APS Math instruction

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that NEAP scores are more meaningful than SOLs.

Link for APS? I could only find the VA report.

It's in the OP of this thread for goodness sakes. And no, SOL scores are not going up. At best they're flat and well down from pre-pandemic scores. APS seems just to be waiting for those old scores to roll off the reports so they can pretend the new lower scores are terrific.

Those aren’t the NAEP scores. Are you really sure that the “NAEP scores are more meaningful” if you don’t even know what they are?

I know it doesn’t fit the narrative here but SOL scores did go up:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/arlington-county-public-schools

They changed the cutoff. And they are far below pre-pandemic levels. Look at the plots liked in the OP.

NAEP is only statewide. There's nothing specifically for Arlington.

So a statewide report on 4th & 8th graders is more meaningful than APS SOLs? Ok…

Hasn’t the pass score for SOL always been 400? Link for SOL cutoff changes?

Or is that BS narrative too?

You're definitely mixing up posters. Save your ire and do your own googling.

VA SOL scores are normalized to a 400 score to pass, but the number of questions a student has to answer correctly to get that 400 has been changed by state administrations trying to fluff up their scores.

https://www.mysbma.org/news/13476063

That op-ed doesn’t provide any evidence. Just RWNJ whining.

So do your own searching. There's really no argument that APS math scores are up--Duran literally had to present at the school board meeting that math scores are down and he put this in a district wide email to parents, including a toothless remediation plan to "assess" and support students with the largest need. Do we really need to search for other evidence?

I'm not the one making a claim about SOL score "fluffing". Standardized tests routinely get re-normed.

Again, this is only the second year of MAP testing. It's certainly something to watch and Duran should address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

Recap:
- APS SOL scores have been increasing each year since the pandemic.
- MAP testing is down a bit but it's only the second year with this new test so too soon to draw conclusions.
- Republicans are full of sht and make up lies about math departments and score fluffing.

I’m a Democrat and can tell that scores are decreasing. Cut the crap.

But instead of vouchers, we should increase funding to public schools.

The first step is admitting there’s a problem though.

You can "tell". OK...

Which scores are decreasing? The MAP scores? Again, this is only the second year with this test.

I can “tell” because I’m capable of reading Duran’s slide.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that NEAP scores are more meaningful than SOLs.

Link for APS? I could only find the VA report.

It's in the OP of this thread for goodness sakes. And no, SOL scores are not going up. At best they're flat and well down from pre-pandemic scores. APS seems just to be waiting for those old scores to roll off the reports so they can pretend the new lower scores are terrific.

Those aren’t the NAEP scores. Are you really sure that the “NAEP scores are more meaningful” if you don’t even know what they are?

I know it doesn’t fit the narrative here but SOL scores did go up:
https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/arlington-county-public-schools

They changed the cutoff. And they are far below pre-pandemic levels. Look at the plots liked in the OP.

NAEP is only statewide. There's nothing specifically for Arlington.

So a statewide report on 4th & 8th graders is more meaningful than APS SOLs? Ok…

Hasn’t the pass score for SOL always been 400? Link for SOL cutoff changes?

Or is that BS narrative too?

You're definitely mixing up posters. Save your ire and do your own googling.

VA SOL scores are normalized to a 400 score to pass, but the number of questions a student has to answer correctly to get that 400 has been changed by state administrations trying to fluff up their scores.

https://www.mysbma.org/news/13476063

That op-ed doesn’t provide any evidence. Just RWNJ whining.

So do your own searching. There's really no argument that APS math scores are up--Duran literally had to present at the school board meeting that math scores are down and he put this in a district wide email to parents, including a toothless remediation plan to "assess" and support students with the largest need. Do we really need to search for other evidence?

I'm not the one making a claim about SOL score "fluffing". Standardized tests routinely get re-normed.

Again, this is only the second year of MAP testing. It's certainly something to watch and Duran should address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

Recap:
- APS SOL scores have been increasing each year since the pandemic.
- MAP testing is down a bit but it's only the second year with this new test so too soon to draw conclusions.
- Republicans are full of sht and make up lies about math departments and score fluffing.

I’m a Democrat and can tell that scores are decreasing. Cut the crap.

But instead of vouchers, we should increase funding to public schools.

The first step is admitting there’s a problem though.

You can "tell". OK...

Which scores are decreasing? The MAP scores? Again, this is only the second year with this test.

Duran thought it was enough information to draw conclusions to report to the school board. Are you calling him a Republican?

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Per Duran’s slide: The number of students scoring in the top range decreased quite a bit. Not a great sign.

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Anonymous wrote:Per Duran’s slide: The number of students scoring in the top range decreased quite a bit. Not a great sign.

34.5% to 31.5%? Not sure I'd call that "quite a bit", but OK.

What did other school districts see in the same time frame? Did anything change in the test approach that may have affected scores? It's a new test so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Duran should absolutely address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

That said, I do fully support APS purchasing a curriculum if there is one available that meets the wonky VA standards. (VA DOE should do this IMO)

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Is there any way to pin this post and come back to it a few year later? Your claims that APS is doing just fine aren’t going to age well.

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Anonymous wrote:Per Duran’s slide: The number of students scoring in the top range decreased quite a bit. Not a great sign.

34.5% to 31.5%? Not sure I'd call that "quite a bit", but OK.

What did other school districts see in the same time frame? Did anything change in the test approach that may have affected scores? It's a new test so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Duran should absolutely address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

That said, I do fully support APS purchasing a curriculum if there is one available that meets the wonky VA standards. (VA DOE should do this IMO)

Wait. You said scores are increasing.

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Don’t SOLs start in 4th grade? Couldn’t APS just choose a quality curriculum, knowing that they’d cover the material needed, even if it isn’t “in order”?

Solid instruction from K-3 would produce better scores, no?

Or must certain topics be covered each quarter no matter what the teachers think is best?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any way to pin this post and come back to it a few year later? Your claims that APS is doing just fine aren’t going to age well.

I don't think everything is perfect, but it's also not the disaster narrative that some people are pushing. Certainly not the lies people are trying to spread about DHMS.

I think purchasing a good curriculum that meets VA standards would be great - if it exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Per Duran’s slide: The number of students scoring in the top range decreased quite a bit. Not a great sign.

34.5% to 31.5%? Not sure I'd call that "quite a bit", but OK.

What did other school districts see in the same time frame? Did anything change in the test approach that may have affected scores? It's a new test so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Duran should absolutely address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

That said, I do fully support APS purchasing a curriculum if there is one available that meets the wonky VA standards. (VA DOE should do this IMO)

Wait. You said scores are increasing.

I said SOL scores have been increasing, fckface.

I can repeat for you:
- APS SOL scores have been increasing each year since the pandemic.
- MAP testing is down a bit but it's only the second year with this new test so too soon to draw conclusions.
- Republicans are full of sht and make up lies about math departments and score fluffing.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any way to pin this post and come back to it a few year later? Your claims that APS is doing just fine aren’t going to age well.

I don't think everything is perfect, but it's also not the disaster narrative that some people are pushing. Certainly not the lies people are trying to spread about DHMS.

I think purchasing a good curriculum that meets VA standards would be great - if it exists.

Uhhh they just fired a DHMS math teacher. This week. Math instruction is not going great. Not for students or for teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Per Duran’s slide: The number of students scoring in the top range decreased quite a bit. Not a great sign.

34.5% to 31.5%? Not sure I'd call that "quite a bit", but OK.

What did other school districts see in the same time frame? Did anything change in the test approach that may have affected scores? It's a new test so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Duran should absolutely address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

That said, I do fully support APS purchasing a curriculum if there is one available that meets the wonky VA standards. (VA DOE should do this IMO)

Wait. You said scores are increasing.

I said SOL scores have been increasing, fckface.

I can repeat for you:
- APS SOL scores have been increasing each year since the pandemic.
- MAP testing is down a bit but it's only the second year with this new test so too soon to draw conclusions.
- Republicans are full of sht and make up lies about math departments and score fluffing.

PP is right. They lowered the bar for a passing score on SOLs. I don’t think that’s a win at all.

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MAP testing isn’t new. It’s new to APS. I wouldn’t be so dismissive.

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Anonymous wrote:Per Duran’s slide: The number of students scoring in the top range decreased quite a bit. Not a great sign.

34.5% to 31.5%? Not sure I'd call that "quite a bit", but OK.

What did other school districts see in the same time frame? Did anything change in the test approach that may have affected scores? It's a new test so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Duran should absolutely address any issues raised but I wouldn't draw any huge conclusions after comparing just two years of data.

That said, I do fully support APS purchasing a curriculum if there is one available that meets the wonky VA standards. (VA DOE should do this IMO)

Wait. You said scores are increasing.

I said SOL scores have been increasing, fckface.

I can repeat for you:
- APS SOL scores have been increasing each year since the pandemic.
- MAP testing is down a bit but it's only the second year with this new test so too soon to draw conclusions.
- Republicans are full of sht and make up lies about math departments and score fluffing.

PP is right. They lowered the bar for a passing score on SOLs. I don’t think that’s a win at all.

Link? When was this?

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Anonymous wrote:MAP testing isn’t new. It’s new to APS. I wouldn’t be so dismissive.

I don't think you get it. The point is that you can't draw much of a conclusion based on only 2 years of data for this test within APS.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any way to pin this post and come back to it a few year later? Your claims that APS is doing just fine aren’t going to age well.

I don't think everything is perfect, but it's also not the disaster narrative that some people are pushing. Certainly not the lies people are trying to spread about DHMS.

I think purchasing a good curriculum that meets VA standards would be great - if it exists.

Uhhh they just fired a DHMS math teacher. This week. Math instruction is not going great. Not for students or for teachers.

Which teacher?

Are you the PP who was pushing lies about the # of new math teachers?