King Abdullah Academy Closing: FCPS Buy for HS?

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

Where do you think these kids are going to come from when all the schools near Westfield have a lot of ELL/FARMS kids? Did you wake up one morning and think you were living in Great Falls?

If you pull three feeders out of Westfield, you need to move someone into Westfield. Brookfield is high FARMS (58%). Lees Corner and Poplar Tree are too close to Chantilly to move. Powell is too close to Centreville to move. So you're basically left with Bull Run (43% FARMS) or Centre Ridge (50% FARMS). As between the two, Bull Run is already a split feeder to Westfield and Centreville and makes more sense. And they can send all of Cub Run to Westfield as well.

Honestly, it's starting to get amusing that you can get so enthusiastic about FCPS dropping $150 million to buy KAA because it's a "win" for western Fairfax, and then want to avoid the ramifications.

Lees Corner is on the other side of Rt-50, which means no walkers. Parents will argue their kids can bike to school. Thru has already been chiseling into their boundaries to balance Chantilly populations. That’d be my guess.

That was done without regard to the KAA acquisition. In the first instance, they'll be moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly now. Most of Lees Corner is too close to Chantilly to contemplate moving to a different school.

Some of the Bull Run ES neighborhoods PP is suggesting should be moved to Westfield are much closer to Centreville HS. (6 miles vs. 2 miles). Someone has to be moved or Westfield will end up with 1800 kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are AAP "centers" with just one class per grade? What's the point of changing schools for that?

It serves Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield, I think.

Bull Run ES AAP kids are zone for CVHS or Westfield. It is a really small AAP center, one of the smallest.

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

Where do you think these kids are going to come from when all the schools near Westfield have a lot of ELL/FARMS kids? Did you wake up one morning and think you were living in Great Falls?

If you pull three feeders out of Westfield, you need to move someone into Westfield. Brookfield is high FARMS (58%). Lees Corner and Poplar Tree are too close to Chantilly to move. Powell is too close to Centreville to move. So you're basically left with Bull Run (43% FARMS) or Centre Ridge (50% FARMS). As between the two, Bull Run is already a split feeder to Westfield and Centreville and makes more sense. And they can send all of Cub Run to Westfield as well.

Honestly, it's starting to get amusing that you can get so enthusiastic about FCPS dropping $150 million to buy KAA because it's a "win" for western Fairfax, and then want to avoid the ramifications.

Lees Corner is on the other side of Rt-50, which means no walkers. Parents will argue their kids can bike to school. Thru has already been chiseling into their boundaries to balance Chantilly populations. That’d be my guess.

That was done without regard to the KAA acquisition. In the first instance, they'll be moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly now. Most of Lees Corner is too close to Chantilly to contemplate moving to a different school.

Some of the Bull Run ES neighborhoods PP is suggesting should be moved to Westfield are much closer to Centreville HS. (6 miles vs. 2 miles). Someone has to be moved or Westfield will end up with 1800 kids.

What I wouldn’t give to have my kids go to a school with less than 2,000 students. Fairfax has lost all perspective on ideal school size.

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

Oh, please. Look at the numbers of FARMS being pulled out of Westfield. Higher than those suggested to go in.

Mathematically, no. The 31---->37% percent math is correct.

Bull Run is 43%
Cub Run is 22%

Coates is 50%
McNair is 30%
Floris is 14%--however, the number is higher for those in current Westfield boundary. Remember, much of Floris goes to South Lakes and does not include the multi-family housing that is in boundary for Westfield.

How do you get the number going up? You are removing more high FARMS than you are adding.

Because the percentage of FARMs are proportional to the number of students each school yields. If you want to make it easier, look at the FARM rate for Stone compared to Westfield. It’s higher because the FARM rate being fed from Carson is lower (obviously you can’t use Carson’s rate alone since it splits to other schools and has so many AAP transfers.)

But, you have totally left out the AAP kids at Rocky Run who go to Westfield. That changes your stats significantly.
Congratulations! Your enrollment goes up and your FARMS stats go down. Westfield will be just fine.

Oh, I have numbers for this for you math people. My dd is going to Westfield from RR for 9th next year. Its 33 AAP kids. (Bull Run AAP is a really small program, my kid's year they only had one class per grade.) Of course some of these kids are probably on free/reduced lunch but no clue how many.

33 kids, a portion of who are on free lunch doesn't seem like it would really change the math much.....

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Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

Oh, please. Look at the numbers of FARMS being pulled out of Westfield. Higher than those suggested to go in.

Mathematically, no. The 31---->37% percent math is correct.

Bull Run is 43%
Cub Run is 22%

Coates is 50%
McNair is 30%
Floris is 14%--however, the number is higher for those in current Westfield boundary. Remember, much of Floris goes to South Lakes and does not include the multi-family housing that is in boundary for Westfield.

How do you get the number going up? You are removing more high FARMS than you are adding.

Because the percentage of FARMs are proportional to the number of students each school yields. If you want to make it easier, look at the FARM rate for Stone compared to Westfield. It’s higher because the FARM rate being fed from Carson is lower (obviously you can’t use Carson’s rate alone since it splits to other schools and has so many AAP transfers.)

But, you have totally left out the AAP kids at Rocky Run who go to Westfield. That changes your stats significantly.
Congratulations! Your enrollment goes up and your FARMS stats go down. Westfield will be just fine.

Oh, I have numbers for this for you math people. My dd is going to Westfield from RR for 9th next year. Its 33 AAP kids. (Bull Run AAP is a really small program, my kid's year they only had one class per grade.) Of course some of these kids are probably on free/reduced lunch but no clue how many.

33 kids, a portion of who are on free lunch doesn't seem like it would really change the math much.....

Still doesn't explain the numbers. Must be a lot of kids going to TJ or IB schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

HHS is around 40% and we have all watched Langley parents throw conniption fits for years over the mere prospect of being moved. So its understandable that the Stone and Westfield families--whose schools already have more than their "fair share" of ELL and FARMs kids--aren't thrilled with pp's great ideas.

The SB is going to need to find some middle class/UMC areas to add to Westfield's attendance numbers. As previously pointed out, no one wants their kids to be moved down so the CHS parents will scream.

Where do you think these kids are going to come from when all the schools near Westfield have a lot of ELL/FARMS kids? Did you wake up one morning and think you were living in Great Falls?

If you pull three feeders out of Westfield, you need to move someone into Westfield. Brookfield is high FARMS (58%). Lees Corner and Poplar Tree are too close to Chantilly to move. Powell is too close to Centreville to move. So you're basically left with Bull Run (43% FARMS) or Centre Ridge (50% FARMS). As between the two, Bull Run is already a split feeder to Westfield and Centreville and makes more sense. And they can send all of Cub Run to Westfield as well.

Honestly, it's starting to get amusing that you can get so enthusiastic about FCPS dropping $150 million to buy KAA because it's a "win" for western Fairfax, and then want to avoid the ramifications.

Lees Corner is on the other side of Rt-50, which means no walkers. Parents will argue their kids can bike to school. Thru has already been chiseling into their boundaries to balance Chantilly populations. That’d be my guess.

That was done without regard to the KAA acquisition. In the first instance, they'll be moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly now. Most of Lees Corner is too close to Chantilly to contemplate moving to a different school.

Some of the Bull Run ES neighborhoods PP is suggesting should be moved to Westfield are much closer to Centreville HS. (6 miles vs. 2 miles). Someone has to be moved or Westfield will end up with 1800 kids.

What I wouldn’t give to have my kids go to a school with less than 2,000 students. Fairfax has lost all perspective on ideal school size.

If FCPS offered the same programming, clubs, extracurriculars at every HS, I don't think anyone would complain about an 1800 student school. For instance, Langley is a really small school but has tons of opportunities and advanced courses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Running the numbers, if Westfield lost Floris, Coates, and McNair while picking up all of Bull Run and Cub Run, its FARM rate would increase from 31.31% to 37%. It would also be less than 1900 students, so it would probably pick up more than just the remainder of Bull Run and Cub Run from Centreville and Chantilly.

Let's be real, hundreds of middle class kids would transfer out in this scenario, as there would be very few advanced courses being offered. So maybe 1600 kids would show up for the first day.

Oh, please. Look at the numbers of FARMS being pulled out of Westfield. Higher than those suggested to go in.

Mathematically, no. The 31---->37% percent math is correct.

Bull Run is 43%
Cub Run is 22%

Coates is 50%
McNair is 30%
Floris is 14%--however, the number is higher for those in current Westfield boundary. Remember, much of Floris goes to South Lakes and does not include the multi-family housing that is in boundary for Westfield.

How do you get the number going up? You are removing more high FARMS than you are adding.

Because the percentage of FARMs are proportional to the number of students each school yields. If you want to make it easier, look at the FARM rate for Stone compared to Westfield. It’s higher because the FARM rate being fed from Carson is lower (obviously you can’t use Carson’s rate alone since it splits to other schools and has so many AAP transfers.)

But, you have totally left out the AAP kids at Rocky Run who go to Westfield. That changes your stats significantly.
Congratulations! Your enrollment goes up and your FARMS stats go down. Westfield will be just fine.

Oh, I have numbers for this for you math people. My dd is going to Westfield from RR for 9th next year. Its 33 AAP kids. (Bull Run AAP is a really small program, my kid's year they only had one class per grade.) Of course some of these kids are probably on free/reduced lunch but no clue how many.

33 kids, a portion of who are on free lunch doesn't seem like it would really change the math much.....

Still doesn't explain the numbers. Must be a lot of kids going to TJ or IB schools?

What numbers are you confused about?

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Please explain how you can remove two schools with higher FARMS--and add two schools with lower FARMS and get FARMS going up 6%. It does not add up.

And, again, Floris is 14% FARMS, but one of the neighborhoods that goes to Westfield is likely the greatest portion of that 14% and, so the Floris number at Westfield would be close to 20%

[Anonymous]

Do all McNair and Coates kids go to Westfield, or just some?

[Anonymous]

I don't live in the area but I'm interested. Is there a map with all the ES and HS boundaries on it so I can see what you all are arguing about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't live in the area but I'm interested. Is there a map with all the ES and HS boundaries on it so I can see what you all are arguing about?

https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/maps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do all McNair and Coates kids go to Westfield, or just some?

All of McNair, and most of Coates. There is a section of Coates that goes to HHS.

McNair is double the size of an average FCPS ES, so they would be sending 150+ kids per grade to wherever they are zoned to go. Coates is almost as big, 120+ kids per grade but a small subset of the 120 is currently zoned to HHS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't live in the area but I'm interested. Is there a map with all the ES and HS boundaries on it so I can see what you all are arguing about?

Yes, search for FCPS boundary maps and then find the split feeder maps - elementary school with middle, elementary with HS, middle with HS. It’s very complicated over there because there is currently a middle - high school mismatch, with one extra MS vs. the number of HS. If you’re in the eastern or most of the middle part of the county where the pyramids are more cut and dry with maybe just some elementary split feeders, it’s a lot more complicated with three way splits in some cases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't live in the area but I'm interested. Is there a map with all the ES and HS boundaries on it so I can see what you all are arguing about?

https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/maps

Wow. Its like the farther west you go, the weirder the boundaries seem to be. The eastern half at least makes some kind of sense.

[Anonymous]

If you are trying to replace Mcnair/coates/floris, it makes sense to add Poplar Tree to Westfield since its contiguous boundaries but it doesn't sound like they can add a whole school to Stone, so then you would have misaligned middle school feeders.