walk up.

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Anonymous wrote:I find interesting how incensed folks are on Miranda’s late in life questioning and unfortunate sneaking around but can’t seem to remember how dodgy Carrie has always been in regards to monogamy. It’s a show that’s always included hooking up. What’s with the pearl clutching? Is the the queer factor?

Carrie’s behavior wasn’t cool either. I mean, none of them are people I’d actually want to be friends with, if they weren’t all fictional characters.

+1 I thought Carrie being unfaithful AF was a VERY well done storyline but it pissed a lot of people A LOT. But I also went through a brief period in a LTR when I couldn’t stop hooking up with my ex, so I could relate.

What irks me about this is how pissed off Miranda and the rest of them were when Steve cheated on her fairly recently. It’s not like the four would have thought that was OK if he cheated with a guy.

Even though we thought Carrie was horrible for cheating on Aiden, she hadn't taken vows and we could empathize with her long-standing strong feelings for Big. The bulk of Miranda's SATC arc was about her finding true love with Steve, and because he is such a good guy, it's especially galling to see her blow that up after everything we'd seen them go through together. And for a few orgasms with a crass, constantly baked podcaster? Who thought this storyline would be appealing??

Yeah I think it's her new choice of mate that's the issue. If she fell in love with, say, her prof, and they had an affair, would be more understandable. Brilliant, represents social justice issues she aspires to etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Relationships end. People change. This happens to over half of us.

Yes, Miranda should have ended the marriage before she cheated, but a lot of people dip their toe in the water before ending things. Love/lust is a drug--and people do all kinds of crazy stuff when they're hopped up on it. Good people can be pretty mean in real life.

Anyway, Miranda's storyline seems pretty believable to me. Knowing Miranda, she was probably too uptight to experiment much. And now she's changed and is ready to explore a different part of herself.

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:Relationships end. People change. This happens to over half of us.

Yes, Miranda should have ended the marriage before she cheated, but a lot of people dip their toe in the water before ending things. Love/lust is a drug--and people do all kinds of crazy stuff when they're hopped up on it. Good people can be pretty mean in real life.

Anyway, Miranda's storyline seems pretty believable to me. Knowing Miranda, she was probably too uptight to experiment much. And now she's changed and is ready to explore a different part of herself.

Agree

+1 and it seems sort of strange that people are demanding she be a model citizen on a show that is about people being complicated and imperfect

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Even though we thought Carrie was horrible for cheating on Aiden, she hadn't taken vows and we could empathize with her long-standing strong feelings for Big. The bulk of Miranda's SATC arc was about her finding true love with Steve, and because he is such a good guy, it's especially galling to see her blow that up after everything we'd seen them go through together. And for a few orgasms with a crass, constantly baked podcaster? Who thought this storyline would be appealing??

Yeah I think it's her new choice of mate that's the issue. If she fell in love with, say, her prof, and they had an affair, would be more understandable. Brilliant, represents social justice issues she aspires to etc.

Nya is too smart for this dumpster fire version of Miranda. Plus her husband Andre is hawt

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Even though we thought Carrie was horrible for cheating on Aiden, she hadn't taken vows and we could empathize with her long-standing strong feelings for Big. The bulk of Miranda's SATC arc was about her finding true love with Steve, and because he is such a good guy, it's especially galling to see her blow that up after everything we'd seen them go through together. And for a few orgasms with a crass, constantly baked podcaster? Who thought this storyline would be appealing??

Yeah I think it's her new choice of mate that's the issue. If she fell in love with, say, her prof, and they had an affair, would be more understandable. Brilliant, represents social justice issues she aspires to etc.

Nya is too smart for this dumpster fire version of Miranda. Plus her husband Andre is hawt

Yes, they win the adorable couple award for sure. Worried they'll end up splitting because of the child issue though.


This version of Miranda is...not great. When did she become a fumbling idiot with no moral code? Makes ZERO sense.

I agree with this Pajiba write-up:
"When the first film had Steve cheat on Miranda, it was the first sign that these characters’ lives after the series were being needlessly set adrift by the showrunner. Now, in And Just Like That…, Steve is barely a character. We know nothing about his own life outside of the shell of a marriage he now has with Miranda. They haven’t had sex in years and he’s losing his hearing, a quality that seems to be his only defining trait in this new show.
Miranda, meanwhile, is going through her own journey with her sexuality following a passionate encounter with Che (Sara Ramirez.) Many fans have seen Miranda as something of a queer icon for years and imagined a plausible future where she found love with someone other than a man. The way this narrative is taking shape, however, is tedious and poorly drawn. Che has the dimension of a stick figure (they like comedy and weed and that’s kind of it?) and not much chemistry with Miranda, despite Ramirez and Cynthia Nixon’s best efforts. A show famous for its no-holds-barred approach to sex turned their scene together into a meme. Did it make sense for Miranda? Maybe, but I’m not sure that means much in this series, which feels so hopelessly lost.

There’s nothing theoretically wrong with the idea of Miranda and Steve drifting apart as she discovers a new side of herself in her 50s. Hell, that sounds like it could be fertile grounds for something really interesting. So, why is it so hard to watch? I think it’s because, in order to make this plot work, the writers have turned Miranda and Steve into children. The abject infantilizing of their characters in order to justify an infidelity plotline is cheap. These 50-somethings have been reduced to kids in terms of the way they approach everything. It’s as if it’s too complicated for the writers to create an honest, if prickly and emotionally tangled, portrait of two people who just stop loving one another like that. Instead, Steve has to be reduced to Grandpa Simpson, a yelling and seemingly inept Old Man who it’s totally okay to cheat on.
Why is Steve’s hearing loss a punchline? How has he suddenly totally forgotten how to have sex or talk to his wife like a man who’s loved her for decades? Did everyone forget that Steve’s defining characteristics in the original show were his supportiveness, wit, and f**k skills? Is it so implausible to imagine that Steve is struggling with things as much as Miranda? Apparently, it is. The series doesn’t seem to trust its audience to accept that Miranda can do something like cheat on her spouse without it being motivated by his regression into an exhausting stereotype."

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Even though we thought Carrie was horrible for cheating on Aiden, she hadn't taken vows and we could empathize with her long-standing strong feelings for Big. The bulk of Miranda's SATC arc was about her finding true love with Steve, and because he is such a good guy, it's especially galling to see her blow that up after everything we'd seen them go through together. And for a few orgasms with a crass, constantly baked podcaster? Who thought this storyline would be appealing??

Yeah I think it's her new choice of mate that's the issue. If she fell in love with, say, her prof, and they had an affair, would be more understandable. Brilliant, represents social justice issues she aspires to etc.

Nya is too smart for this dumpster fire version of Miranda. Plus her husband Andre is hawt

Yes, they win the adorable couple award for sure. Worried they'll end up splitting because of the child issue though.


This version of Miranda is...not great. When did she become a fumbling idiot with no moral code? Makes ZERO sense.

I agree with this Pajiba write-up:
"When the first film had Steve cheat on Miranda, it was the first sign that these characters’ lives after the series were being needlessly set adrift by the showrunner. Now, in And Just Like That…, Steve is barely a character. We know nothing about his own life outside of the shell of a marriage he now has with Miranda. They haven’t had sex in years and he’s losing his hearing, a quality that seems to be his only defining trait in this new show.
Miranda, meanwhile, is going through her own journey with her sexuality following a passionate encounter with Che (Sara Ramirez.) Many fans have seen Miranda as something of a queer icon for years and imagined a plausible future where she found love with someone other than a man. The way this narrative is taking shape, however, is tedious and poorly drawn. Che has the dimension of a stick figure (they like comedy and weed and that’s kind of it?) and not much chemistry with Miranda, despite Ramirez and Cynthia Nixon’s best efforts. A show famous for its no-holds-barred approach to sex turned their scene together into a meme. Did it make sense for Miranda? Maybe, but I’m not sure that means much in this series, which feels so hopelessly lost.

There’s nothing theoretically wrong with the idea of Miranda and Steve drifting apart as she discovers a new side of herself in her 50s. Hell, that sounds like it could be fertile grounds for something really interesting. So, why is it so hard to watch? I think it’s because, in order to make this plot work, the writers have turned Miranda and Steve into children. The abject infantilizing of their characters in order to justify an infidelity plotline is cheap. These 50-somethings have been reduced to kids in terms of the way they approach everything. It’s as if it’s too complicated for the writers to create an honest, if prickly and emotionally tangled, portrait of two people who just stop loving one another like that. Instead, Steve has to be reduced to Grandpa Simpson, a yelling and seemingly inept Old Man who it’s totally okay to cheat on.
Why is Steve’s hearing loss a punchline? How has he suddenly totally forgotten how to have sex or talk to his wife like a man who’s loved her for decades? Did everyone forget that Steve’s defining characteristics in the original show were his supportiveness, wit, and f**k skills? Is it so implausible to imagine that Steve is struggling with things as much as Miranda? Apparently, it is. The series doesn’t seem to trust its audience to accept that Miranda can do something like cheat on her spouse without it being motivated by his regression into an exhausting stereotype."

I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

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I was looking forward to watching The Gilded Age but not sure I’m ready to see Cynthia Nixon in a different light after AJLT

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Even though we thought Carrie was horrible for cheating on Aiden, she hadn't taken vows and we could empathize with her long-standing strong feelings for Big. The bulk of Miranda's SATC arc was about her finding true love with Steve, and because he is such a good guy, it's especially galling to see her blow that up after everything we'd seen them go through together. And for a few orgasms with a crass, constantly baked podcaster? Who thought this storyline would be appealing??

Yeah I think it's her new choice of mate that's the issue. If she fell in love with, say, her prof, and they had an affair, would be more understandable. Brilliant, represents social justice issues she aspires to etc.

Nya is too smart for this dumpster fire version of Miranda. Plus her husband Andre is hawt

Yes, they win the adorable couple award for sure. Worried they'll end up splitting because of the child issue though.


This version of Miranda is...not great. When did she become a fumbling idiot with no moral code? Makes ZERO sense.

I agree with this Pajiba write-up:
"When the first film had Steve cheat on Miranda, it was the first sign that these characters’ lives after the series were being needlessly set adrift by the showrunner. Now, in And Just Like That…, Steve is barely a character. We know nothing about his own life outside of the shell of a marriage he now has with Miranda. They haven’t had sex in years and he’s losing his hearing, a quality that seems to be his only defining trait in this new show.
Miranda, meanwhile, is going through her own journey with her sexuality following a passionate encounter with Che (Sara Ramirez.) Many fans have seen Miranda as something of a queer icon for years and imagined a plausible future where she found love with someone other than a man. The way this narrative is taking shape, however, is tedious and poorly drawn. Che has the dimension of a stick figure (they like comedy and weed and that’s kind of it?) and not much chemistry with Miranda, despite Ramirez and Cynthia Nixon’s best efforts. A show famous for its no-holds-barred approach to sex turned their scene together into a meme. Did it make sense for Miranda? Maybe, but I’m not sure that means much in this series, which feels so hopelessly lost.

There’s nothing theoretically wrong with the idea of Miranda and Steve drifting apart as she discovers a new side of herself in her 50s. Hell, that sounds like it could be fertile grounds for something really interesting. So, why is it so hard to watch? I think it’s because, in order to make this plot work, the writers have turned Miranda and Steve into children. The abject infantilizing of their characters in order to justify an infidelity plotline is cheap. These 50-somethings have been reduced to kids in terms of the way they approach everything. It’s as if it’s too complicated for the writers to create an honest, if prickly and emotionally tangled, portrait of two people who just stop loving one another like that. Instead, Steve has to be reduced to Grandpa Simpson, a yelling and seemingly inept Old Man who it’s totally okay to cheat on.

Why is Steve’s hearing loss a punchline? How has he suddenly totally forgotten how to have sex or talk to his wife like a man who’s loved her for decades? Did everyone forget that Steve’s defining characteristics in the original show were his supportiveness, wit, and f**k skills? Is it so implausible to imagine that Steve is struggling with things as much as Miranda? Apparently, it is. The series doesn’t seem to trust its audience to accept that Miranda can do something like cheat on her spouse without it being motivated by his regression into an exhausting stereotype."

A lot people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s regress to teenage-like behavior. They've done 20-30 years of working and raising kids; they say "f#ck it" and start making lots of rash decisions. They quit jobs with no backup plan. They take up booze or pot. They find new "party friends" their own age and leave behind old friend groups. They have affairs. They abruptly file for divorce. They move to Florida.

It happens all the time.

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I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

Agree. Unfortunately. Not to sidetrack this into a relationships post, but my husband has no drive and has lost his finesse:no confidence. Hoping we can shake our own sex life out off it coma….but that scene cut very close to home here. We have actually talked about practicing sex without pressure to get him over the hump, pun intended. It’s a thing….we are only in our 40s and it’s a sex desert.

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I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

Agree. Unfortunately. Not to sidetrack this into a relationships post, but my husband has no drive and has lost his finesse:no confidence. Hoping we can shake our own sex life out off it coma….but that scene cut very close to home here. We have actually talked about practicing sex without pressure to get him over the hump, pun intended. It’s a thing….we are only in our 40s and it’s a sex desert.

I wonder though too. Since Steve and Miranda were so connected sexually in the past, wondering if discovery of her affair will lead to more mature honest conversations between them. Depending on which direction they take Miranda’s sexuality they might end up in a more connected place. Monogamish and kick started in their own bedroom. Che (or others) in or out of the picture.

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I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

Agree. Unfortunately. Not to sidetrack this into a relationships post, but my husband has no drive and has lost his finesse:no confidence. Hoping we can shake our own sex life out off it coma….but that scene cut very close to home here. We have actually talked about practicing sex without pressure to get him over the hump, pun intended. It’s a thing….we are only in our 40s and it’s a sex desert.

I am the PP - and very much same. I love the guy so much but he has just lost all his confidence and mojo, and I feel like there is absolutely effing nothing I can do about this. We watched that scene together and I nearly cried because it cut so close. We're in our 40s, too.

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I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

Agree. Unfortunately. Not to sidetrack this into a relationships post, but my husband has no drive and has lost his finesse:no confidence. Hoping we can shake our own sex life out off it coma….but that scene cut very close to home here. We have actually talked about practicing sex without pressure to get him over the hump, pun intended. It’s a thing….we are only in our 40s and it’s a sex desert.

I wonder though too. Since Steve and Miranda were so connected sexually in the past, wondering if discovery of her affair will lead to more mature honest conversations between them. Depending on which direction they take Miranda’s sexuality they might end up in a more connected place. Monogamish and kick started in their own bedroom. Che (or others) in or out of the picture.

Wouldn't that be great? I hadn't even considered that possibility - but I love it. And your optimism!

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I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

Agree. Unfortunately. Not to sidetrack this into a relationships post, but my husband has no drive and has lost his finesse:no confidence. Hoping we can shake our own sex life out off it coma….but that scene cut very close to home here. We have actually talked about practicing sex without pressure to get him over the hump, pun intended. It’s a thing….we are only in our 40s and it’s a sex desert.

I wonder though too. Since Steve and Miranda were so connected sexually in the past, wondering if discovery of her affair will lead to more mature honest conversations between them. Depending on which direction they take Miranda’s sexuality they might end up in a more connected place. Monogamish and kick started in their own bedroom. Che (or others) in or out of the picture.

Wouldn't that be great? I hadn't even considered that possibility - but I love it. And your optimism!

That would be great, but I don't see it. The affair seems to be part and parcel of Miranda's reinventing herself in her 50s, a move away from the nuclear family and Brooklyn brownstone she never really wanted in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:

I think if you asked people in sexless marriages what to make of that scene where they tried to get it on and it was a miserable failure, you'd find it was pretty realistic. With a new partner you might remember how to do this. With the person you specifically haven't been having sex with for some number of years - yeah.

Agree. Unfortunately. Not to sidetrack this into a relationships post, but my husband has no drive and has lost his finesse:no confidence. Hoping we can shake our own sex life out off it coma….but that scene cut very close to home here. We have actually talked about practicing sex without pressure to get him over the hump, pun intended. It’s a thing….we are only in our 40s and it’s a sex desert.

I wonder though too. Since Steve and Miranda were so connected sexually in the past, wondering if discovery of her affair will lead to more mature honest conversations between them. Depending on which direction they take Miranda’s sexuality they might end up in a more connected place. Monogamish and kick started in their own bedroom. Che (or others) in or out of the picture.

Wouldn't that be great? I hadn't even considered that possibility - but I love it. And your optimism!

That would be great, but I don't see it. The affair seems to be part and parcel of Miranda's reinventing herself in her 50s, a move away from the nuclear family and Brooklyn brownstone she never really wanted in the first place.

Yeah she's at the antithesis stage of that now - but maybe the synthesis stage is where she figures out how to be who she is now, without trashing who she's been for the last 50 years. How to integrate what's new, and what she's learning about herself, into the life she's actually been living.

I really don't know. I hadn't even considered that possibility until the PP raised it = but now I love it, and want so badly for that to be her path. She has a good life, it's just not full right now, and maybe she can bring in what's new without losing everything (or scrapping everything).