Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel confident SS requested the assistant drop of the cash as ransom, and SS used the dojo as an excuse. Horses, not zebras people.

This. And he is opening up a new business. Dropping off that amount of cash may not have been out of the ordinary for them. For me, you and 99.999% of DCUM it is but these people didn't live a typical life.

Yes, because he is a business owner not just a regular guy. As a small business owner, I routinely got checks for $50k. You deal with greatest sums of money as a business. Many posters are thinking in terms of a regular person, not a business.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't get is how they know he was tortured? I thought I read his body was burned beyond recognition. Maybe we (or some of the news stations) are reading too much into the comments from the police.

They said he had lacerations on his body. I assume his face was burned beyond recognition. In fact, they said 3 people (Phillip, Amy, and Savvas) all had lacerations. The maid did not, she might of been the one they described with a bloody head and the woman they gave cpr to that was alive but died later?

Ok, this is a sick question and I'm crying a little typing this, but if he is burned so badly how can they even tell there are lacerations unless they went really, really deep? Lacerations to me implies relatively shallow slashes, as opposed to stab wounds which would be deep gashes. If his body is burned beyond recognition, how could they tell this?

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Anonymous wrote:13:27 Thank you...under a lot of stress over this and that helps.
I am losing confidence...

13:27 here. I feel the same way. It really is hard to not feel total crushed by sadness and empathy for the victims. If the human experience of birth and death is universal then I hold out hope that we do leave our body behind and don't experience the pain. And if that's the case I only hope that victims of torture and protracted deaths leave their bodies behind as soon as the pain starts.

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if the police are using ng to snag more evidence, who are they targeting? the assistant? who is that by the way? has he/she been identified?

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Anonymous wrote:$40,000 cash scheduled to be delivered to home where 4 murdered

According to Nelitza Gutierrez, a housekeeper working for the Savopoulos family, $40,000 in cash was to be delivered to the house on Woodland Drive last Thursday morning, the day the bodies were found.

In an off-camera interview, Gutierrez says an assistant was scheduled to drop off the cash to be used for the opening of a martial arts center in Chantilly, Virginia. The housekeeper says she spoke with the person who was supposed to make the delivery and he confirmed he dropped it off at the house Thursday morning.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29114637/savopoulos-fire-deaths

I am not on Team The Housekeeper Was In On It, but she needs to stop talking to the press and gossiping about this with other people who are involved with this family and may have knowledge of this case. If she is involved, she is making it really easy for people to catch her in a lie by talking to the fucking press so often. If she's not involved, she is not doing herself or the investigation any favors.

She may just be dumb.

Or the police are telling her to let information out slowly.

Oh I like where you went with that. The police could be using her this way and she is helping them.

She is t trickling this info out without the police agreeing to it. They are on this and releasing this slowing is making the monsters squirm. I am betting on them trying to get the person who knows these monsters to put together "oh wait-- he DID just show up with a large sum of money right after this" and turn them in.

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Where did you hear the voicemail? Seems like someone is saying that the little boy could be heard in the background???

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Anonymous wrote:Where did you hear the voicemail? Seems like someone is saying that the little boy could be heard in the background???

They removed that portion of the audio.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't get is how they know he was tortured? I thought I read his body was burned beyond recognition. Maybe we (or some of the news stations) are reading too much into the comments from the police.

They said he had lacerations on his body. I assume his face was burned beyond recognition. In fact, they said 3 people (Phillip, Amy, and Savvas) all had lacerations. The maid did not, she might of been the one they described with a bloody head and the woman they gave cpr to that was alive but died later?

Ok, this is a sick question and I'm crying a little typing this, but if he is burned so badly how can they even tell there are lacerations unless they went really, really deep? Lacerations to me implies relatively shallow slashes, as opposed to stab wounds which would be deep gashes. If his body is burned beyond recognition, how could they tell this?

Daughter of a forensic pathologist-- you can tell. You can tell how people were sacrificed thousands of years ago. The science is good and even though he was unable to be identified there are a still clues.

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Anonymous wrote:Interview with Houseekeeper 1's husband

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/05/husband-of-slain-housekeeper-in-nw-quadruple-homicide-speaks-exclusively-to-abc7-114107.html

So sad forthis poor man and Vera's children in El Salvador-they seem to be good people.

Yes, you can tell from the housekeeper's photo that she seemed to be a kind person.

My suspicion is that she was the one person whose body didn't show evidence of beating/lacerations, and that she was murdered almost as soon as the psychopaths entered the house. If that's so, then that's at least some small consolation for her grieving husband. Poor man, I really feel for him.

Do we know if Phillip was at school on Wednesday? I was thinking that perhaps Amy left to go pick up Phillip at school (this would probably be around 2:30), leaving the maid there alone. The perps, probably observing the house form nearby, are able to gain entry past the maid and kill her before Amy and Phillip return. They return from school and are ambushed, and then they force Amy to call SS and get him to return from the dojo in Chantilly. It would be interesting to know if Nellie recall SS receiving a call from Amy while they were together in Chantilly. In the article or interview I read, Nellie only says that SS mentioned to her that he had to be home early to take care of Phillip (because Amy was going out), but did he actually get a call?

I think he did not go to school that day because of a concussion. But even people familiar with most of the family's comings and goings would probably not know that.

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't get is how they know he was tortured? I thought I read his body was burned beyond recognition. Maybe we (or some of the news stations) are reading too much into the comments from the police.

They said he had lacerations on his body. I assume his face was burned beyond recognition. In fact, they said 3 people (Phillip, Amy, and Savvas) all had lacerations. The maid did not, she might of been the one they described with a bloody head and the woman they gave cpr to that was alive but died later?

Ok, this is a sick question and I'm crying a little typing this, but if he is burned so badly how can they even tell there are lacerations unless they went really, really deep? Lacerations to me implies relatively shallow slashes, as opposed to stab wounds which would be deep gashes. If his body is burned beyond recognition, how could they tell this?

Daughter of a forensic pathologist-- you can tell. You can tell how people were sacrificed thousands of years ago. The science is good and even though he was unable to be identified there are a still clues.

there is a lot of that stuff in "bones".

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I wouldn't tell my own kids if I had that much money coming to my front door much less the housekeeper.

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If the 40k was preplanned - and if the article is correct that it was for the opening -maybe it was for an opening party? I could see burning through that cash with caterers, wait staff, booze, valet. Could be a horrible coincidence. Unlikely, but possible.

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Anonymous wrote:If the 40k was preplanned - and if the article is correct that it was for the opening -maybe it was for an opening party? I could see burning through that cash with caterers, wait staff, booze, valet. Could be a horrible coincidence. Unlikely, but possible.

At a martial arts studio?

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Anonymous wrote:If the 40k was preplanned - and if the article is correct that it was for the opening -maybe it was for an opening party? I could see burning through that cash with caterers, wait staff, booze, valet. Could be a horrible coincidence. Unlikely, but possible.

no way. spending $40K on an opening party for a karate studio in chantilly should be a crime unto itself.

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I'd like to hear more theories about how the police are controlling the messages, releasing bits of information a little at a time. Is NG working with them on this? Are these details important (e.g. the news today about the $40K drop-off or the horrible detail about the boy's death) or just fill-in facts for the public that wants to know as much as possible, right now?

I keep comparing this to the Rockville murders. Silence for a few days and then -- bam -- they nail the perp 6,000 miles away in less than a week. That was some amazing police work.