Why so many pit pulls?

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Anonymous wrote:https://preview.redd.it/my-pitbull-killed-my-chihuahua-i-still-love-her-v0-mh3aqu4e9hze1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ee79c593f9a53d155a3e8b7438041d331d9187f9

And here’s a pit that did successfully kill a chihuahua recently

Owner error. Nobody knows what happened? That's automatically an owner's responsibility. If you're going to be responsible for a large-breed dog and a small-breed dog, you need to protect both. I've had pits and cats for years now. No fatalities. I've had pits and kids. No fatalities. The only time there was a bite incident, my dog was the one who got bit by a 'friendly' golden with a horrifically ignorant owner claiming it "just wanted to play".

The rise in pit bulls isn't nearly as dangerous in the skyrocketing numbers of people who have dogs without having any business having a dog. This is never the dog's fault.

Was your dog torn in pieces? Did you need to go to the hospital for multiple stitches?

Probably not, right? See the difference? A golden bites (rarely) and it sucks but no one dies.

[Anonymous]

Ask ER doctors and nurses what difference they see between pit bull bites and bites from other dogs. They'll tell you, it’s not the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ask ER doctors and nurses what difference they see between pit bull bites and bites from other dogs. They'll tell you, it’s not the same.

As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.


Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

The arguments made by advocates of these dogs are the same arguments made by people who feel that assault weapons are an essential part of daily living. There are plenty of breeds available that peacefully coexist with human society. There is no need for pit bulls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/1kh1ecx/horse_is_killed_by_two_pitbulls_in_texas_usa_the/?chainedPosts=t3_1khrhxs

Pit bulls Killed a horse

Did they though? I can't find a single article or news citation beyond the pit hate reddit you're quoting.

If you want to find hate, you're definitely going to find it there. Facts, not so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://preview.redd.it/my-pitbull-killed-my-chihuahua-i-still-love-her-v0-mh3aqu4e9hze1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ee79c593f9a53d155a3e8b7438041d331d9187f9

And here’s a pit that did successfully kill a chihuahua recently

Owner error. Nobody knows what happened? That's automatically an owner's responsibility. If you're going to be responsible for a large-breed dog and a small-breed dog, you need to protect both. I've had pits and cats for years now. No fatalities. I've had pits and kids. No fatalities. The only time there was a bite incident, my dog was the one who got bit by a 'friendly' golden with a horrifically ignorant owner claiming it "just wanted to play".

The rise in pit bulls isn't nearly as dangerous in the skyrocketing numbers of people who have dogs without having any business having a dog. This is never the dog's fault.

Was your dog torn in pieces? Did you need to go to the hospital for multiple stitches?

Probably not, right? See the difference? A golden bites (rarely) and it sucks but no one dies.

You are too stupid to help, I'm afraid. Enjoy your irrational fear.

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Anonymous wrote:Ask ER doctors and nurses what difference they see between pit bull bites and bites from other dogs. They'll tell you, it’s not the same.

Will they? Really? Because I have it on good authority, having known quite a few (some biblically), and... yeah, no. That's not what they say. Maybe there are some with biases like yours who say stupid things like you, but IME they are mercifully few and far between.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ask ER doctors and nurses what difference they see between pit bull bites and bites from other dogs. They'll tell you, it’s not the same.

As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.


Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

The arguments made by advocates of these dogs are the same arguments made by people who feel that assault weapons are an essential part of daily living. There are plenty of breeds available that peacefully coexist with human society. There is no need for pit bulls.

Baby Blablabla, there is very little "need" for most dogs. Nobody "needs" a doodle. You keep trotting out this same "Pit bulls are loaded guns with the safety off" nonsense, and it's as stupid today as it was when you tried it a few days ago. I doubt the majority of your wall-of-text, and I think you're likely little more than a common shitposting troll.

Pit bulls are DOGS. Yes, dog breeds do have certain characteristics, but they're all DOGS, doing what dogs do. You either know what that is and how to work with it, or you don't.

Also? A lot of the "tear" damage in a dog bite injury comes from the victim and/or bystanders trying to pull the biting dog away. So maybe, if you're really interested in minimizing that damage, teach your pack of paranoia-prone pit haters to carry a break stick and know how to use it? Y'all are probably carrying pepper spray and personal alarms and maybe a "loaded gun with the safety off" too. Might as well spread some useful information instead of just this useless drivel. Again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask ER doctors and nurses what difference they see between pit bull bites and bites from other dogs. They'll tell you, it’s not the same.

As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.


Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

The arguments made by advocates of these dogs are the same arguments made by people who feel that assault weapons are an essential part of daily living. There are plenty of breeds available that peacefully coexist with human society. There is no need for pit bulls.

Baby Blablabla, there is very little "need" for most dogs. Nobody "needs" a doodle. You keep trotting out this same "Pit bulls are loaded guns with the safety off" nonsense, and it's as stupid today as it was when you tried it a few days ago. I doubt the majority of your wall-of-text, and I think you're likely little more than a common shitposting troll.

Pit bulls are DOGS. Yes, dog breeds do have certain characteristics, but they're all DOGS, doing what dogs do. You either know what that is and how to work with it, or you don't.

Also? A lot of the "tear" damage in a dog bite injury comes from the victim and/or bystanders trying to pull the biting dog away. So maybe, if you're really interested in minimizing that damage, teach your pack of paranoia-prone pit haters to carry a break stick and know how to use it? Y'all are probably carrying pepper spray and personal alarms and maybe a "loaded gun with the safety off" too. Might as well spread some useful information instead of just this useless drivel. Again.

This is what the dog attacked by pits in NYC looks like after surgery. But I guess it was the bystanders fault for trying to get the pits off the little dog, right? /s/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/s/j4MGvJo0tG

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Anonymous wrote:Spay/neuter campaigns have been extremely successful with pretty much everyone except the segment of the population that finds pit bulls desirable. Thus no more “mutts” that make great family dogs.

After months of monitoring the intakes at my local humane society and county shelter) we went to a reputable breeder for this reason (and please miss me with the “no such thing as a reputable breeder” nonsense).

Someone needs to set up as a breeder that specializes in mutt mixes of desirable breeds of various sizes.

They would be the most popular breeder in the country.

NO. Go find the "Bosun Dogs" thread for why. We do NOT need more dogs.

We need better trained owners. A well-trained human can work with any breed. A stupid human will assume that only the "right breed" will be a good house pet, and that it will be so inherently, without training, simply because of its breed. We need better-educated humans, not more dogs.

There is no magic combination of breeds that will negate owner ignorance, and no customized dog that will be fully-trained for life from puppyhood.

We needs mutts.

We also need breed specific laws requiring owners to neuter and spay all pitbulls, with huge financial fines for failure to comply.

No, we don't
There are so many mutts waiting to be adopted
I was at the adoption event this Sunday - 100+ dogs - hounds, beagles, Chihuahua, husky, labs, shepherds, even could of doodles, and of course- super mutts... All shapes and forms, all ages

Few puppies though. People tend to want smaller dogs or puppies.

Our shelter is well trafficked. First to go are small dogs and pups, then anything except pitbulls. What remains are the poor pitbull mixes.

This is why some of us clap back at the anti-pit bullies and their nonsense. It does real harm.

If pitbulls weren't so dangerous, and if their irresponsible owners spayed and neutered them, the unadoptable pitbulls would not be over running all the shelters.

If they were truly "unadoptable", you'd never see them. Plenty of pit bulls get adopted, and go on to have happy lives as excellent family dogs. The fact that your bias prevents you from understanding that doesn't mean it's not happening, it just means you're blinded by your own stupid internal narrative.

If you look at the dog bit statistics, it’s not unreasonable to be significantly more worried about pit bulls vs most other dogs. Accepting reality isn’t bias.

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-multi-year-fatality-report-2005-2017.php

66% percent of dog fatalities are attributable to pit bulls.

Once again, for all the idiots who think these statistics are meaningful: In order. For these numbers. To have context that creates meaning. You need. To show. The total number of all dogs. By breed.

A scary stat like "pit bull bites are on the rise!!!11!!" without the context of "pit bull ownership is skyrocketing!!!11!!" makes people think 'pit bulls' are getting bitier. They are not. And if there are 10 bites from 10 pit bulls, holy wow, that's a lot of bites. If there are 10 bites from 100,000 pit bulls, that's not nearly as scary.

Also. For the not-last time. "Pit bull" is NOT A BREED. It's 5 distinct breeds. So for your 'pit bull' stats to mean a damned thing, statistically-speaking, you'd need to specify what kind of 'pit bull-type dog' you're talking about, whether or not it's a mix, etc.

If you really want accurate information about the breed and its propensity for biting, you'll need info about how the dogs that bite were kept (by whom, for how long...) and the circumstances surrounding the bite. But none of y'all actually want accurate information (aka facts). You just want to hate on "pit pulls". Every single one of these threads is stupid, as are the people who insist on bumping them with their new clickbait bite articles and garbage "statistics"

The pro pit bull arguments are just so crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Billmire is professor and director of the Division of Craniofacial and Pediatric Plastic Surgery at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center.
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As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.


Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

The arguments made by advocates of these dogs are the same arguments made by people who feel that assault weapons are an essential part of daily living. There are plenty of breeds available that peacefully coexist with human society. There is no need for pit bulls.

Whitecoat is biased. News at 11.

Also? The recent multi-bite incident involving some celebrity I don't GAF about? A boxer, not a pit.

Also also? "Starting 25 years ago..." So what happened? Genetically-modified "pit bulls"? Pack maulings are NOT what any of the 5 pit-type breeds were bred for, so somebody has some explaining to do...

Also also also: If I had to clean up after violence, I'd be burned out and jaded, too. But that doesn't mean that all people are violent, nor does it mean that all "pit bulls" are guns.

Also x4: The emotionally-manipulative writing = LOW FACTS. One doctor's alleged experience isn't fact. Makes great clickbait. Isn't reliable statistics.

He is educated and informed.

The pitbull advocates are ignorant and biased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You want to hate "pit bulls", so you do.

It is known.

It is not "research" or "facts" and it's highly unlikely it ever will be. What it would take to have credible facts has been explained several times. You don't listen. You just grab whatever new clickbait you can find to justify your hate.

We get it. You hate "pit bulls". Ultimately, it is much more of a statement about you, your intelligence, your fears, your lack of critical thinking skills, etc. than about any of the 5 breeds you've chosen to hate. But you're going to hate them, regardless of anything anyone could say to the contrary. Again, that's about you. You are seen.

Nearly every parent whose child was mauled or killed by their gentle pet pitbull posted on social media very similar arguments as you are making prior to their child being attacked by the family pitbull.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ask ER doctors and nurses what difference they see between pit bull bites and bites from other dogs. They'll tell you, it’s not the same.

As one who, for the last 30 years, has been on the receiving end of the dog-bite injuries that pass through the Children's Hospital Emergency Room, as well as on the staff at the Shriners Hospitals for Children where we see the late effects of these injuries from across the nation, I can categorically tell you that the problems associated with dog bites are indeed breed-specific.

When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.


Now, I am a dog lover and virtually every one of my family members has a dog. But it is a fact that different dogs have always been bred for specific qualities. My sheltie herded, my daughter's setter flushes birds and my pug sits on my lap – this is what they are bred for. Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill and, unfortunately, many current breeders favor these aggressive traits. There is no need for any dog with the characteristics.

I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.

Based on my extensive experience, I believe that the risk posed by pit bulls is equivalent to placing a loaded gun with the safety off on the coffee table. In my opinion, these dogs should be banned. I know this is an unpopular stand in some circles, but how many mauled children do we have to see before we realize the folly of allowing these dogs to exist?

The arguments made by advocates of these dogs are the same arguments made by people who feel that assault weapons are an essential part of daily living. There are plenty of breeds available that peacefully coexist with human society. There is no need for pit bulls.

Baby Blablabla, there is very little "need" for most dogs. Nobody "needs" a doodle. You keep trotting out this same "Pit bulls are loaded guns with the safety off" nonsense, and it's as stupid today as it was when you tried it a few days ago. I doubt the majority of your wall-of-text, and I think you're likely little more than a common shitposting troll.

Pit bulls are DOGS. Yes, dog breeds do have certain characteristics, but they're all DOGS, doing what dogs do. You either know what that is and how to work with it, or you don't.

Also? A lot of the "tear" damage in a dog bite injury comes from the victim and/or bystanders trying to pull the biting dog away. So maybe, if you're really interested in minimizing that damage, teach your pack of paranoia-prone pit haters to carry a break stick and know how to use it? Y'all are probably carrying pepper spray and personal alarms and maybe a "loaded gun with the safety off" too. Might as well spread some useful information instead of just this useless drivel. Again.

You’re ridiculous!