Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Some folks are just better than others at this.

Knock it off. You just made a lucky guess this time. Why are you so needy for applause?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

Ah! So you’re a MAGA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Yes, conventional wisdom is conventional wisdom. Those with the ability to see beyond that due to wisdom and foresight are to be applauded.

I admit I thought that there would be a shutdown - but I was convinced it would be short. The Gaetz crew has more hair than political capital.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

Ah! So you’re a MAGA.

I’m a MAGA for observing that McCarthy was able to outplay the MAGAs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

I think you are right. I lost respect for him after Jan 6 when he crawled back to Trump. But this is the second time (debt ceiling being the first) he's proven that when he's really up against it, he puts country first. I'm as surprised as anybody, but very glad that it seems we still have some adults in charge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

Ah! So you’re a MAGA.

I’m a MAGA for observing that McCarthy was able to outplay the MAGAs?

The Democrats saved the day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

We are in a proxy war with Russia. We don’t want them to re-establish power in the former Soviet territories. So we send money (though much of the funding stays internal to the US in terms of defense supplies), and Ukrainians supply the manpower. Pretty good arrangement, really.

NP. I don’t disagree with you but the Admin and Pentagon and State need to make this case publicly on record and Congress needs to publicly debate the pros and cons of this. If that happens I think most would back it.
Heck, Bush and his henchmen at State and in the military at least did this in justifying a war with Iraq based entirely on lies.

This isn't a state secret but it's not something that you advertise publicly. Our current official support for Ukraine is sufficient. The House already voted for the Ukraine aid. They just needed something to complain about during these past couple days.

Your response is why so many in this country distrust the federal government and just gives populists rhetorical ammo.

I mean, is it not obvious this is the reason? They can’t come out and say it because then it’s no longer a proxy war. Obviously, Putin has world domination dreams. What is next after Ukraine? Come on.

Then it’s all the more imperative to debate it. Especially if we are deliberately sacrificing Ukrainian lives for our own ends.

NP. What do you even mean "deliberately sacrificing Ukranian lives"....you do realize that it was the Ukranian's fierce resistance and sacrifices to fight for their freedom the galvanized the West behind them, right? They shocked the world and reminded us of who we aspire to be, the shining city on the hill that put down Hitler, stopped the Soviet Union, and - though it took a long, long time - finally brought justice down upon Osama bin Laden and his ilk.

Correct. PP has such a short attention span that she forgot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

Ah! So you’re a MAGA.

I’m a MAGA for observing that McCarthy was able to outplay the MAGAs?

The Democrats saved the day.

Well, everyone claimed McCarthy would never risk his seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get your lazy cubical 🍑 back to work.

It’s more of a sphere than a cube, but nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

I think you are right. I lost respect for him after Jan 6 when he crawled back to Trump. But this is the second time (debt ceiling being the first) he's proven that when he's really up against it, he puts country first. I'm as surprised as anybody, but very glad that it seems we still have some adults in charge.

Sure. It’s not so much about liking and respect, but actually accurately reporting what’s going in. This shouldn’t be a surprise.

[Anonymous]

I had already mentally committed to a vacation so this is not good news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

I think you are right. I lost respect for him after Jan 6 when he crawled back to Trump. But this is the second time (debt ceiling being the first) he's proven that when he's really up against it, he puts country first. I'm as surprised as anybody, but very glad that it seems we still have some adults in charge.

Sure. It’s not so much about liking and respect, but actually accurately reporting what’s going in. This shouldn’t be a surprise.

PP. I'm not a reporter, so I don't really understand your comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The analysts were giving 70-90% for a shutdown so it is not like people were just making stuff up.

Everyone underestimated McCarthy. The ridiculous story about him yesterday in the NYT made me suspect as much. Instead of impartial political reporting, the DC media establishment prioritizes caricatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/29/us/politics/mccarthy-government-shutdown.html

I think you are right. I lost respect for him after Jan 6 when he crawled back to Trump. But this is the second time (debt ceiling being the first) he's proven that when he's really up against it, he puts country first. I'm as surprised as anybody, but very glad that it seems we still have some adults in charge.

Sure. It’s not so much about liking and respect, but actually accurately reporting what’s going in. This shouldn’t be a surprise.

PP. I'm not a reporter, so I don't really understand your comment.

My comment is that it is naive to decide that McCarthy is weak politically based on ideological beliefs. I get why civilians reason that way, but I expect more from political reporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So will the poster who kept calling optimists “trolls” please apologize?

Apologize for what? A shutdown looked far more likely than not.

Calling people who saw beyond the drama and knew there wouldn’t be a shutdown “trolls.” The optimists were just smarter, I guess.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Some folks are just better than others at this.

Knock it off. You just made a lucky guess this time. Why are you so needy for applause?

Nope. Not a guess at all—just a reasoned, rational prognostication. Moving forward, please, everyone out there, don’t label those with reasonable contrary views “trolls.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still don’t understand why we are finding Ukraine. This is akin to China funding Mexico if the US invaded Mexico after China created an entire defense pact in South America and was hinting for years that Mexico would join.

It’s not about Ukraine, it’s about standing up to Putin. He owns the Republicans and the Dems just shrugged.

Why do we care about standing up to Putin?

You sound like my 3-year old.

Trump has good reason -- his pockets -- not too. The rest of the GOP are following along and many/most don't even know why. It's bizarre.

To the dems got schooled dude..dems wanted this vote 3 weeks ago. Ukraine funding was always up for debate. The Republicans now have on record they only got it done with help. Not a good look.