Why so many pit pulls?

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

The kind of people who get pits are just EXCEPTIONALLY shitty people and owners. It's why we see so many of these attacks. Reason enough to avoid them and their dogs.

The kind of people who make blanket statements like this are mentally incompetent jerks who should come with signs so they can be avoided like the plague on rational society they are.

Why? I'm agreeing with you. If it is not related to the breed you've got a serious owner problem in the pit world. Otherwise we'd be seeing the Goldens mauling left and right, but they must have better owners on the whole.

Again, you anti-pit nuts don't understand that the "statistics" you love to throw out are useless. There are way more "pit mix" dogs than purebred anythings, and if there's even a drop of pit in a dog who attacks, the attack will get reported as a "pit bull attack" (or, if you're a total loon, you'll do this even when the dog is an obvious boxer, etc.)

There aren't that many "maulings" at all, which is why you get clickbait about them. There are very few dog bite incidents reported at all, and not all of them are "pit bulls". But, as has been pointed out ad nauseam every time this comes up, in order to make sense of those numbers, you need to know how many pit bulls there are vs. how many bite incidents, and the same for every other breed. Only then can you say, definitively, that pits bite more/more often than other breeds.

Learn something. Please. This whole argument is just so tired...

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

According to his Facebook, this dad breeds Pitbulls and has them as family pets. Sadly his 7 month old was killed by the family dog.
https://people.com/father-of-elizah-turner-infant-killed-by-family-dog-speaks-out-11713874

Luckily that’s not me.

Bad dogs happen because of good owners.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

The kind of people who get pits are just EXCEPTIONALLY shitty people and owners. It's why we see so many of these attacks. Reason enough to avoid them and their dogs.

The kind of people who make blanket statements like this are mentally incompetent jerks who should come with signs so they can be avoided like the plague on rational society they are.

Why? I'm agreeing with you. If it is not related to the breed you've got a serious owner problem in the pit world. Otherwise we'd be seeing the Goldens mauling left and right, but they must have better owners on the whole.

Again, you anti-pit nuts don't understand that the "statistics" you love to throw out are useless. There are way more "pit mix" dogs than purebred anythings, and if there's even a drop of pit in a dog who attacks, the attack will get reported as a "pit bull attack" (or, if you're a total loon, you'll do this even when the dog is an obvious boxer, etc.)

There aren't that many "maulings" at all, which is why you get clickbait about them. There are very few dog bite incidents reported at all, and not all of them are "pit bulls". But, as has been pointed out ad nauseam every time this comes up, in order to make sense of those numbers, you need to know how many pit bulls there are vs. how many bite incidents, and the same for every other breed. Only then can you say, definitively, that pits bite more/more often than other breeds.

Learn something. Please. This whole argument is just so tired...

A "gentle pet pitty" just mauled to death a beautiful 7 month old baby girl lst week.

Another "gentle goofball pitbull" mauled to death another baby a few days before that

It would be nice if pitbull advocates quit lying and recognized that pitbulls should never be in a house with children or allowed in child filled neighborhoods.

How many babies have to die from a gruesome pitbull mauling for the pitbull advocates to face reality as to the danger of that breed and its incompatibility with normal society?

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Anonymous wrote:Spay/neuter campaigns have been extremely successful with pretty much everyone except the segment of the population that finds pit bulls desirable. Thus no more “mutts” that make great family dogs.

After months of monitoring the intakes at my local humane society and county shelter) we went to a reputable breeder for this reason (and please miss me with the “no such thing as a reputable breeder” nonsense).

Someone needs to set up as a breeder that specializes in mutt mixes of desirable breeds of various sizes.

They would be the most popular breeder in the country.

NO. Go find the "Bosun Dogs" thread for why. We do NOT need more dogs.

We need better trained owners. A well-trained human can work with any breed. A stupid human will assume that only the "right breed" will be a good house pet, and that it will be so inherently, without training, simply because of its breed. We need better-educated humans, not more dogs.

There is no magic combination of breeds that will negate owner ignorance, and no customized dog that will be fully-trained for life from puppyhood.

We needs mutts.

We also need breed specific laws requiring owners to neuter and spay all pitbulls, with huge financial fines for failure to comply.

No, we don't
There are so many mutts waiting to be adopted
I was at the adoption event this Sunday - 100+ dogs - hounds, beagles, Chihuahua, husky, labs, shepherds, even could of doodles, and of course- super mutts... All shapes and forms, all ages

Few puppies though. People tend to want smaller dogs or puppies.

Our shelter is well trafficked. First to go are small dogs and pups, then anything except pitbulls. What remains are the poor pitbull mixes.

This is why some of us clap back at the anti-pit bullies and their nonsense. It does real harm.

If pitbulls weren't so dangerous, and if their irresponsible owners spayed and neutered them, the unadoptable pitbulls would not be over running all the shelters.

If they were truly "unadoptable", you'd never see them. Plenty of pit bulls get adopted, and go on to have happy lives as excellent family dogs. The fact that your bias prevents you from understanding that doesn't mean it's not happening, it just means you're blinded by your own stupid internal narrative.

The shelters are filled with pitbulls because they are unadoptable and keep getting returned.

The humane thing would be to do what they did a decade ago, and put down any pitbull that lands in a shelter.

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Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of people who want pit bulls intentionally choose not to get them fixed which leads to a million pit bull mixes in shelters. People who actively seek out pits often like them for aggression, and think fixing them will decrease their aggression.

It's a frustrating cycle. And what we should really be doing is forcing pit owners to fix their dogs, going after breeders that cater to these owners, and really cracking down on backyard breeding, which is illegal. But the whole conversation gets disrupted by people who adopt pits from shelters, fall in love with their specific dog, and then become very defensive about the rep pit bulls have, and fight against "discrimination" against the breed. It's exhausting.

I increasingly think you should need to get a license in order to have a dog, in order to ensure responsible dog ownership, make sure animals get fixed, and make it easier to take dogs away from people who abuse them or are otherwise irresponsible with them.

Until then, yes, like 95% of shelter dogs are pits and pit mixes.

Thank you for this explanation as I have always wondered this. In australia they're all greyhounds!
so funny- and not funny

I wonder why…? Greyhounds are sweet!

Bred in great numbers b/c racing

I’ll take a greyhound over a pit bull any day!

Rescue racing Greyhound??? Id rather take pitbull puppy - rehabilitation is a nightmare. Dogs bred for racing have zero socialization, you'd have to teach them from scratch - potty training, leash manners, stairs, mirrors, glass doors, you name it....

I dunno,.all of the retired racers I've met have been fantastic pets. Of course you have to train them, you have to train any dog. I've had all positive experiences with rescue pits too . I don't understand where y'all are finding these 'bad' dogs. You gotta take a step back and remember that stuff only makes the news because it is unusual.

...because a "bad" Golden Retriever will... dig a hole in your backyard? While a "bad" pit bull will snap and literally kill elderly, kids, and/or other pets.

A bad golden retriever will snap and literally kill elderly kids and other pets. Any dog of any size can do it.

Pits can definitely be dangerous, but so can basically all other dogs.

The other dog breeds don't eat humans or attack children and old people for fun.

Pits don't either. And for all that you want to talk about this by breed, you'd know that if you looked at the breed standard for pits and what they were bred to be: companions.

Dogs that attack have their reasons, and if you read all the clickbait articles you seem to love so much with a brain that's even half aware, you'll see that the commonalities go way beyond the "pit bull" umbrella, and reveal circumstances that would make any dog a liability.

Be simpleminded if you want, but don't talk about your position as if it were based on facts or reality, because it's not.

Pits were never bread to be companions.

That is an outright lie created and perpetuated by the pitbull crazies.

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Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of people who want pit bulls intentionally choose not to get them fixed which leads to a million pit bull mixes in shelters. People who actively seek out pits often like them for aggression, and think fixing them will decrease their aggression.

It's a frustrating cycle. And what we should really be doing is forcing pit owners to fix their dogs, going after breeders that cater to these owners, and really cracking down on backyard breeding, which is illegal. But the whole conversation gets disrupted by people who adopt pits from shelters, fall in love with their specific dog, and then become very defensive about the rep pit bulls have, and fight against "discrimination" against the breed. It's exhausting.

I increasingly think you should need to get a license in order to have a dog, in order to ensure responsible dog ownership, make sure animals get fixed, and make it easier to take dogs away from people who abuse them or are otherwise irresponsible with them.

Until then, yes, like 95% of shelter dogs are pits and pit mixes.

Thank you for this explanation as I have always wondered this. In australia they're all greyhounds!
so funny- and not funny

I wonder why…? Greyhounds are sweet!

Bred in great numbers b/c racing

I’ll take a greyhound over a pit bull any day!

Rescue racing Greyhound??? Id rather take pitbull puppy - rehabilitation is a nightmare. Dogs bred for racing have zero socialization, you'd have to teach them from scratch - potty training, leash manners, stairs, mirrors, glass doors, you name it....

I dunno,.all of the retired racers I've met have been fantastic pets. Of course you have to train them, you have to train any dog. I've had all positive experiences with rescue pits too . I don't understand where y'all are finding these 'bad' dogs. You gotta take a step back and remember that stuff only makes the news because it is unusual.

...because a "bad" Golden Retriever will... dig a hole in your backyard? While a "bad" pit bull will snap and literally kill elderly, kids, and/or other pets.

A bad golden retriever will snap and literally kill elderly kids and other pets. Any dog of any size can do it.

Pits can definitely be dangerous, but so can basically all other dogs.

Like never.

Goldens are great pets.

Pits are too dangerous to be around people.

most goldens are inbred, but any dog has a capacity to hurt. happens more with pits, but don't kid yourself, they're all dogs and if mistreated they can all be dangerous.

i actually think labs are the ones that people assume are nice and problem free. also massively in-bred and i've seen more than a few that are scary -- they're very attached to their owners, but they get let off the leash and they have very different personalities (like most dogs are different on and off-leash)... my parent's pit (which was leashed and couldn't defend itself) was mauled by a black lab and I've been menaced more than a few time by labs that were let off leash in the park and came into the community garden we have.

despite having grown up with pits and thinking they have many admirable qualities, i chose not to adopt one for my own family, so don't accuse me of defending them... but let's be realistic about the other breeds. a mistreated, badly socialized dog is a dangerous dog, no matter the breed.

And yet, goldens and labs don't kill humans.

A pitbull kills a human every week to 10 days, or more.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

re: the loyalty bit, ever met a Pyrenees? because this behavior applies to many of the guardian breeds, but I've never seen anything like a GP. Gorgeous dogs, and you really need to understand what they are to be safe around them.

I agree with the bolded. In every one of these stories about a terrifying "pit bull" attack, there's a reason, and it's always connected to an irresponsible, ignorant (or willfully stupid) owner. New dogs left with small children in unfamiliar environments, underfed dogs left poorly secured in a yard, overstimulating environments with no calm, collected owner/handler to turn to and no crate or safe corner to retreat to... There are a LOT of people who shouldn't own dogs because they think only pits respond this way. Any poorly-trained, poorly-contained animal is a threat, all breeds of dog bite, and it is 100% the responsibility of their owners, every single time there's a problem.

And yet, the maulers and killers are almost exclusively putbulls

Great Pyrenees dogs do not maul or kill humans.

Pitbulls do several times a month.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

The kind of people who get pits are just EXCEPTIONALLY shitty people and owners. It's why we see so many of these attacks. Reason enough to avoid them and their dogs.

The kind of people who make blanket statements like this are mentally incompetent jerks who should come with signs so they can be avoided like the plague on rational society they are.

Why? I'm agreeing with you. If it is not related to the breed you've got a serious owner problem in the pit world. Otherwise we'd be seeing the Goldens mauling left and right, but they must have better owners on the whole.

Again, you anti-pit nuts don't understand that the "statistics" you love to throw out are useless. There are way more "pit mix" dogs than purebred anythings, and if there's even a drop of pit in a dog who attacks, the attack will get reported as a "pit bull attack" (or, if you're a total loon, you'll do this even when the dog is an obvious boxer, etc.)

There aren't that many "maulings" at all, which is why you get clickbait about them. There are very few dog bite incidents reported at all, and not all of them are "pit bulls". But, as has been pointed out ad nauseam every time this comes up, in order to make sense of those numbers, you need to know how many pit bulls there are vs. how many bite incidents, and the same for every other breed. Only then can you say, definitively, that pits bite more/more often than other breeds.

Learn something. Please. This whole argument is just so tired...

A "gentle pet pitty" just mauled to death a beautiful 7 month old baby girl lst week.

Another "gentle goofball pitbull" mauled to death another baby a few days before that

It would be nice if pitbull advocates quit lying and recognized that pitbulls should never be in a house with children or allowed in child filled neighborhoods.

How many babies have to die from a gruesome pitbull mauling for the pitbull advocates to face reality as to the danger of that breed and its incompatibility with normal society?

For all y'all talking about how it's about the breed, you should look at what pit bulls were bred to be: family dogs, and good with kids. And if you'd ever owned one, you'd know that.

Two unfortunate deaths aren't a statement about the breed. They're unfortunate examples of bad owners. And also stupid people who believe clickbait is fact. Two deaths out of... how many pit bulls? Oh, that's right, you don't factor that in either.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

https://people.com/kyomi-temple-infant-dies-pit-bull-attack-texas-11708082

2 male pits in an apartment with a 6 month old, and no crates, and poor supervision, and it's a pretty safe assumption that the sort of person who created that dynamic didn't train them particularly well, especially given the outcome.

Not the breed's fault. The owner's fault.

And yet if it were 2 goldens in that apartment, no one would have been injured or killed

So you're saying no golden has ever injured or killed someone? You realize that's not true, and you can look it up for yourself and find facts, should you care about actual facts, right? Goldens are inbred to the point of neurosis, btw. Not the flex you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of people who want pit bulls intentionally choose not to get them fixed which leads to a million pit bull mixes in shelters. People who actively seek out pits often like them for aggression, and think fixing them will decrease their aggression.

It's a frustrating cycle. And what we should really be doing is forcing pit owners to fix their dogs, going after breeders that cater to these owners, and really cracking down on backyard breeding, which is illegal. But the whole conversation gets disrupted by people who adopt pits from shelters, fall in love with their specific dog, and then become very defensive about the rep pit bulls have, and fight against "discrimination" against the breed. It's exhausting.

I increasingly think you should need to get a license in order to have a dog, in order to ensure responsible dog ownership, make sure animals get fixed, and make it easier to take dogs away from people who abuse them or are otherwise irresponsible with them.

Until then, yes, like 95% of shelter dogs are pits and pit mixes.

Thank you for this explanation as I have always wondered this. In australia they're all greyhounds!
so funny- and not funny

I wonder why…? Greyhounds are sweet!

Bred in great numbers b/c racing

I’ll take a greyhound over a pit bull any day!

Rescue racing Greyhound??? Id rather take pitbull puppy - rehabilitation is a nightmare. Dogs bred for racing have zero socialization, you'd have to teach them from scratch - potty training, leash manners, stairs, mirrors, glass doors, you name it....

I dunno,.all of the retired racers I've met have been fantastic pets. Of course you have to train them, you have to train any dog. I've had all positive experiences with rescue pits too . I don't understand where y'all are finding these 'bad' dogs. You gotta take a step back and remember that stuff only makes the news because it is unusual.

...because a "bad" Golden Retriever will... dig a hole in your backyard? While a "bad" pit bull will snap and literally kill elderly, kids, and/or other pets.

A bad golden retriever will snap and literally kill elderly kids and other pets. Any dog of any size can do it.

Pits can definitely be dangerous, but so can basically all other dogs.

Like never.

Goldens are great pets.

Pits are too dangerous to be around people.

most goldens are inbred, but any dog has a capacity to hurt. happens more with pits, but don't kid yourself, they're all dogs and if mistreated they can all be dangerous.

i actually think labs are the ones that people assume are nice and problem free. also massively in-bred and i've seen more than a few that are scary -- they're very attached to their owners, but they get let off the leash and they have very different personalities (like most dogs are different on and off-leash)... my parent's pit (which was leashed and couldn't defend itself) was mauled by a black lab and I've been menaced more than a few time by labs that were let off leash in the park and came into the community garden we have.

despite having grown up with pits and thinking they have many admirable qualities, i chose not to adopt one for my own family, so don't accuse me of defending them... but let's be realistic about the other breeds. a mistreated, badly socialized dog is a dangerous dog, no matter the breed.

And yet, goldens and labs don't kill humans.

A pitbull kills a human every week to 10 days, or more.

Facts with adequate citation or GTFO.

And you don't have them. Because, as has been said repeatedly by numerous credible sources, in order to have meaningful statistics here, you'd need not only the total number of bites, but accurate information about the breeds involved (not just "it looked like a pit mix"), AND accurate statistics about the total number of pits/pit mixes and the total number of other dogs by breed.

You don't have facts. You have stupidity, a rather extreme case.

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Anonymous wrote:And yes, non-pit puppies are going fast, so apply, get pre-approved, and be first in line to pick a puppy once it becomes available

Or, skip the queue entirely, learn how to train a dog properly, get a pit puppy and have yourself a lifelong companion without the waiting list. If you know how to train a dog, you can train a pit bull, because they're dogs. If you can't train a pit bull, you need to ask yourself if you can really train a dog at all. Maybe you need more skills before you adopt a new pet.

Until the pitbull attacks and dismembers your toddler.

No well-trained dog "just snaps". The people saying their previously-great dog "just snapped" don't know what they're doing. Don't believe me? Go look at the thread about the boxer (not a pit) that "just snapped" and attacked its owner. Some idiot claims that must mean the dog "is part pit" but all it means is too much dog with not enough responsible owner. That's the math, and literally any breed can complete that equation.

also a breed trait of pits is intense, almost psychotic, devotion to its owner and family. most of the incidents people get so exercised over are results of poorly trained pits misdirecting their loyalty. I would trust a pit that I owned with my own baby, but I'd fear their response if they believed the baby was being threatened. That's not "snapping" -- that's a rational behavior that if not properly managed is deeply problematic. There's no mystery here--dogs that snap, no matter the breed are usually the fault of bad owners.

re: the loyalty bit, ever met a Pyrenees? because this behavior applies to many of the guardian breeds, but I've never seen anything like a GP. Gorgeous dogs, and you really need to understand what they are to be safe around them.

I agree with the bolded. In every one of these stories about a terrifying "pit bull" attack, there's a reason, and it's always connected to an irresponsible, ignorant (or willfully stupid) owner. New dogs left with small children in unfamiliar environments, underfed dogs left poorly secured in a yard, overstimulating environments with no calm, collected owner/handler to turn to and no crate or safe corner to retreat to... There are a LOT of people who shouldn't own dogs because they think only pits respond this way. Any poorly-trained, poorly-contained animal is a threat, all breeds of dog bite, and it is 100% the responsibility of their owners, every single time there's a problem.

And yet, the maulers and killers are almost exclusively putbulls

Great Pyrenees dogs do not maul or kill humans.

Pitbulls do several times a month.

Absolute BS that GPs don't maul. You don't know what the hell you're talking about; you're just here to spread anti-pit mess (as usual, Karen).

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Anonymous wrote:Because a lot of people who want pit bulls intentionally choose not to get them fixed which leads to a million pit bull mixes in shelters. People who actively seek out pits often like them for aggression, and think fixing them will decrease their aggression.

It's a frustrating cycle. And what we should really be doing is forcing pit owners to fix their dogs, going after breeders that cater to these owners, and really cracking down on backyard breeding, which is illegal. But the whole conversation gets disrupted by people who adopt pits from shelters, fall in love with their specific dog, and then become very defensive about the rep pit bulls have, and fight against "discrimination" against the breed. It's exhausting.

I increasingly think you should need to get a license in order to have a dog, in order to ensure responsible dog ownership, make sure animals get fixed, and make it easier to take dogs away from people who abuse them or are otherwise irresponsible with them.

Until then, yes, like 95% of shelter dogs are pits and pit mixes.

Reposting this post from the first page of the thread because it's the actual story. The people who constantly push back against any criticism of pits or pit mixes are fully a part of the problem, but because they myopically view themselves as advocating for specific dogs they believe to be good dogs, there's no reasoning. And indeed, some of them are good dogs! A pit can be a good pet, but that's not really relevant because the problem is that there are zillion pits out there, and there reason why is that many, many people who are attracted to pit bulls as pets refuse to get them fixed and engage in backyard breeding.

The reason people don't go only railing about the scourge of Great Pyrenees is because there just aren't that many of them. they are mostly bred formally and when you go to the shelter, it's not like 95% GP mixes. You don't have a bunch of people fighting GPs or breeding them in their backyards.

If you want to advocate for pit bulls and change their reputation, stop yelling at people who are afraid of being attacked or bitten by pit bulls. Instead, focus your ire on the pit owners who don't fix their dogs or who breed pits in an irresponsible way. Focus on people who fight dogs (who use pits in fighting more than almost every other breed) and who abuse and abandon pit bulls who then fill shelters and become the dogs who later maul people and give pit bulls a bad name.

No, not all pit bulls are bad dogs (#notallpits) but you are missing the point when you focus on this. There are too many pits and there is a population of pit owners who engage in abusive, irresponsible, and sometimes illegal behaviors, which contributes both to the overpopulation of pits/pit mixes AND to the breed's reputation for aggression and lethality. That's your enemy right there. Not just regular people who reasonably come to fear pits precisely because of the behavior of these crap pit owners.