ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

So youre saying that the top teams control who plays and for everyone else it doesnt matter.

Isn't this exactly what MLSN is already doing?

If MLS club tournaments stay BY and they dont participate in ECNL tournaments. Wouldn't ECNL be forced to play up against players 6 months older in MLS tournamants?

No I'm saying at ulittle ages clubs give the top teams better coaches more practices ect. That adds up over time. If the ulittle leagues are going to start favoring Q4's they are going to be the majority of the more developed players. Sure if you have money and pay for all the extras and accept a lower ulittle team you can make it through. But the majority of top team ulittle teams are going to become Q4 and Q1 instead of the current Q1 and Q2 make up today. Unless our culture changes to treat all u littles equally or the ulittle leagues become even more fractured with different age cutoffs the effects will matter.

Hunoring your theory on RAE’s future impact due to Rec changes to BY.

What you’re failing to see is that it doesn’t matter. Just because the best u13 kids are Q1 today, and possibly Q3 in 4 or 5 years doesn’t mean MLSN needs to change their age brackets. Nor does it mean the said future Q3 would not go MLSN….

Youre creating theories that have layers of “and if”’s. Occams Razor says that it just means MLSN will have more Q3s on their BY teams…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how the ECNL hat in this thread isnt getting the feedback that he wanted. So he created a new thread highlighting his boner for ECNL called "US Youth Soccer Pyramid"?

This is why people dont like ECNL.

Do people like GA?

And here we have example 954 of why people can’t wrap their head around MLSN and GA not going SY…girl parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who said MLSN and GA staying BY? The likelihood of all leagues going SY next season is more likely than not. Even ECNL hasn’t made a formal announcement yet. All you Q2 and Q4 parents are foaming at the mouth for some tea leaves. Nothing official till probably late Fall anyway. Relax and enjoy your summer.

Likelihood based on what? Zoltar? 🤣

You’re making up “liklihoods” because it’s what you want to be true.

[Anonymous]

Since this has become an everything about youth soccer forum. Has any heard of MLSN 2 will allow biobanding next year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notice how the ECNL hat in this thread isnt getting the feedback that he wanted. So he created a new thread highlighting his boner for ECNL called "US Youth Soccer Pyramid"?

This is why people dont like ECNL.

Do people like GA?

No one likes youth soccer we think we do until about 3 years in then it’s just getting through it until are kids either quit or go play in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notice how the ECNL hat in this thread isnt getting the feedback that he wanted. So he created a new thread highlighting his boner for ECNL called "US Youth Soccer Pyramid"?

This is why people dont like ECNL.

Do people like GA?

No one likes youth soccer we think we do until about 3 years in then it’s just getting through it until are kids either quit or go play in college.

Sigh… you’re not wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notice how the ECNL hat in this thread isnt getting the feedback that he wanted. So he created a new thread highlighting his boner for ECNL called "US Youth Soccer Pyramid"?

This is why people dont like ECNL.

Do people like GA?

No one likes youth soccer we think we do until about 3 years in then it’s just getting through it until are kids either quit or go play in college.

Sigh… you’re not wrong.

This is the most accurate statement in the last 1100+ pages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who said MLSN and GA staying BY? The likelihood of all leagues going SY next season is more likely than not. Even ECNL hasn’t made a formal announcement yet. All you Q2 and Q4 parents are foaming at the mouth for some tea leaves. Nothing official till probably late Fall anyway. Relax and enjoy your summer.

Likelihood based on what? Zoltar? 🤣

You’re making up “liklihoods” because it’s what you want to be true.

Your obstinacy is so adorable. Sounds like you really want the opposite to be true; and cannot seem to shut up about it.

I have zero skin in the game as a parent of a HS senior. Our club has both GA and MLSN and the informal communication between coaches and parents is that the club will switch to Aug 1st next year, but probably not restructure the teams for the spring season at all. The few ECNL parents I know have said they’ve been told by coaches they will go august 1st next year, but the club will likely not make a formal announcement until later in the year to not disrupt the Fall season.

Based on this, and the fact that all the u12 and under are changing, i believe it’s more likely than not that all youth soccer goes Aug 1st next year. Either way, I’m sure it will all work out okay for your kid. Meanwhile, you should relax, as all that angst will spill over to your kid and nothing good will come of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mlsn isn’t changing 26/27. They won’t feel the effects until tryouts 27/28 imo. 26/27 they’re still recruiting from by rosters. As the years progress the by kid will be lower in the totem pole on the rosters they recruit from. I can see them changing 1 or 2 years after. They cant remain the top boys league while recruiting that 5th and under best kid on their ulittle teams.

And no they won’t just bioband every q4

The effects of what?

I’m a SY proponent. And also totally OK with MLSN and GA staying BY. Who cares?! But what are these magical “effects”?

ECNL girls is dominant. ECNL boys isn’t. On the boys side this is like ECNL not liking the way the teams were picked, and leaving the playground to go play with the little kids. What is MORE likely in that scenario is ECNL losing kids that want to keep playing on the playground. What is unlikely is the kids on the other team agreeing, and quiting their “unfairly stacked” team, and going to play with the little kids with ECNL.

The effect of Rae

Indisputable that the current top rosters skew q1 and q2, even more so with the ulittles. Think we can all agree the change to school year is going to flip to 8-12 for the ulittles.

And if there’s one thing that’s certain, the majority of parents are going to do whatever they can for any advantage

Exactly if you think the 2nd and 3rd teams at ulittle ages are getting the same quality of training as the 1st teams then sure there will be no issues. For a year or two not aligning will have little impact. After that it will matter.

So youre saying that the top teams control who plays and for everyone else it doesnt matter.

Isn't this exactly what MLSN is already doing?

If MLS club tournaments stay BY and they dont participate in ECNL tournaments. Wouldn't ECNL be forced to play up against players 6 months older in MLS tournamants?

No I'm saying at ulittle ages clubs give the top teams better coaches more practices ect. That adds up over time. If the ulittle leagues are going to start favoring Q4's they are going to be the majority of the more developed players. Sure if you have money and pay for all the extras and accept a lower ulittle team you can make it through. But the majority of top team ulittle teams are going to become Q4 and Q1 instead of the current Q1 and Q2 make up today. Unless our culture changes to treat all u littles equally or the ulittle leagues become even more fractured with different age cutoffs the effects will matter.

Hunoring your theory on RAE’s future impact due to Rec changes to BY.

What you’re failing to see is that it doesn’t matter. Just because the best u13 kids are Q1 today, and possibly Q3 in 4 or 5 years doesn’t mean MLSN needs to change their age brackets. Nor does it mean the said future Q3 would not go MLSN….

Youre creating theories that have layers of “and if”’s. Occams Razor says that it just means MLSN will have more Q3s on their BY teams…

You can rule out all but a few Q4s going to MLSN as they age up if MLSN stay BY. MLSN won't be able to evaluate them correctly as they will be playing a year below where they would for MLSN. And no reason to bioband a Q4 when you can bioband a Q1 and really take advantage of the age discrepancy. MLSN teams under BY will need to continue to load up on Q1 and Q2 players to be competitive under BY but Q1s and Q2s will be buried in the younger ages, just like Q3s and Q4s are buried today. It would be nice if MLSN could maintain BY so kids born in all quarters could have similar opportunities but the market will convergence towards SY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know when the ECNL app flips over for the year? I am assuming Aug 1? All prior results and rosters are gone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

Thanks BY crazy guy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who said MLSN and GA staying BY? The likelihood of all leagues going SY next season is more likely than not. Even ECNL hasn’t made a formal announcement yet. All you Q2 and Q4 parents are foaming at the mouth for some tea leaves. Nothing official till probably late Fall anyway. Relax and enjoy your summer.

Likelihood based on what? Zoltar? 🤣

You’re making up “liklihoods” because it’s what you want to be true.

Your obstinacy is so adorable. Sounds like you really want the opposite to be true; and cannot seem to shut up about it.

I have zero skin in the game as a parent of a HS senior. Our club has both GA and MLSN and the informal communication between coaches and parents is that the club will switch to Aug 1st next year, but probably not restructure the teams for the spring season at all. The few ECNL parents I know have said they’ve been told by coaches they will go august 1st next year, but the club will likely not make a formal announcement until later in the year to not disrupt the Fall season.

Based on this, and the fact that all the u12 and under are changing, i believe it’s more likely than not that all youth soccer goes Aug 1st next year. Either way, I’m sure it will all work out okay for your kid. Meanwhile, you should relax, as all that angst will spill over to your kid and nothing good will come of it.

And there you have it. PP was correct.

BTW, coaches for GA and MLSN are most definitely not saying they’re switching in 26. Unless those coaches coach u-little as well as GA / MLSN and parents are confusing the tiers leagues. I know this because I am firsthand read into GA.

(A previous poster posted a link a few pages back to a rec age bracket for a club, and assumed that also meant MLSN, so it’s probably a wishful/misunderstanding)