Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why the molester needs to be prosecuted is to stop them from repeating their actions. A victim often feels it was only them being abused, but it's not about the victim, it's about the abuser. Five victims for Duggar. Bill Cosby started with one victim, now numerous have come forward. Sandusky at Penn Stand numerous victims. I saw on TV the Brown daughters, the father was abusing 3 of the five kids and each thought they were the only one being abused for years. The reason it is so important to come forward and prosecute is so that there are no more victims. I recall a famous gymnast settled out of court with her trainer who abused her, only to find out 20 years later he was abusjng another young gymnast. She said her biggest regret was taking the settlement money and not prosecuting - because perhaps that might have prevented another child from being harmed by her abuser.

And they don't always get prosecuted. And not all molestors keep doing it once they get caught and/or realize what they did was wrong.

But Josh's sisters had to tell on him several times and his behavior was escalating - that doesn't seem like someone who was going to stop. I do believe that, sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. His wife should take the kids and get out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

[Anonymous]

I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

That's really not true. The parents were both very politically active and very vocally anti-trans and anti-gay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why the molester needs to be prosecuted is to stop them from repeating their actions. A victim often feels it was only them being abused, but it's not about the victim, it's about the abuser. Five victims for Duggar. Bill Cosby started with one victim, now numerous have come forward. Sandusky at Penn Stand numerous victims. I saw on TV the Brown daughters, the father was abusing 3 of the five kids and each thought they were the only one being abused for years. The reason it is so important to come forward and prosecute is so that there are no more victims. I recall a famous gymnast settled out of court with her trainer who abused her, only to find out 20 years later he was abusjng another young gymnast. She said her biggest regret was taking the settlement money and not prosecuting - because perhaps that might have prevented another child from being harmed by her abuser.

And they don't always get prosecuted. And not all molestors keep doing it once they get caught and/or realize what they did was wrong.

But Josh's sisters had to tell on him several times and his behavior was escalating - that doesn't seem like someone who was going to stop. I do believe that, sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. His wife should take the kids and get out.

The sisters have said they were not aware of what was happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

No, I think she's saying it's going to be in the news when your family is on TV, the internet, and every kind of social media that there is, especially when you have claimed to be living the righteous life.

And they sure seem sex obsessed from everything I have read about them. You might want to read more about the Quiverfull and ATI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

That's really not true. The parents were both very politically active and very vocally anti-trans and anti-gay.

On the tv show, 19 kids and counting? Because I never saw that...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

That's really not true. The parents were both very politically active and very vocally anti-trans and anti-gay.

On the tv show, 19 kids and counting? Because I never saw that...

No, not on the show. They did that stuff in their political life. And it was certainly public. She was doing robocalls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why the molester needs to be prosecuted is to stop them from repeating their actions. A victim often feels it was only them being abused, but it's not about the victim, it's about the abuser. Five victims for Duggar. Bill Cosby started with one victim, now numerous have come forward. Sandusky at Penn Stand numerous victims. I saw on TV the Brown daughters, the father was abusing 3 of the five kids and each thought they were the only one being abused for years. The reason it is so important to come forward and prosecute is so that there are no more victims. I recall a famous gymnast settled out of court with her trainer who abused her, only to find out 20 years later he was abusjng another young gymnast. She said her biggest regret was taking the settlement money and not prosecuting - because perhaps that might have prevented another child from being harmed by her abuser.

And they don't always get prosecuted. And not all molestors keep doing it once they get caught and/or realize what they did was wrong.

But Josh's sisters had to tell on him several times and his behavior was escalating - that doesn't seem like someone who was going to stop. I do believe that, sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. His wife should take the kids and get out.

The sisters have said they were not aware of what was happening.

It seems that in all cases, it was Josh himself confessing, not the victims. While the older girls may have only been minimally aware of what was happening, the younger victims who were molested in the laundry room and during storytime must have noticed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why the molester needs to be prosecuted is to stop them from repeating their actions. A victim often feels it was only them being abused, but it's not about the victim, it's about the abuser. Five victims for Duggar. Bill Cosby started with one victim, now numerous have come forward. Sandusky at Penn Stand numerous victims. I saw on TV the Brown daughters, the father was abusing 3 of the five kids and each thought they were the only one being abused for years. The reason it is so important to come forward and prosecute is so that there are no more victims. I recall a famous gymnast settled out of court with her trainer who abused her, only to find out 20 years later he was abusjng another young gymnast. She said her biggest regret was taking the settlement money and not prosecuting - because perhaps that might have prevented another child from being harmed by her abuser.

And they don't always get prosecuted. And not all molestors keep doing it once they get caught and/or realize what they did was wrong.

But Josh's sisters had to tell on him several times and his behavior was escalating - that doesn't seem like someone who was going to stop. I do believe that, sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. His wife should take the kids and get out.

The sisters have said they were not aware of what was happening.

The same two who were reading from a script, coached by a PR crisis manager and have had obedience literally beaten into them by a family that puts the blame for sex outside certain strict strictures entirely on women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

That's really not true. The parents were both very politically active and very vocally anti-trans and anti-gay.

On the tv show, 19 kids and counting? Because I never saw that...

On the show, they were very sex-obsessed. The girls' recent courtships and marriages, including the parents' strong exhibitionism and lectures about sex, were exactly that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tabloid never would have been interested in the Duggars if they hadn't put their family on television. Over and over and over again. And used those television appearances to advocate for their kind of sexual mores and purity. That is why the tabloid is interested, because the Duggars made themselves into public figures by choice.

So you're saying it's ok then.

And really, the duggars are not sex obsessed like people are making them out to be. They weren't all over the tv advocating their sexual values. They talked about it when relevant on their show, but they didn't say everyone should do things the way they do it, and they didn't say anyone was bad or wrong if they didn't do things the duggar way. When I saw their show, they actually acknowledged that their lifestyle wasn't for everyone. Having a huge family is expensive and difficult to manage, but they were exceptionally out of the norm in that they were able to do it.

Another data point toward thinking they are in fact sex obsessed is that they aren't allowed to go to the beach, because of the concern that it may make the men lustful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what happened 12 years ago in the Duggar family was sad and unfortunate. I think they handled it well. I can understand that the parents felt they dealt with the situation the best way they knew how. The girls were unaware. They put safeguards in place. When it happened again, by Josh's admission, they sent him away for counseling. I just don't know what else should have happened in this case.

This was touching over the clothing of sleeping girls. They responded. When it continued and was under clothing and awake, they responded.

Is there anything that someone who understands what the Duggars did here and understands that they did the best they could can say here?

I don't think that's good enough, and don't think they did the best they could. They did not get *real* counseling for Josh. They sent him to a Christian youth camp. Not good enough. And they didn't get any real counseling for the daughters. And locking them in their room isn't good enough, or even a safe thing to do.

In your opinion it wasn't good enough.\ in your opinion it wasn't "real". They as parents thought it was the best choice for the situation they were dealing with. They have a right to make a choice that they feel is best for their family.

Yes, in my opinion. And in your opinion it is good enough. And a parents' rights have limits. Failing to protect your daughters from a molester isn't a right.