Why so many pit pulls?

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Anonymous wrote:The irrationality of the pitbull lobby is a huge part of the problem.

You don't see this with rottweiler, doberman or German shepherd owners.

Those owners recognize the strength of the breed, the risk to children, and the importance of good, strong owners. They spay and neuter. They don't push them as "nanny dogs" or other such nonsense that puts the dogs around children. They know their breed's strength and limitations

Pitbull owners do none of this. On top of it, they push the lie that pitbulls are gentle family dogs that are breed for children, which endangers everyone.

wrong I own one its is very sweet and gentle never attacked anything. When I have guest come over especially with young kids I make sure he's in a room where no one can interact with him. He's sweet but still 60 pounds of muscle, and I dont want take any chances because his interacting with small children is limited.
There are responsible and irresponsible owners of every breed

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Anonymous wrote:The irrationality of the pitbull lobby is a huge part of the problem.

You don't see this with rottweiler, doberman or German shepherd owners.

Those owners recognize the strength of the breed, the risk to children, and the importance of good, strong owners. They spay and neuter. They don't push them as "nanny dogs" or other such nonsense that puts the dogs around children. They know their breed's strength and limitations

Pitbull owners do none of this. On top of it, they push the lie that pitbulls are gentle family dogs that are breed for children, which endangers everyone.

wrong I own one its is very sweet and gentle never attacked anything. When I have guest come over especially with young kids I make sure he's in a room where no one can interact with him. He's sweet but still 60 pounds of muscle, and I dont want take any chances because his interacting with small children is limited.
There are responsible and irresponsible owners of every breed

This sounds responsible and it is but it also begs the question of why you need to manage this. You acknowledge that there is some risk there, hence having to cordon him off away from guests and kids? So, it can't be breed related, are you responsible or did you fail as an owner you have an untrustworthy dog? I'd love a responsible pit owner to explain this to me. I'm a Golden and Lab owner (also have had Shepherds) and this level of management is great but also...a lot. You inherently have to know you're dealing with a risk. I literally never think about my (certified therapy dogs) getting out and making a go at a young kid.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

Agree. I have three sighthounds. Pits will kill them.

A golden could also kill them.

Bad owners should be stopped and then bad dogs will be stopped.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been trying to adopt a puppy/young dog for several months. Nearly every dog at the various shelters is a put bull or variation of pitbull mix. Why? I don’t get it. I don’t want a pit bull and frankly I don’t get how so many people have come to get a pit bull in the first place.

HT has plenty of young dogs who are not pits. https://www.homewardtrails.org/dog-adoption-2/

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

Posting 5 comments in a row doesn't make your position accurate or even rational. We get it, you hate pit bulls.

This is a you problem.

You do not have facts on your side

Pitbulls are the most dangerous dogs on the planet by every legitimate metric.

There ahould be mandatory neutering and spaying of pitbulls, with huge fines and confiscation/euthanizing of the dog if the owner fails to spay or neuter them.

Breeding of pitbulls should be banned ad well.

Rescues should lose their licenses and suffer huge fines if they adopt a pitbull without explicitly including a wrotten history of its bite and rehoming history, and in the case of fighting dogs, its fight history.

The stats are crystal clear as to the risk of pitbulls compared to every other breed on the planet.

If you want to own this dangerous breed, you should be required to follow the simple safety precautions listed above, and be fined heavily if you don't.

A cane corso or dogo argentino is far more dangerous. I would be very careful with a poorly trained malamute, rhodesian ridgeback or mastiff. Malamutes and ridgebacks in particular are difficult to train and not meant to be kept as pets.

Pits definitely can be dangerous, but a well-trained one is a wonderful pet. And most mutts are part pit, and for the most part, it makes them a better dog. Besides the qualities that make them dangerous, they have a lot of very good qualities. Well-trained socialized ones are extremely good with children, they're very gentle, they have high pain tolerance, they're affectionate, people oriented.

And to the person who said everyone should get their facts straight that these dogs were bred for killing and fighting, that's not true. They were bred to kill rats. Pitbulls are terriers. That's what they have a prey drive for: rodents. They also happen to be effective fighting dogs because of their strength and their power and their tenacity, but it's not their purpose. Doberman pinschers on the other hand, were bred for biting people. Malinois shepherds were bred for attacking people on command. Dachsunds were bred for killing badgers. All (including the pitbull) are highly trainable.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

You'd also have to search long and hard to find a golden owner who spends thousands on their purebred dog and doesn't get it fixed, who screams at it and hits it constantly because it doesn't respond to spoken commands despite never bothering to train it, who leaves it chained up in a dirt patch of a "yard" every daylight hour, and who encourages (or at the very least doesn't discourage) aggressive behavior because it makes them feel macho to have a violent dog, yet I see someone doing all of these daily with pitbulls in my NE DC neighborhood.

I'm not one of those "aww pibbulls so cuddly they never hurt a fly!" folks. I'll fully admit that in a vacuum bully breeds do have some greater degree of innate aggression than goldens, but realistically the vast majority of difference comes from treatment, not breeding. If things flipped tomorrow and goldens became the breed of choice for irresponsible hood rats and pit bulls became the breed of choice for well to do families, you'd see the statistics flip as well.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

You'd also have to search long and hard to find a golden owner who spends thousands on their purebred dog and doesn't get it fixed, who screams at it and hits it constantly because it doesn't respond to spoken commands despite never bothering to train it, who leaves it chained up in a dirt patch of a "yard" every daylight hour, and who encourages (or at the very least doesn't discourage) aggressive behavior because it makes them feel macho to have a violent dog, yet I see someone doing all of these daily with pitbulls in my NE DC neighborhood.

I'm not one of those "aww pibbulls so cuddly they never hurt a fly!" folks. I'll fully admit that in a vacuum bully breeds do have some greater degree of innate aggression than goldens, but realistically the vast majority of difference comes from treatment, not breeding. If things flipped tomorrow and goldens became the breed of choice for irresponsible hood rats and pit bulls became the breed of choice for well to do families, you'd see the statistics flip as well.

I really hope you report your abusive neighbors. What jerks!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been trying to adopt a puppy/young dog for several months. Nearly every dog at the various shelters is a put bull or variation of pitbull mix. Why? I don’t get it. I don’t want a pit bull and frankly I don’t get how so many people have come to get a pit bull in the first place.

Mean people want pit bulls.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

Posting 5 comments in a row doesn't make your position accurate or even rational. We get it, you hate pit bulls.

This is a you problem.

You do not have facts on your side

Pitbulls are the most dangerous dogs on the planet by every legitimate metric.

There ahould be mandatory neutering and spaying of pitbulls, with huge fines and confiscation/euthanizing of the dog if the owner fails to spay or neuter them.

Breeding of pitbulls should be banned ad well.

Rescues should lose their licenses and suffer huge fines if they adopt a pitbull without explicitly including a wrotten history of its bite and rehoming history, and in the case of fighting dogs, its fight history.

The stats are crystal clear as to the risk of pitbulls compared to every other breed on the planet.

If you want to own this dangerous breed, you should be required to follow the simple safety precautions listed above, and be fined heavily if you don't.

A cane corso or dogo argentino is far more dangerous. I would be very careful with a poorly trained malamute, rhodesian ridgeback or mastiff. Malamutes and ridgebacks in particular are difficult to train and not meant to be kept as pets.

Pits definitely can be dangerous, but a well-trained one is a wonderful pet. And most mutts are part pit, and for the most part, it makes them a better dog. Besides the qualities that make them dangerous, they have a lot of very good qualities. Well-trained socialized ones are extremely good with children, they're very gentle, they have high pain tolerance, they're affectionate, people oriented.

And to the person who said everyone should get their facts straight that these dogs were bred for killing and fighting, that's not true. They were bred to kill rats. Pitbulls are terriers. That's what they have a prey drive for: rodents. They also happen to be effective fighting dogs because of their strength and their power and their tenacity, but it's not their purpose. Doberman pinschers on the other hand, were bred for biting people. Malinois shepherds were bred for attacking people on command. Dachsunds were bred for killing badgers. All (including the pitbull) are highly trainable.

Wrong.

Pitbulls were bred for dog fighting.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

You'd also have to search long and hard to find a golden owner who spends thousands on their purebred dog and doesn't get it fixed, who screams at it and hits it constantly because it doesn't respond to spoken commands despite never bothering to train it, who leaves it chained up in a dirt patch of a "yard" every daylight hour, and who encourages (or at the very least doesn't discourage) aggressive behavior because it makes them feel macho to have a violent dog, yet I see someone doing all of these daily with pitbulls in my NE DC neighborhood.

I'm not one of those "aww pibbulls so cuddly they never hurt a fly!" folks. I'll fully admit that in a vacuum bully breeds do have some greater degree of innate aggression than goldens, but realistically the vast majority of difference comes from treatment, not breeding. If things flipped tomorrow and goldens became the breed of choice for irresponsible hood rats and pit bulls became the breed of choice for well to do families, you'd see the statistics flip as well.

You wouldn't because goldens are a different breed with different natural characteristics that don't involve maiming people ad killing babies.

Pitbulls are genetically flawed as a breed

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

You'd also have to search long and hard to find a golden owner who spends thousands on their purebred dog and doesn't get it fixed, who screams at it and hits it constantly because it doesn't respond to spoken commands despite never bothering to train it, who leaves it chained up in a dirt patch of a "yard" every daylight hour, and who encourages (or at the very least doesn't discourage) aggressive behavior because it makes them feel macho to have a violent dog, yet I see someone doing all of these daily with pitbulls in my NE DC neighborhood.

I'm not one of those "aww pibbulls so cuddly they never hurt a fly!" folks. I'll fully admit that in a vacuum bully breeds do have some greater degree of innate aggression than goldens, but realistically the vast majority of difference comes from treatment, not breeding. If things flipped tomorrow and goldens became the breed of choice for irresponsible hood rats and pit bulls became the breed of choice for well to do families, you'd see the statistics flip as well.

I really hope you report your abusive neighbors. What jerks!!!

Yeah, but if she reports them and the pitbull is taken away, it will just get filtered through rescues back to a shelter to be adopted out with a false background to some poor unwitting suburban family with kids, putting everyone at greater risk than the current situation.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

Posting 5 comments in a row doesn't make your position accurate or even rational. We get it, you hate pit bulls.

This is a you problem.

You do not have facts on your side

Pitbulls are the most dangerous dogs on the planet by every legitimate metric.

There ahould be mandatory neutering and spaying of pitbulls, with huge fines and confiscation/euthanizing of the dog if the owner fails to spay or neuter them.

Breeding of pitbulls should be banned ad well.

Rescues should lose their licenses and suffer huge fines if they adopt a pitbull without explicitly including a wrotten history of its bite and rehoming history, and in the case of fighting dogs, its fight history.

The stats are crystal clear as to the risk of pitbulls compared to every other breed on the planet.

If you want to own this dangerous breed, you should be required to follow the simple safety precautions listed above, and be fined heavily if you don't.

A cane corso or dogo argentino is far more dangerous. I would be very careful with a poorly trained malamute, rhodesian ridgeback or mastiff. Malamutes and ridgebacks in particular are difficult to train and not meant to be kept as pets.

Pits definitely can be dangerous, but a well-trained one is a wonderful pet. And most mutts are part pit, and for the most part, it makes them a better dog. Besides the qualities that make them dangerous, they have a lot of very good qualities. Well-trained socialized ones are extremely good with children, they're very gentle, they have high pain tolerance, they're affectionate, people oriented.

And to the person who said everyone should get their facts straight that these dogs were bred for killing and fighting, that's not true. They were bred to kill rats. Pitbulls are terriers. That's what they have a prey drive for: rodents. They also happen to be effective fighting dogs because of their strength and their power and their tenacity, but it's not their purpose. Doberman pinschers on the other hand, were bred for biting people. Malinois shepherds were bred for attacking people on command. Dachsunds were bred for killing badgers. All (including the pitbull) are highly trainable.

Wrong.

Pitbulls were bred for dog fighting.

Evil.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

Posting 5 comments in a row doesn't make your position accurate or even rational. We get it, you hate pit bulls.

This is a you problem.

You do not have facts on your side

Pitbulls are the most dangerous dogs on the planet by every legitimate metric.

There ahould be mandatory neutering and spaying of pitbulls, with huge fines and confiscation/euthanizing of the dog if the owner fails to spay or neuter them.

Breeding of pitbulls should be banned ad well.

Rescues should lose their licenses and suffer huge fines if they adopt a pitbull without explicitly including a wrotten history of its bite and rehoming history, and in the case of fighting dogs, its fight history.

The stats are crystal clear as to the risk of pitbulls compared to every other breed on the planet.

If you want to own this dangerous breed, you should be required to follow the simple safety precautions listed above, and be fined heavily if you don't.

A cane corso or dogo argentino is far more dangerous. I would be very careful with a poorly trained malamute, rhodesian ridgeback or mastiff. Malamutes and ridgebacks in particular are difficult to train and not meant to be kept as pets.

Pits definitely can be dangerous, but a well-trained one is a wonderful pet. And most mutts are part pit, and for the most part, it makes them a better dog. Besides the qualities that make them dangerous, they have a lot of very good qualities. Well-trained socialized ones are extremely good with children, they're very gentle, they have high pain tolerance, they're affectionate, people oriented.

And to the person who said everyone should get their facts straight that these dogs were bred for killing and fighting, that's not true. They were bred to kill rats. Pitbulls are terriers. That's what they have a prey drive for: rodents. They also happen to be effective fighting dogs because of their strength and their power and their tenacity, but it's not their purpose. Doberman pinschers on the other hand, were bred for biting people. Malinois shepherds were bred for attacking people on command. Dachsunds were bred for killing badgers. All (including the pitbull) are highly trainable.

Wrong.

Pitbulls were bred for dog fighting.

WTF? Where do you get these "facts"? This is so easy to disprove, and yet, here you are, typing with your backside again...

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

You'd also have to search long and hard to find a golden owner who spends thousands on their purebred dog and doesn't get it fixed, who screams at it and hits it constantly because it doesn't respond to spoken commands despite never bothering to train it, who leaves it chained up in a dirt patch of a "yard" every daylight hour, and who encourages (or at the very least doesn't discourage) aggressive behavior because it makes them feel macho to have a violent dog, yet I see someone doing all of these daily with pitbulls in my NE DC neighborhood.

I'm not one of those "aww pibbulls so cuddly they never hurt a fly!" folks. I'll fully admit that in a vacuum bully breeds do have some greater degree of innate aggression than goldens, but realistically the vast majority of difference comes from treatment, not breeding. If things flipped tomorrow and goldens became the breed of choice for irresponsible hood rats and pit bulls became the breed of choice for well to do families, you'd see the statistics flip as well.

You wouldn't because goldens are a different breed with different natural characteristics that don't involve maiming people ad killing babies.

Pitbulls are genetically flawed as a breed

You are genetically flawed as a human, and your lack of critical thinking skills shows it. Stop posting mess, clown. You just make any sane argument against pit breeders seem like rubbish when you call crap like this your point.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

You will have to search long and hard to find a rash of goldens killing or maiming their owners and children.

Pitbulls do this nearly weekly.

You'd also have to search long and hard to find a golden owner who spends thousands on their purebred dog and doesn't get it fixed, who screams at it and hits it constantly because it doesn't respond to spoken commands despite never bothering to train it, who leaves it chained up in a dirt patch of a "yard" every daylight hour, and who encourages (or at the very least doesn't discourage) aggressive behavior because it makes them feel macho to have a violent dog, yet I see someone doing all of these daily with pitbulls in my NE DC neighborhood.

I'm not one of those "aww pibbulls so cuddly they never hurt a fly!" folks. I'll fully admit that in a vacuum bully breeds do have some greater degree of innate aggression than goldens, but realistically the vast majority of difference comes from treatment, not breeding. If things flipped tomorrow and goldens became the breed of choice for irresponsible hood rats and pit bulls became the breed of choice for well to do families, you'd see the statistics flip as well.

You wouldn't because goldens are a different breed with different natural characteristics that don't involve maiming people ad killing babies.

Pitbulls are genetically flawed as a breed

You are either incredibly ignorant or mentally ill.