FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

[Anonymous]

Crossfield parent here who has officially thrown in the towel. Nice knowing you all, I guess I don't need to follow this thread anymore.

[Anonymous]

You can always pupil place to Skyview for the pathways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crossfield parent here who has officially thrown in the towel. Nice knowing you all, I guess I don't need to follow this thread anymore.

If you have younger kids, you can pupil place for the pathways and ask for a bus exemption at a bus stop close by your house.

We were planning on asking for a bus exemption for one of the Floris or Crossfield stops by Fox Mill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing on the slideshow that suggest that Westfield parents made comments...it only shows positive/ negative comments for students getting moved to various HS. What was ignored was the few communities that are getting moved to Westfield from Chantilly

The slideshow has the maps with red dots for negative comments. When you clicked on the map location in the tool, you marked it red or green, and wrote a comment. Its all red (angry) comments directly on Westfield and that whole middle area including the Brookfield cut out area being sent to Westfield. Also angry comments right over Walney Oaks-who do you think is leaving those?

The lone red dot over Seema's house is someone pissed off at her machinations who left an angry comment probably along the lines of this area and Seems's house should be moved to Westfield.

Agree. The sea of red commentary right over Westfield and the one lone dot right over Seema's street are a combination of pissed off Westfield parents, Cub Run people who wanted to stay at Rocky Run/Chantilly, and Brookfield parents who wanted to stay at Chantilly. FCPS is ignoring all of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The whole RIO thing is just disgustingly insane, but the ship has sailed, I guess...

Why?

Because staff has now posted a final recommendation that gives RIO what it wants (no move of Oakton students to Skyview) and the School Board member who has apparently been designated by the majority coalition on the board to take a lead role on the Skyview boundaries (McDaniel) is telling people he supports that.

It's a shame for Westfield, but it's not the first time that FCPS has made boundary changes that sent a school into a tailspin. Annandale and Lewis are the two prime examples from years past, and the changes they made earlier this year also screw Justice and Marshall, although not to the same extent as what they are about to do to Westfield.

This is ridiculous. The most outspoken member of the board on moving Crossfield to Skyview and independent consultants all came to the same conclusion based on data and because you aren’t getting what you want you’re continuing to craft a false narrative. That’s called bias.

[Anonymous]

The Centreville renovation should be completely canceled. The school is functional as-is. Its not crumbling or falling down.

Spending a fortune renovating or expanding a school with hundreds of empty seats at South Lakes and 800 or more empty seats at Westfield is a fraud on the taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

That’s not the conclusion FCPS’ transport team reached based on data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

That’s not the conclusion FCPS’ transport team reached based on data.

It just really defies logic or common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Centreville renovation should be completely canceled. The school is functional as-is. Its not crumbling or falling down.

Spending a fortune renovating or expanding a school with hundreds of empty seats at South Lakes and 800 or more empty seats at Westfield is a fraud on the taxpayers.

I agree with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

Its crazy to do this to what is a functioning, completely average FCPS HS at the moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

That’s not the conclusion FCPS’ transport team reached based on data.

Just because it was ostensibly "based on data" doesn't guarantee the analysis and/or conclusions are correct. People (esp. these unsophisticated SB members and FCPS staff) conduct faulty analysis all the time. And that bus data is clearly inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

agree that this is the most likely scenario. also it will be impossible to rezone any one back into westfield once this happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

[Anonymous]

Westfield just won two state championships in basketball and soccer. They should be benefitting from some good press and community excitement. Instead they are bleeding teachers and students. It's a real shame