Kyle Rittenhouse: Vigilante White Men

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, the people supporting Rittenhouse’s “heroic” actions are the same saying that 1/6 Capitol invasion was a nothing burger.

The 1/6 attack on the capitol was treason, at least by some of the participants. And Rittenhouse is almost certain a racist who was looking to provoke the protestors. But that doesn’t mean he committed homicide. An acquittal on the charges should not exonerate him as a person.

Yes and the proof he is a racist is he tried to protect property during a totally legit, planned riot.

You guys deserve the crime you get.

Nobody pulling this crap in the south lands and the rural west.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, the people supporting Rittenhouse’s “heroic” actions are the same saying that 1/6 Capitol invasion was a nothing burger.

The 1/6 attack on the capitol was treason, at least by some of the participants. And Rittenhouse is almost certain a racist who was looking to provoke the protestors. But that doesn’t mean he committed homicide. An acquittal on the charges should not exonerate him as a person.

Yes and the proof he is a racist is he tried to protect property during a totally legit, planned riot.

You guys deserve the crime you get.

Nobody pulling this crap in the south lands and the rural west.

Pp here. I’m not sure what you mean by this post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone answer PP’s question?

If Rittenhouse was a 17 year old girl who was chased into a car lot by a convicted serial rapist who literally just was released from a mental institution and ended up shooting the serial rapist would any of you seriously be arguing that the 17 year old girl should be on trial for murder? Would you also say stuff like “the girl didn’t even know he was a convicted serial rapist” as a rationale for putting the girl on trial for murder? Would some of you go even further and wish the girl was locked up forever and have prison justice and abuse dealt out to her for killing a convicted serial rapist?

Lets assume all the facts are the same. She has an AR 15, Rosenbaum looks the same but has a different criminal past, protest is the same, etc.

You hypo beggars belief -- no 17 year old girl would put herself in the situation that Rittenhouse put himself in. Rittenhouse's response was not proportional to the threat. He could have and I would expect the girl in the virtually inconceivable hypo you propose to turn around, aim the gun at Rittenhouse, walk backwards toward other people, and call for help. I don't think he should be locked up forever, and I definitely don't wish prison justice on anyone. Rittenhouse didn't know that Rosenbaum had committed vile crimes. My sense of justice would be that he gets the full sentence on count 6 (9 mos) and 5-7 years for manslaughter.

He was not charged with manslaughter, can’t convict on a non charge.

I acknowledge this. The jury will be given a lesser charge instruction on the second killing. Clearly count 6 stands as is.

I’ll never understand how it’s fair to change the charge when you realize you can’t win the case as it is.

I actually share your feelings on this point, but it is where we are in this case.

I think the idea is that if they lose this trial they would charge him with other charges anyway and he would have a second trial. They did ask Rittenhouse if he would consent to other charges being included in this trial and he said he did. Personally I would of said no and made them have a second trial if they were so inclined.

No, double jeopardy prevents a new trial with lesser charges. Maybe the feds could bring on a different case, but the state can’t.

The defense can fight new, lesser charges, and did so with some of the charges. But it’s a risk for them. A jury might decide they’d rather stretch their interpretations of the facts than let him free entirely.

Didn't the Feds step in after a few southern acquitals during the civil rights era? They charged supremecist murderers with violating civil rights. But RFK was an Attorney General with courage.

Also, on Thursday Kyle's mom went on Hannity and said if Kyle is released he will do it again. https://www.rawstory.com/kyle-rittenhouse-2655547192/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

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DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

Not surprising at all. Americans live in two worlds with two different realities shaped by their political beliefs and the media they get their news from. How we’ve gotten to the point where we’re dealing with two sets of facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

Wow. What kind of bubble is the PP in to claim that "there is no idolizing of KR?" There are literally dozens upon dozens of stores on the web selling "Free Kyle" shirts, flags and merchandise.
PP, if you are truly that clueless you should just stop posting and embarrassing yourself like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

Wow. What kind of bubble is the PP in to claim that "there is no idolizing of KR?" There are literally dozens upon dozens of stores on the web selling "Free Kyle" shirts, flags and merchandise.
PP, if you are truly that clueless you should just stop posting and embarrassing yourself like that.

Free Kyle (not wanting him to be convicted of a crime he didn’t commit) = idolizing him? We must have different definitions of idolize.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

Wow. What kind of bubble is the PP in to claim that "there is no idolizing of KR?" There are literally dozens upon dozens of stores on the web selling "Free Kyle" shirts, flags and merchandise.
PP, if you are truly that clueless you should just stop posting and embarrassing yourself like that.

Free Kyle (not wanting him to be convicted of a crime he didn’t commit) = idolizing him? We must have different definitions of idolize.

DP. Yes, yours is the ostrich version.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

Wow. What kind of bubble is the PP in to claim that "there is no idolizing of KR?" There are literally dozens upon dozens of stores on the web selling "Free Kyle" shirts, flags and merchandise.
PP, if you are truly that clueless you should just stop posting and embarrassing yourself like that.

Free Kyle (not wanting him to be convicted of a crime he didn’t commit) = idolizing him? We must have different definitions of idolize.

DP. Yes, yours is the ostrich version.

I suggest you go look up the definition and report back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, the people supporting Rittenhouse’s “heroic” actions are the same saying that 1/6 Capitol invasion was a nothing burger.

The 1/6 attack on the capitol was treason, at least by some of the participants. And Rittenhouse is almost certain a racist who was looking to provoke the protestors. But that doesn’t mean he committed homicide. An acquittal on the charges should not exonerate him as a person.

Yes and the proof he is a racist is he tried to protect property during a totally legit, planned riot.

You guys deserve the crime you get.

Nobody pulling this crap in the south lands and the rural west.

Please show me what states make it legal to kill to protect property. It’s been established the law in WI says you may only use reasonable force to protect yourself. You can’t escalate the force. I bet he gets off but that’s not justice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do his defenders explain him posing with a known racist group, smiling? I also don't think it was premeditated murder but please stop idolizing this guy.

No one is idolizing him. Doesn’t matter if he is posing with a known racist group or not. Those of us who believe in the justice system and the constitution don’t want to see him convicted if he was indeed acting in self defense. That is all.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans idolize him and you know it.

NP

DP Where are you getting your information? Nobody idolizes KR but a significant portion of the country is mystified by the rush to judgement, the dissemination of misinformation, the willful ignorance and the naked hatred exhibited towards the accused from day one. The endless distortion of facts and the refusal to adhere to the justice system norms of presumed innocence smell of something sinister at work. And then toss in the nut jobs who threaten to burn down the city if the outcome doesn’t go there way and one gets a clear picture of the perversion of justice in the name of……what exactly?

Yep. It is astounding how the actual facts in this case are in direct opposition to the narrative that has been painted by much of the media for the past year.

Wow. What kind of bubble is the PP in to claim that "there is no idolizing of KR?" There are literally dozens upon dozens of stores on the web selling "Free Kyle" shirts, flags and merchandise.
PP, if you are truly that clueless you should just stop posting and embarrassing yourself like that.

Free Kyle (not wanting him to be convicted of a crime he didn’t commit) = idolizing him? We must have different definitions of idolize.

DP. Merely feeling that he is not guilty and should not be convicted is one thing; spending money on a t-shirt to wear so that you communicate to everyone who lays eyes on you that you stand behind Kyle’s actions is a strong political statement. Donating money for his defense = helping him. Buying a t-shirt from random vendors = political statement that you firmly support heavily armed citizens acting as vigilantes, regardless of their abilities or the legalities of their carrying weapons or being on the streets in the first place — IOW, “gun nut.” Regardless of what message the wearers wish to send, that’s the message a sizable portion of the population receives. A sizable subset of that population will see these t-shirts and think the wearer is a Trump supporter.

Wearing such a shirt may not indicate “idolizing” Kyle, but it’s definitely a very public embrace of him.

[Anonymous]

I’m not buying any shirts, but it’s obvious to me having watched most of the trial that this was classic self defense since he was running away and they attacked him and so the kid should walk. I also think the world is a better place without a child rapist and thugs, vandals, and looters in it, so it’s not like there’s any great loss there.

People aren’t buying the shirt because of Kyle though. They’re buying it to show that they are standing up for law and order and justice in this country. It’s a different thing. It’s just like the let’s go B meme isn’t about Biden, it’s about how screwed up the mainstream media is in this country and how they spin everything the way they want. Which is happening here too, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not buying any shirts, but it’s obvious to me having watched most of the trial that this was classic self defense since he was running away and they attacked him and so the kid should walk. I also think the world is a better place without a child rapist and thugs, vandals, and looters in it, so it’s not like there’s any great loss there.

People aren’t buying the shirt because of Kyle though. They’re buying it to show that they are standing up for law and order and justice in this country. It’s a different thing. It’s just like the let’s go B meme isn’t about Biden, it’s about how screwed up the mainstream media is in this country and how they spin everything the way they want. Which is happening here too, of course.

Kyle was not legally permitted to be out on the streets. He violated the curfew, just like the rioters did. He most likely violated the law by carrying the gun that he used to shoot 3 people. This is the difference between people who like “law and order,” (i.e., it’s good when people who agree me use guns to keep other people in line) and people who like “the rule of law,” (if you’re out breaking the law and adding to the chaos and violence and creating more work for the police, you’re no better than the original rioters). You may be extremely unhappy with the way Kenosha’s mayor and police force handled the rioters, but Kyle didn’t make those streets any safer or calmer. Had he stayed home, there’s an excellent chance no one would have died.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not buying any shirts, but it’s obvious to me having watched most of the trial that this was classic self defense since he was running away and they attacked him and so the kid should walk. I also think the world is a better place without a child rapist and thugs, vandals, and looters in it, so it’s not like there’s any great loss there.

People aren’t buying the shirt because of Kyle though. They’re buying it to show that they are standing up for law and order and justice in this country. It’s a different thing. It’s just like the let’s go B meme isn’t about Biden, it’s about how screwed up the mainstream media is in this country and how they spin everything the way they want. Which is happening here too, of course.

Kyle was not legally permitted to be out on the streets. He violated the curfew, just like the rioters did. He most likely violated the law by carrying the gun that he used to shoot 3 people. This is the difference between people who like “law and order,” (i.e., it’s good when people who agree me use guns to keep other people in line) and people who like “the rule of law,” (if you’re out breaking the law and adding to the chaos and violence and creating more work for the police, you’re no better than the original rioters). You may be extremely unhappy with the way Kenosha’s mayor and police force handled the rioters, but Kyle didn’t make those streets any safer or calmer. Had he stayed home, there’s an excellent chance no one would have died.

Wasn’t he awful, preventing the fires that pedophile set from burning out of control and then shooting the pedophile attacking yet another minor (him) when said pedophile became enraged at the interruption of his plans to burn things down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not buying any shirts, but it’s obvious to me having watched most of the trial that this was classic self defense since he was running away and they attacked him and so the kid should walk. I also think the world is a better place without a child rapist and thugs, vandals, and looters in it, so it’s not like there’s any great loss there.

People aren’t buying the shirt because of Kyle though. They’re buying it to show that they are standing up for law and order and justice in this country. It’s a different thing. It’s just like the let’s go B meme isn’t about Biden, it’s about how screwed up the mainstream media is in this country and how they spin everything the way they want. Which is happening here too, of course.

Kyle was not legally permitted to be out on the streets. He violated the curfew, just like the rioters did. He most likely violated the law by carrying the gun that he used to shoot 3 people. This is the difference between people who like “law and order,” (i.e., it’s good when people who agree me use guns to keep other people in line) and people who like “the rule of law,” (if you’re out breaking the law and adding to the chaos and violence and creating more work for the police, you’re no better than the original rioters). You may be extremely unhappy with the way Kenosha’s mayor and police force handled the rioters, but Kyle didn’t make those streets any safer or calmer. Had he stayed home, there’s an excellent chance no one would have died.

Pretty sure that’s not an effective prosecution strategy.