FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

[Anonymous]

The answer for Crossfield is that they need to be a split feeder. There are homes closer to Skyview and there are homes closer to Oakton. Unlike Oak Hill, which prioritized staying together vs having some streets walk to Franklin, Crossfield could not reach an agreement that makes either side happy, someone was bound to be hurt.

And Westfield should be picking up students from Centreville, there is no good reason for Centreville to be overcrowded at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

That’s not the conclusion FCPS’ transport team reached based on data.

Just because it was ostensibly "based on data" doesn't guarantee the analysis and/or conclusions are correct. People (esp. these unsophisticated SB members and FCPS staff) conduct faulty analysis all the time. And that bus data is clearly inaccurate.

I question less the accuracy of the data and more whether it’s an apt comparison. Middle school is two grades while high school is four. That means there’s a denser population of students to fill a bus more quickly (yes, many high schoolers can drive, but how many formally opt out of bus services for calculating routes?) Second, there are the AAP routes for Navy and Waples Mill that are commingled with Crossfield routes. The Waples Mill buses would wildly inflate the average Crossfield bus times. They should be running comprehensive bus routes for the various scenarios, but nobody seems to ever want to use the software that the transportation team invested in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can always pupil place to Skyview for the pathways.

"You can always isolate your kid from all their friends and neighbors" is not the great argument you think it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can always pupil place to Skyview for the pathways.

"You can always isolate your kid from all their friends and neighbors" is not the great argument you think it is.

Your area came out of this situation way ahead. You are zoned to Oakton, one of the highest rated FCPS HS. You can opt into Skyview, a beautiful new school very close by.

I'll save my sympathy for the poor kids Seema Dixit deliberately screwed over and the families stuck at the disaster FCPS is choosing to create at Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Westfield just won two state championships in basketball and soccer. They should be benefitting from some good press and community excitement. Instead they are bleeding teachers and students. It's a real shame

The consultants claiming their main goal was to eliminate split feeders is completely disingenous.

They created a new split feeder specifically to send a low income area that is walkable to Chantilly over to Westfield, and they didn't fix Bull Run--the most obvious split feeder that clearly should have been sent to Westfield. So its important to fix split feeders, except in the Westfield pyramid? That logic doesn't logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

Westwood Hills is the closest spot. South Lakes is the same distance as Skyview to that neighborhood. The transportation times are likely comparable to those two schools and Oakton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can always pupil place to Skyview for the pathways.

"You can always isolate your kid from all their friends and neighbors" is not the great argument you think it is.

Your area came out of this situation way ahead. You are zoned to Oakton, one of the highest rated FCPS HS. You can opt into Skyview, a beautiful new school very close by.

I'll save my sympathy for the poor kids Seema Dixit deliberately screwed over and the families stuck at the disaster FCPS is choosing to create at Westfield.

agree with this. you are getting what you already chose when you moved in-Oakton. you ALSO are getting an option to attend Skyview if your kid wants to do the specialty classes there. i get that you personally preferred Skyview, but you are still better off then you were before Skyview was purchased.

A lot of people are worse off including the kids remaining at SL and Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Per Kyle McDaniel and the FCPS staff that looks at those numbers “ It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.” And yes, the AT&T site was included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Per Kyle McDaniel and the FCPS staff that looks at those numbers “ It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.” And yes, the AT&T site was included.

"Proposed" is a big category. Not sure I would include "Proposed" housing in my analyses, personally.

I'm honestly surprised there is space in Reston for 7000 apartments? condos?. That area is pretty built out. Where are they going up?

[Anonymous]

I think Seema has a secret plan to zone all the new affordable housing they are trying to build in Centreville HS boundary over to the empty seats at Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer for Crossfield is that they need to be a split feeder. There are homes closer to Skyview and there are homes closer to Oakton. Unlike Oak Hill, which prioritized staying together vs having some streets walk to Franklin, Crossfield could not reach an agreement that makes either side happy, someone was bound to be hurt.

And Westfield should be picking up students from Centreville, there is no good reason for Centreville to be overcrowded at this point.

Or the answer was let them adjust elementary schools. Because some of the areas should not be in the same schools with each other. Then the transportation calculation may have been different and may have made more sense when comparing. But people were too scared to let them make logical boundaries.

I currently live 5 minutes walk to an elementary school we are not able to attend. That fcps told us we were not in walking zone for because a 25mile speed limit street can not be crossed safely, with crosswalks and stop signs in place. Yet our current bus stop is on that street and our kids have to cross it to get on and off the bus. lol. They are just not making sense and wasteful of our funds.