Kyle Rittenhouse: Vigilante White Men

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice to all the democrats on this thread: if you haven’t been watching the actual trial and you’ve instead been watching mainstream media for your information about this case, you are not getting correct information. And you honestly sound really foolish trying to argue with people who are watching the actual trial.

If justice prevails next week, Rittenhouse will be acquitted of all charges. That’s from someone who is not a gun nut but has been watching this actual trial.

Some of us have jobs and responsibilities that prevent us from watching eight days of live trial testimony, but you do you.

So just shut up then, and don’t try to tell the rest of us what’s happening with this case when you actually have no idea.

Watching CNN is worse than having no idea, because you’re literally getting an agenda that is completely the opposite of what happened. Hopefully once this trial is over he can sue all of them (and Biden!!) to encourage them to be more responsible with their statements in future. Basically the same as the other kid who was attacked in the media for being racist etc when he was actually nothing but polite to the native Americans. The media is disgusting in this country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice to all the democrats on this thread: if you haven’t been watching the actual trial and you’ve instead been watching mainstream media for your information about this case, you are not getting correct information. And you honestly sound really foolish trying to argue with people who are watching the actual trial.

If justice prevails next week, Rittenhouse will be acquitted of all charges. That’s from someone who is not a gun nut but has been watching this actual trial.

Some of us have jobs and responsibilities that prevent us from watching eight days of live trial testimony, but you do you.

So just shut up then, and don’t try to tell the rest of us what’s happening with this case when you actually have no idea.

Watching CNN is worse than having no idea, because you’re literally getting an agenda that is completely the opposite of what happened. Hopefully once this trial is over he can sue all of them (and Biden!!) to encourage them to be more responsible with their statements in future. Basically the same as the other kid who was attacked in the media for being racist etc when he was actually nothing but polite to the native Americans. The media is disgusting in this country.

I haven’t presumed to tell anyone what’s happening in the trial. My comments to this discussion have been solely limited to asking for clarification from pro-Rittenhouse people when their claims don’t match what I am reading in the media. Each time I have done so, they have been unable to back up their claims with facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice to all the democrats on this thread: if you haven’t been watching the actual trial and you’ve instead been watching mainstream media for your information about this case, you are not getting correct information. And you honestly sound really foolish trying to argue with people who are watching the actual trial.

If justice prevails next week, Rittenhouse will be acquitted of all charges. That’s from someone who is not a gun nut but has been watching this actual trial.

Some of us have jobs and responsibilities that prevent us from watching eight days of live trial testimony, but you do you.

So just shut up then, and don’t try to tell the rest of us what’s happening with this case when you actually have no idea.

Watching CNN is worse than having no idea, because you’re literally getting an agenda that is completely the opposite of what happened. Hopefully once this trial is over he can sue all of them (and Biden!!) to encourage them to be more responsible with their statements in future. Basically the same as the other kid who was attacked in the media for being racist etc when he was actually nothing but polite to the native Americans. The media is disgusting in this country.

I haven’t presumed to tell anyone what’s happening in the trial. My comments to this discussion have been solely limited to asking for clarification from pro-Rittenhouse people when their claims don’t match what I am reading in the media. Each time I have done so, they have been unable to back up their claims with facts.

I missed your questions. Please give us your top 3 questions. Will try to back up with facts.

[Anonymous]

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How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

I personally haven’t seen anyone idolizing him here on this thread. Maybe out in the real world, but I haven’t been reading much news there.
For me, his background is irrelevant. I just hope he gets a fair trial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

I personally haven’t seen anyone idolizing him here on this thread. Maybe out in the real world, but I haven’t been reading much news there.
For me, his background is irrelevant. I just hope he gets a fair trial.

Too bad. With that judge, that prosecutor, and that defense, he's not getting a fair trial.

Oh well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

I personally haven’t seen anyone idolizing him here on this thread. Maybe out in the real world, but I haven’t been reading much news there.
For me, his background is irrelevant. I just hope he gets a fair trial.

Too bad. With that judge, that prosecutor, and that defense, he's not getting a fair trial.

Oh well.

That prosecutor should have been removed from the case. He’s more interested in running for office than getting a conviction. If Rittenhouse is acquitted of all serious charges, as I suspect he will be, it will be because he’s been presenting his case to the cameras, rather than the judge and jury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP. You’re right, except it could very well be counted in the millions. And yes, that’s bad. Rittenhouse is absolutely a bad person who had bad intentions that day. But that doesn’t mean he wasn’t acting in self defense when he pulled the trigger. He should get punished, but I haven’t seen a strong argument for the homicide charges. I fear we don’t have a proper crime or punishment for his actions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone answer PP’s question?

If Rittenhouse was a 17 year old girl who was chased into a car lot by a convicted serial rapist who literally just was released from a mental institution and ended up shooting the serial rapist would any of you seriously be arguing that the 17 year old girl should be on trial for murder? Would you also say stuff like “the girl didn’t even know he was a convicted serial rapist” as a rationale for putting the girl on trial for murder? Would some of you go even further and wish the girl was locked up forever and have prison justice and abuse dealt out to her for killing a convicted serial rapist?

Lets assume all the facts are the same. She has an AR 15, Rosenbaum looks the same but has a different criminal past, protest is the same, etc.

You hypo beggars belief -- no 17 year old girl would put herself in the situation that Rittenhouse put himself in. Rittenhouse's response was not proportional to the threat. He could have and I would expect the girl in the virtually inconceivable hypo you propose to turn around, aim the gun at Rittenhouse, walk backwards toward other people, and call for help. I don't think he should be locked up forever, and I definitely don't wish prison justice on anyone. Rittenhouse didn't know that Rosenbaum had committed vile crimes. My sense of justice would be that he gets the full sentence on count 6 (9 mos) and 5-7 years for manslaughter.

He was not charged with manslaughter, can’t convict on a non charge.

I acknowledge this. The jury will be given a lesser charge instruction on the second killing. Clearly count 6 stands as is.

I’ll never understand how it’s fair to change the charge when you realize you can’t win the case as it is.

I actually share your feelings on this point, but it is where we are in this case.

I think the idea is that if they lose this trial they would charge him with other charges anyway and he would have a second trial. They did ask Rittenhouse if he would consent to other charges being included in this trial and he said he did. Personally I would of said no and made them have a second trial if they were so inclined.

No, double jeopardy prevents a new trial with lesser charges. Maybe the feds could bring on a different case, but the state can’t.

The defense can fight new, lesser charges, and did so with some of the charges. But it’s a risk for them. A jury might decide they’d rather stretch their interpretations of the facts than let him free entirely.

[Anonymous]

OMG, the people supporting Rittenhouse’s “heroic” actions are the same saying that 1/6 Capitol invasion was a nothing burger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG, the people supporting Rittenhouse’s “heroic” actions are the same saying that 1/6 Capitol invasion was a nothing burger.

The 1/6 attack on the capitol was treason, at least by some of the participants. And Rittenhouse is almost certain a racist who was looking to provoke the protestors. But that doesn’t mean he committed homicide. An acquittal on the charges should not exonerate him as a person.