FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Yes.

No, please read the prior post and use fact not opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield just won two state championships in basketball and soccer. They should be benefitting from some good press and community excitement. Instead they are bleeding teachers and students. It's a real shame

The consultants claiming their main goal was to eliminate split feeders is completely disingenous.

They created a new split feeder specifically to send a low income area that is walkable to Chantilly over to Westfield, and they didn't fix Bull Run--the most obvious split feeder that clearly should have been sent to Westfield. So its important to fix split feeders, except in the Westfield pyramid? That logic doesn't logic.

Anyone paying attention to the various scenarios watched the consultants suggest logical boundaries for Westfield, only to have those logical suggestions strangely disappear in the next iteration of maps.

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Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

LOL! Like RIO based their lobbying on facts?

Here are some real facts:
Most of Crossfield population is much, much closer in mileage and time to Carson/KAA. McDaniel's analysis is flawed. First, the Carson kids from Crossfield live much, much closer than the Crossfield school. McDaniel lives in the area, he knows that. However, he does live very close to Crossfield school. He also lives very close to South Lakes. In fact, right now, his street is less than 10 minutes from South Lakes. It is almost 20 minutes from Oakton. And 12 minutes to Carson. (googlemaps)

No group lobbied more on emotion than RIO. Next would be Walney Oaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Seema has a secret plan to zone all the new affordable housing they are trying to build in Centreville HS boundary over to the empty seats at Westfield.

I would love to know what comment was left over her house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

Its crazy to do this to what is a functioning, completely average FCPS HS at the moment.

But you can tell from an earlier post that some people think it’s a perfectly acceptable outcome. As long as they get theirs, they are ready to bring the marshmallows to toast over the dumpster fire FCPS is leaving behind at Westfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Yes.

No, please read the prior post and use fact not opinion.

Current data from realtor.com:

Reston new construction: 18
Oakton new construction: 68

Projections are one thing. Ongoing new construction in Oakton has already begun. Reston--just projection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

Its crazy to do this to what is a functioning, completely average FCPS HS at the moment.

But you can tell from an earlier post that some people think it’s a perfectly acceptable outcome. As long as they get theirs, they are ready to bring the marshmallows to toast over the dumpster fire FCPS is leaving behind at Westfield.

The parents at adjacent schools should be concerned, because their schools will be overcrowded with Westfield refugees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

Its crazy to do this to what is a functioning, completely average FCPS HS at the moment.

But you can tell from an earlier post that some people think it’s a perfectly acceptable outcome. As long as they get theirs, they are ready to bring the marshmallows to toast over the dumpster fire FCPS is leaving behind at Westfield.

The parents at adjacent schools should be concerned, because their schools will be overcrowded with Westfield refugees.

Yep, exhibit a: West Springfield HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

LOL! Like RIO based their lobbying on facts?

Here are some real facts:
Most of Crossfield population is much, much closer in mileage and time to Carson/KAA. McDaniel's analysis is flawed. First, the Carson kids from Crossfield live much, much closer than the Crossfield school. McDaniel lives in the area, he knows that. However, he does live very close to Crossfield school. He also lives very close to South Lakes. In fact, right now, his street is less than 10 minutes from South Lakes. It is almost 20 minutes from Oakton. And 12 minutes to Carson. (googlemaps)

No group lobbied more on emotion than RIO. Next would be Walney Oaks.

I think it’s much more reasonable to trust the findings of independent consultants who have a proven track record in creating school boundaries and elected officials, particularly one that you all championed the last year than a random anonymous poster. I’m sorry you didn’t get what you wanted. You’re free to change your mind on the pyramid you bought into but you’ve blamed those who haven’t changed their mind for far too long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Yes.

No, please read the prior post and use fact not opinion.

Current data from realtor.com:

Reston new construction: 18
Oakton new construction: 68

Projections are one thing. Ongoing new construction in Oakton has already begun. Reston--just projection.

Realtor.com or FCPS staff we pay to look at this analysis? Let me guess you also trust Realtor.com to give you an accurate home appraisal. This might be one of the more ridiculous things I’ve read in this thread…searching for straws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they ever moved 1000+ students out of a high school before and left 800+ seats open? That is a huge number.

Putting aside the very real issue of having to lose so many classmates, teachers and course options for the Westfield students, that is an incredible misuse of taxpayer dollars and resources.

No, and what's going to happen when this all shakes out is what happens every time FCPS picks a school to be the designated "loser".

Any MC or UMC family who can figure out how to get their kids into the great schools right next door to Westfield will do so, by hook or by crook. The school will then not have enough academically minded students to offer sufficient AP classes and electives, so more MC students will disappear and the school ratings will tank.

People with kids won't move into the school zone, because the school has a low rating. In a few years, Westfield will have 1600 students in a school built for 3000, most of them low income. Exactly like Justice---so close to much better schools.

Its crazy to do this to what is a functioning, completely average FCPS HS at the moment.

But you can tell from an earlier post that some people think it’s a perfectly acceptable outcome. As long as they get theirs, they are ready to bring the marshmallows to toast over the dumpster fire FCPS is leaving behind at Westfield.

The parents at adjacent schools should be concerned, because their schools will be overcrowded with Westfield refugees.

Yep, exhibit a: West Springfield HS.

What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just used Folkstone/West Ox as a starting point. Almost 10 miles to Oakton and less than 3 to Carson.
Using Crossfield as the starting point is bogus. No one going to Carson lives that far.

And, the time--using express lanes is 15 minutes.
Eight minutes to Carson.

And, most of the population lives closer to Carson than that intersection.

He must be getting pushback from some Crossfield people now.

This tells me that Meren is putting pressure on him now. She's had a year to do that.

You realize buses follow a route... They go to different neighborhoods both towards and away from the assigned school and even backtrack.

Folkstone is slightly more than 6 miles from Oakton and 4 from Carson. Where are you getting your distances from?

Google maps right now has over 7 miles to Oakton a d 3.9 to Carson. 16 vs 12 min in car, not bus from the intersection of Folkstone and Fox Mill. That is just about the closest Crossfield spot to Oakton.. most of Crossfield is much, much closer to Carson. But you know that.

Next, you and McDaniel might consider distance to South Lakes.

South Lakes needs the extra capacity for future growth. Let’s make arguments based on facts and not emotion.

Isn't there more housing going up in Oakton then South Lakes area?

Yes.

No, please read the prior post and use fact not opinion.

Current data from realtor.com:

Reston new construction: 18
Oakton new construction: 68

Projections are one thing. Ongoing new construction in Oakton has already begun. Reston--just projection.

This is not a valid metric. This most likely reflects tear down houses being replaced with new construction.

[Anonymous]

I’d be curious how many of those 7,000 new units in Reston are condos vs townhomes/SFH. If it’s all condos, I imagine the student yield at the high school level wouldn’t be a ton.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d be curious how many of those 7,000 new units in Reston are condos vs townhomes/SFH. If it’s all condos, I imagine the student yield at the high school level wouldn’t be a ton.

But if this was the opposite case and it was 7,000 new units in Oakton, others would be convinced it’s all going to be families. FCPS has done analysis on student yields for most of this construction, the consultants used it in their analysis. Don’t take it from me, ask them tonight.

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Anonymous wrote:Good evening:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the ongoing Skyview High School boundary review process, specifically the impact to Crossfield Elementary School.

Since the outset of this conversation last fall, I raised the transportation and capacity challenges associated with Crossfield ES remaining at Oakton HS. As I have stated several times, it's not the fault of the western communities that the boundary lines are such that kids have to ride a school bus forty-five minutes to an hour one way to get to their base school; Oakton HS in this case. Additionally, I am concerned about the housing development approved in the central Oakton corridor that will potentially exacerbate the capacity challenges at Oakton HS. Today, Oakton HS is at 103% capacity with around 2,000 housing units approved and awaiting construction.

Over the last few months, I have worked with transportation and facilities staff to analyze these issues in depth to help me determine whether Crossfield ES should remain at Oakton HS, or be sent to Skyview HS. Thanks to our very capable transportation staff and the analysis they provided me, the average bussing times are:

Crossfield ES to Oakton HS: 45 minutes
Crossfield ES to Carson MS: 47 minutes

Although there are no times available for a hypothetical route from Crossfield ES to Skyview HS, Carson MS is next door and provides a good benchmark for the data. This is to say, that sending Crossfield ES to Skyview HS will not result in any measurable transportation efficiencies.

In that time, another key detail has surfaced which also impacts my decision making process: Skyview HS does not have the capacity available to absorb both Crossfield ES and Fox Mill ES. Based on the feedback from the Fox Mill ES community, I believe Fox Mill ES should be sent to Skyview HS. It is also worth noting that within the South Lakes HS pyramid, there are over 7,000 housing units proposed or approved which would yield significantly more students into South Lakes HS than the housing units proposed or approved for Oakton HS.

The final scenario generated by the Superintendent and her staff indicates that Crossfield ES be sent to Franklin MS and remain at Oakton HS. Based on the available transportation and capacity data, as well as the community feedback, my expectation is that Crossfield ES remain at Oakton HS, while also being aligned to Franklin MS.

Crossfield to Carson takes 47 minutes???? Did they bike it??

No that's what it takes for my neighborhood which is 45 min, but as i said it's 35 to oakton.

The conversation here always focused on Franklin Farm and not neighborhoods closest to Crossfield which are right next to non Navy Island neighborhoods and across from neighborhoods zoned to Madison.

NO one in Crossfield area is closer to Oakton in milieage or time than to Skyview. Most of them are less than 10 minutes most from Skyview.

That’s not the conclusion FCPS’ transport team reached based on data.

I assume they only used bus routes and not driving time (like not how long it takes a teen to drive himself to school).