ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Yes, there is too much uncertainty across the board bc there are too many visions and too many organizations.

MLS is newer and, imo, isn't prepared for the growth it's undergoing. They seem to have a top down approach, which can be fine, but clubs can't figure out what to do with u11 and lower, nor what to do with the 2nd (by) and 3rd level teams (sy?)in some age brackets-especially in the 9v9 years. Top guys on those 3rd teams will make it to the 2nd team when it goes 11v11.

For many families, very little will change. But for some families, it's a big question, and, it's very challenging for the clubs right now and probably a big distraction, which can't be great for any of our clubs and coaches. This stuff gets in the way. I blame US soccer. Fairly inept. SY vs BY is just a other example of dysfunction. I guess I appreciate their attempts to find solutions and to keep trying? Probably too many cooks in the kitchen.

[Anonymous]

Add in bio banding too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

I would argue it’s not ECNL leaving the playground to play with little kids but actually getting upset they are losing and go get some bigger older kids.

Both leagues MLSN and ECNL will lose/swap players because most parents want their kid where they have an advantage.

I think this will effect MLSN more only in the sense that most kids who can play MLSN probably already are so ECNL will pick up the majority of 8/1-12/31 kids and MLSN will see more ECNL subs getting displaced which in the boys side for most teams isn’t much.

This age change definitely strengthens ECNL even more if MLSN stays BY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

I would argue it’s not ECNL leaving the playground to play with little kids but actually getting upset they are losing and go get some bigger older kids.

Both leagues MLSN and ECNL will lose/swap players because most parents want their kid where they have an advantage.

I think this will effect MLSN more only in the sense that most kids who can play MLSN probably already are so ECNL will pick up the majority of 8/1-12/31 kids and MLSN will see more ECNL subs getting displaced which in the boys side for most teams isn’t much.

This age change definitely strengthens ECNL even more if MLSN stays BY.

This is what I think MLSN2 is intended to address. MLS can maintain the Acadamies league as BY then use MLSN2 as SY to address ECNL.

If this was to happen it would be clear that to play MLS you'd need to play in MLSN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, there is too much uncertainty across the board bc there are too many visions and too many organizations.

MLS is newer and, imo, isn't prepared for the growth it's undergoing. They seem to have a top down approach, which can be fine, but clubs can't figure out what to do with u11 and lower, nor what to do with the 2nd (by) and 3rd level teams (sy?)in some age brackets-especially in the 9v9 years. Top guys on those 3rd teams will make it to the 2nd team when it goes 11v11.

For many families, very little will change. But for some families, it's a big question, and, it's very challenging for the clubs right now and probably a big distraction, which can't be great for any of our clubs and coaches. This stuff gets in the way. I blame US soccer. Fairly inept. SY vs BY is just an other example of dysfunction. I guess I appreciate their attempts to find solutions and to keep trying? Probably too many cooks in the kitchen.

What did you actually say?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

So youre saying that the top teams control who plays and for everyone else it doesnt matter.

Isn't this exactly what MLSN is already doing?

If MLS club tournaments stay BY and they dont participate in ECNL tournaments. Wouldn't ECNL be forced to play up against players 6 months older in MLS tournamants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

So youre saying that the top teams control who plays and for everyone else it doesnt matter.

Isn't this exactly what MLSN is already doing?

If MLS club tournaments stay BY and they dont participate in ECNL tournaments. Wouldn't ECNL be forced to play up against players 6 months older in MLS tournamants?

No I'm saying at ulittle ages clubs give the top teams better coaches more practices ect. That adds up over time. If the ulittle leagues are going to start favoring Q4's they are going to be the majority of the more developed players. Sure if you have money and pay for all the extras and accept a lower ulittle team you can make it through. But the majority of top team ulittle teams are going to become Q4 and Q1 instead of the current Q1 and Q2 make up today. Unless our culture changes to treat all u littles equally or the ulittle leagues become even more fractured with different age cutoffs the effects will matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

So youre saying that the top teams control who plays and for everyone else it doesnt matter.

Isn't this exactly what MLSN is already doing?

If MLS club tournaments stay BY and they dont participate in ECNL tournaments. Wouldn't ECNL be forced to play up against players 6 months older in MLS tournamants?

No I'm saying at ulittle ages clubs give the top teams better coaches more practices ect. That adds up over time. If the ulittle leagues are going to start favoring Q4's they are going to be the majority of the more developed players. Sure if you have money and pay for all the extras and accept a lower ulittle team you can make it through. But the majority of top team ulittle teams are going to become Q4 and Q1 instead of the current Q1 and Q2 make up today. Unless our culture changes to treat all u littles equally or the ulittle leagues become even more fractured with different age cutoffs the effects will matter.

OK I hear what you're saying but what I said still applies. The top clubs are BY this means if they stay BY the SY clubs will have to play at a 6 month disadvantage when participating in BY club tournaments.

[Anonymous]

I know that your next response will be that the littles are owned by XYZ and because of this everyone will change to SY.

What I'm saying is the longer MLSN and GA stay BY the more likely it is that the BY clubs will create their own BY littles and lower level leagues. Also maybe MLSN and GA are staying BY because they dont want their clubs playing against ECNL clubs.

[Anonymous]

Who said MLSN and GA staying BY? The likelihood of all leagues going SY next season is more likely than not. Even ECNL hasn’t made a formal announcement yet. All you Q2 and Q4 parents are foaming at the mouth for some tea leaves. Nothing official till probably late Fall anyway. Relax and enjoy your summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who said MLSN and GA staying BY? The likelihood of all leagues going SY next season is more likely than not. Even ECNL hasn’t made a formal announcement yet. All you Q2 and Q4 parents are foaming at the mouth for some tea leaves. Nothing official till probably late Fall anyway. Relax and enjoy your summer.

Its entertaining making the parents excited to play down go insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who said MLSN and GA staying BY? The likelihood of all leagues going SY next season is more likely than not. Even ECNL hasn’t made a formal announcement yet. All you Q2 and Q4 parents are foaming at the mouth for some tea leaves. Nothing official till probably late Fall anyway. Relax and enjoy your summer.

Its entertaining making the parents excited to try to stay playing down go insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

So youre saying that the top teams control who plays and for everyone else it doesnt matter.

Isn't this exactly what MLSN is already doing?

If MLS club tournaments stay BY and they dont participate in ECNL tournaments. Wouldn't ECNL be forced to play up against players 6 months older in MLS tournamants?

No I'm saying at ulittle ages clubs give the top teams better coaches more practices ect. That adds up over time. If the ulittle leagues are going to start favoring Q4's they are going to be the majority of the more developed players. Sure if you have money and pay for all the extras and accept a lower ulittle team you can make it through. But the majority of top team ulittle teams are going to become Q4 and Q1 instead of the current Q1 and Q2 make up today. Unless our culture changes to treat all u littles equally or the ulittle leagues become even more fractured with different age cutoffs the effects will matter.

OK I hear what you're saying but what I said still applies. The top clubs are BY this means if they stay BY the SY clubs will have to play at a 6 month disadvantage when participating in BY club tournaments.

You have it backwards. Mlsn will have to play up in tournament play

And the top clubs are not staying by, everyone but mlsn is going sy.