Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

Yes, and when you decide that you are going to put your family on television, warts and all, you need to be prepared to accept the consequences in addition to the rewards. Having tabloids file FOIA requests to look for dirt on your family-values son is one of the unfortunate consequences.

[Anonymous]

Wasn't there some kind of sex abuse on The Partridge Family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

No, they do not. Committing sex crimes isn't some kind of "family rights" thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

Some information about where Josh was sent for counseling: http://www.salon.com/2015/06/04/what_would_the_unlicensed_christian_based_sexual_counseling_josh_duggar_underwent_entail/
Do you really still think it was good enough?

[Anonymous]

So far it seems to have worked for him. Should we try it on the school perverts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So far it seems to have worked for him. Should we try it on the school perverts?

Yes, we should. But that would never happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So far it seems to have worked for him. Should we try it on the school perverts?

I don't understand this. What exactly worked for him?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason why the molester needs to be prosecuted is to stop them from repeating their actions. A victim often feels it was only them being abused, but it's not about the victim, it's about the abuser. Five victims for Duggar. Bill Cosby started with one victim, now numerous have come forward. Sandusky at Penn Stand numerous victims. I saw on TV the Brown daughters, the father was abusing 3 of the five kids and each thought they were the only one being abused for years. The reason it is so important to come forward and prosecute is so that there are no more victims. I recall a famous gymnast settled out of court with her trainer who abused her, only to find out 20 years later he was abusjng another young gymnast. She said her biggest regret was taking the settlement money and not prosecuting - because perhaps that might have prevented another child from being harmed by her abuser.

And they don't always get prosecuted. And not all molestors keep doing it once they get caught and/or realize what they did was wrong.

But Josh's sisters had to tell on him several times and his behavior was escalating - that doesn't seem like someone who was going to stop. I do believe that, sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. His wife should take the kids and get out.

The sisters have said they were not aware of what was happening.

The same two who were reading from a script, coached by a PR crisis manager and have had obedience literally beaten into them by a family that puts the blame for sex outside certain strict strictures entirely on women?

In you opinion. Some people take people's word at face value.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

Yes, in my opinion. And in your opinion it is good enough. And a parents' rights have limits. Failing to protect your daughters from a molester isn't a right.

For all we know they did protect them. After Josh confessed again and they took more serious action we have no evidence of this happening again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

No, they do not. Committing sex crimes isn't some kind of "family rights" thing.

This wasn't rape. This wasn't repeated decades long sexual assault. This was some touching that took place over a year that the young man admitted to and felt remorse for. The need to make this worse than it was (and it was serious) is what annoys me most.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

No, they do not. Committing sex crimes isn't some kind of "family rights" thing.

This wasn't rape. This wasn't repeated decades long sexual assault. This was some touching that took place over a year that the young man admitted to and felt remorse for. The need to make this worse than it was (and it was serious) is what annoys me most.

You don't get to dictate the severity and impact of abuse, you know that right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

Yes, in my opinion. And in your opinion it is good enough. And a parents' rights have limits. Failing to protect your daughters from a molester isn't a right.

For all we know they did protect them. After Josh confessed again and they took more serious action we have no evidence of this happening again.

So how man "against" does it take for something to be taken seriously, as not "happening again?"

Because clearly this wasn't a one time curiosity that disturbed Josh enough to stop. We know he molested at least 5 different people, repeatedly. That is evidence alone that it "happened again" (and again and again and again and again)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

No, they do not. Committing sex crimes isn't some kind of "family rights" thing.

This wasn't rape. This wasn't repeated decades long sexual assault. This was some touching that took place over a year that the young man admitted to and felt remorse for. The need to make this worse than it was (and it was serious) is what annoys me most.

Do you think that rape is the only sex crime? This was repeated sexual assault.

Remorseful people don't make incest jokes as adults, on their TV show. Remorseful people don't repeatedly sexually assault people. If Josh just did it once, to once person, as a one time thing... I think that may be different. But Josh exhibited clear sexual predator behavior. As an adult, he clearly did not feel bad about what he did, by making incest jokes on 19 Kids & Counting. I'm horrified at your excuse making.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

No, they do not. Committing sex crimes isn't some kind of "family rights" thing.

This wasn't rape. This wasn't repeated decades long sexual assault. This was some touching that took place over a year that the young man admitted to and felt remorse for. The need to make this worse than it was (and it was serious) is what annoys me most.

You don't get to dictate the severity and impact of abuse, you know that right?

Neither do you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

No, they do not. Committing sex crimes isn't some kind of "family rights" thing.

This wasn't rape. This wasn't repeated decades long sexual assault. This was some touching that took place over a year that the young man admitted to and felt remorse for. The need to make this worse than it was (and it was serious) is what annoys me most.

You don't get to dictate the severity and impact of abuse, you know that right?

Neither do you.

No point in trying to reason with these people. I have no idea why I keep coming back.