ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how saying nothing at this point leads someone to believe it will stay the same? The only time the leagues need to say anything about the registration cutoff is before tryouts, and that’s a long way away. I can see MLSN and GA slow playing it to keep people on board as long as possible. But if you believe the change to SY will be a better fit for your DD or DS, then you better be looking at those leagues and teams this fall and spring.

Your logic makes no sense.

MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined. You seem to think that if a competitor makes a change that they have to respond? Again, MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined.

They wouldn't be responding to a competitor, they are going to have to respond to a supplier. The supplier provides mostly Aug-Dec players but MLSN/GA under BY would need Jan-May players. They will kick and scream but ultimately have to adjust to supply chain issues to maintain revenues and go SY. This is a business.

Why?

If MLSN stayed BY they'd get all the 1/1 to 4/1 players. If ECNL went SY MLSN could recruit all the top 8/1 to 12/1 players to MLSN and bioband them.

Agree with the other poster on MLSN delaying an extra year before switching to SY. They made implicit promises/relationships via extra trainings to Q1 kids and while they had the chance to try and unwind them and push the Q4 kids towards the best teams and positions, based on tryouts, they haven't acted yet. After a year of the young kids under SY they will realize that the Q1 kids entering U13 will be playing the less premier positions, being on the B teams and playing soccer as a second sport. Tough to maintain the illusion of elite is if you the players you take weren't younger stars but are now merely a bit bigger and older than the rest because they were born in Q1.

I mean, none of the ECNL clubs I know made any changes or picks for this coming year that would suggest they are switching to SY the year after. Yet they are. The vast majority of P2P clubs cannot plan or strategize more than a month or two in advance.

It is also cute that you think these clubs would not make a change because they are worried about breaking “promises” or hurting relationships. That’s got to be one of the more naive things I’ve read in this thread!

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we've got is an ECNL hat that's so excited for their kid to play down against younger players that they can barely contain themselves. They're trying with all their might to will it into happening in other leagues so they dont seem like such is wuss.

You do know that there are just as many Aug-Dec GA/MLS hats who are just as "excited for their kid to play down against younger players"

No, nobody is excited to play down. Thats loser talk.

It's not playing down, loser.

It sorta is if the kid has played years in the current system and likely has 1+ year more experience, more play on larger fields.

Nope, it's playing on age..the assigned age group. Try to get the easy stuff right before moving on to the tougher stuff.

I guess you don't know 1st team soccer parents.

I only know people who can math and people who can't math.

People can do math. They just think their kid is good enough to stick with the team even when they'll play even older kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how saying nothing at this point leads someone to believe it will stay the same? The only time the leagues need to say anything about the registration cutoff is before tryouts, and that’s a long way away. I can see MLSN and GA slow playing it to keep people on board as long as possible. But if you believe the change to SY will be a better fit for your DD or DS, then you better be looking at those leagues and teams this fall and spring.

Your logic makes no sense.

MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined. You seem to think that if a competitor makes a change that they have to respond? Again, MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined.

They wouldn't be responding to a competitor, they are going to have to respond to a supplier. The supplier provides mostly Aug-Dec players but MLSN/GA under BY would need Jan-May players. They will kick and scream but ultimately have to adjust to supply chain issues to maintain revenues and go SY. This is a business.

Why?

If MLSN stayed BY they'd get all the 1/1 to 4/1 players. If ECNL went SY MLSN could recruit all the top 8/1 to 12/1 players to MLSN and bioband them.

Agree with the other poster on MLSN delaying an extra year before switching to SY. They made implicit promises/relationships via extra trainings to Q1 kids and while they had the chance to try and unwind them and push the Q4 kids towards the best teams and positions, based on tryouts, they haven't acted yet. After a year of the young kids under SY they will realize that the Q1 kids entering U13 will be playing the less premier positions, being on the B teams and playing soccer as a second sport. Tough to maintain the illusion of elite is if you the players you take weren't younger stars but are now merely a bit bigger and older than the rest because they were born in Q1.

I mean, none of the ECNL clubs I know made any changes or picks for this coming year that would suggest they are switching to SY the year after. Yet they are. The vast majority of P2P clubs cannot plan or strategize more than a month or two in advance.

It is also cute that you think these clubs would not make a change because they are worried about breaking “promises” or hurting relationships. That’s got to be one of the more naive things I’ve read in this thread!

Clubs will do what they will do. So will parents of talented players, especially the ones willing to be the squeaky wheel -- already happens over everything else under the sun.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's talk try-out strategy for next year. With a potentially big shuffle, are people going to start attending other club's practices in Winter? If so, and your kid had an Aug-Dec birthday, will the club have them go to the practice with the current age group team, or the group below?

Current age group. If you are on grade (Aug-September) u stay with current team. If you are Oct - Dec and a grade younger than your teammates - u go down to the younger age group.

So if you’re not on grade and an Aug-Sept kid, do you go with the “on grade” team?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.sportingok.com/SORL-SF
Sporting KC affiliate

This is for their rec program.

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This looks like a rec program.

It is but you can see that MLSN isn't starting their own BY league

I’m confused as to how rec age groups this fall have anything to do with mlsnext starting a BY league at the younger ages. I don’t think they are either, but I don’t understand your point.

Think critically for a second....an affiliate to an MLS academy is starting a rec league based on the 8/1 registration, where could they possibly be going with this?

Ughh…to rec league…which was SY for them all the way back in 2023 too, and 2022, etc….

You’re grasping for something that isn’t there. MLSN is staying BY, there is zero evidence that they changed course.

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Anonymous wrote:The two things I can see happening if MLSN GA and DPL stay BY is that the big local tournaments where teams from different leagues play each other will be a thing of the past and littles leagues based on BY/SY will probably occur.

Don't forget that GA can run its own paperwork.

They could make GA start at u5

I hope GA does well, but for all its faults, USYS, owns the u-little space and its switching to SY.

USYS owns it because of rec soccer. State associations, which largely oversee rec, and “travel lite” are all credentialed by USYS.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how saying nothing at this point leads someone to believe it will stay the same? The only time the leagues need to say anything about the registration cutoff is before tryouts, and that’s a long way away. I can see MLSN and GA slow playing it to keep people on board as long as possible. But if you believe the change to SY will be a better fit for your DD or DS, then you better be looking at those leagues and teams this fall and spring.

Your logic makes no sense.

MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined. You seem to think that if a competitor makes a change that they have to respond? Again, MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined.

All leagues have current BY rules defined. And it's not a competitor that made a change, its US Soccer that made the change to allow all leagues to choose between BY or SY. It's reasonable to assume that all leagues (not just the three big ones that already have) that are governed by US Soccer (including GA and MLSN) will respond to US Soccer's change in giving leagues reasonable flexibility to decide their registration system. Just because MLSN and GA have said nothing to date on what US Soccer has done (i.e. allowing for flexibility), DOES NOT MEAN GA and MLSN won't change to a SY registration. If you can't understand that logic, then I'm sorry. And its reasonable to assume these organizations will acknowledge the change made by US Soccer (like the three big ones already have) and then announce how they're going to proceed (i.e. staying the same or going with one of the SY options) when the time is right for that league (i.e. sometime before tryouts).

Again, MLSN and GA already have BY rules in place. If BY is the direction they choose to go why do they have to announce anything?

Its like if a car company decided to start equipping their vehicles with square tires. Do all the other car companies have to make statements that they plan to continue using round tires? It doesnt make sense.

Hilarious you compared MLSN to a car company pushing square tires, that tracks hahaha

No, in the example I provided US Club would be the one equipping their leagues with "square tires".

That doesn't track, so far MLSN/GA are the lone holdouts.

This is a base rates issue.

If you say “all youth soccer” you’re right. Rec+ECNL

If you say elite club soccer, then ECNL is the only one to change…

I think this is probably why all the ECNL folks are so anxious. And keep wish-casting an imminent announcement by MLSN and GA.

ECNL put all their eggs in the basket with rec in attempt to disrupt the boys elite club landscape so that ECNL would stop losing ground. The risk is pretty high on the girls side, it’s a potential sacrifice of their girls side dominance if the boys side gambit doesn’t (nearly) flip the script on MLSN.

Seems extremely high risk, all or nothing. Hence the constant “Trish told me” stuff and then “of course MLSN is going SY, it only makes sense, just because they haven’t announced anything doesn’t mean they’re staying the course…they’d only stay the course if they announced that they’re stating BY…” illogic.

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Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

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Anonymous wrote: https://www.sportingok.com/SORL-SF
Sporting KC affiliate

This looks like a rec program.

It is but you can see that MLSN isn't starting their own BY league

I’m confused as to how rec age groups this fall have anything to do with mlsnext starting a BY league at the younger ages. I don’t think they are either, but I don’t understand your point.

Think critically for a second....an affiliate to an MLS academy is starting a rec league based on the 8/1 registration, where could they possibly be going with this?

Ughh…to rec league…which was SY for them all the way back in 2023 too, and 2022, etc….

You’re grasping for something that isn’t there. MLSN is staying BY, there is zero evidence that they changed course.

Crabby BY guy needs a hobby or a vacation. He holding on too tight.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how saying nothing at this point leads someone to believe it will stay the same? The only time the leagues need to say anything about the registration cutoff is before tryouts, and that’s a long way away. I can see MLSN and GA slow playing it to keep people on board as long as possible. But if you believe the change to SY will be a better fit for your DD or DS, then you better be looking at those leagues and teams this fall and spring.

Your logic makes no sense.

MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined. You seem to think that if a competitor makes a change that they have to respond? Again, MLSN GA have all current BY rules defined.

All leagues have current BY rules defined. And it's not a competitor that made a change, its US Soccer that made the change to allow all leagues to choose between BY or SY. It's reasonable to assume that all leagues (not just the three big ones that already have) that are governed by US Soccer (including GA and MLSN) will respond to US Soccer's change in giving leagues reasonable flexibility to decide their registration system. Just because MLSN and GA have said nothing to date on what US Soccer has done (i.e. allowing for flexibility), DOES NOT MEAN GA and MLSN won't change to a SY registration. If you can't understand that logic, then I'm sorry. And its reasonable to assume these organizations will acknowledge the change made by US Soccer (like the three big ones already have) and then announce how they're going to proceed (i.e. staying the same or going with one of the SY options) when the time is right for that league (i.e. sometime before tryouts).

Again, MLSN and GA already have BY rules in place. If BY is the direction they choose to go why do they have to announce anything?

Its like if a car company decided to start equipping their vehicles with square tires. Do all the other car companies have to make statements that they plan to continue using round tires? It doesnt make sense.

Hilarious you compared MLSN to a car company pushing square tires, that tracks hahaha

No, in the example I provided US Club would be the one equipping their leagues with "square tires".

That doesn't track, so far MLSN/GA are the lone holdouts.

This is a base rates issue.

If you say “all youth soccer” you’re right. Rec+ECNL

If you say elite club soccer, then ECNL is the only one to change…

I think this is probably why all the ECNL folks are so anxious. And keep wish-casting an imminent announcement by MLSN and GA.

ECNL put all their eggs in the basket with rec in attempt to disrupt the boys elite club landscape so that ECNL would stop losing ground. The risk is pretty high on the girls side, it’s a potential sacrifice of their girls side dominance if the boys side gambit doesn’t (nearly) flip the script on MLSN.

Seems extremely high risk, all or nothing. Hence the constant “Trish told me” stuff and then “of course MLSN is going SY, it only makes sense, just because they haven’t announced anything doesn’t mean they’re staying the course…they’d only stay the course if they announced that they’re stating BY…” illogic.

Exactly correct.

Theres multiple outcomes that could occur.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's talk try-out strategy for next year. With a potentially big shuffle, are people going to start attending other club's practices in Winter? If so, and your kid had an Aug-Dec birthday, will the club have them go to the practice with the current age group team, or the group below?

Current age group. If you are on grade (Aug-September) u stay with current team. If you are Oct - Dec and a grade younger than your teammates - u go down to the younger age group.

So if you’re not on grade and an Aug-Sept kid, do you go with the “on grade” team?

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:Let's talk try-out strategy for next year. With a potentially big shuffle, are people going to start attending other club's practices in Winter? If so, and your kid had an Aug-Dec birthday, will the club have them go to the practice with the current age group team, or the group below?

Current age group. If you are on grade (Aug-September) u stay with current team. If you are Oct - Dec and a grade younger than your teammates - u go down to the younger age group.

So if you’re not on grade and an Aug-Sept kid, do you go with the “on grade” team?

Yes

Or you do what many Au

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Anonymous wrote:Let's talk try-out strategy for next year. With a potentially big shuffle, are people going to start attending other club's practices in Winter? If so, and your kid had an Aug-Dec birthday, will the club have them go to the practice with the current age group team, or the group below?

Current age group. If you are on grade (Aug-September) u stay with current team. If you are Oct - Dec and a grade younger than your teammates - u go down to the younger age group.

So if you’re not on grade and an Aug-Sept kid, do you go with the “on grade” team?

Yes

Or you do what many Au

Or you do what many Aug birthday parents are dreaming about which is you not only not play up a grade as you would in BY groupings. You actually choose to play down a grade. Which will make your kid the biggest on the team but almost guarantee that they'll repeat a grade in school if they're any good.

This is why people are saying that switching from BY to SY without specific provisions not allowing playing down. Is just trading one issue (trapped players) for another issue, players playing down a grade in school so they can be the biggest one on their team.

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Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.