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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Are GF and Herndon neighbors? What’s all the talk about breaking up communities then?

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

You didn’t have to say it. A move based on POTENTIAL boundary change says it all.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

I don't care what you do. Just pointing out your boast isn't the life hack you seem to think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

I don't care what you do. Just pointing out your boast isn't the life hack you seem to think it is.

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People aren’t rooting for boundary changes. However, they oppose people who think they are too good to be re-zoned. DEI or overcrowding at schools is irrelevant to them.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

I don't care what you do. Just pointing out your boast isn't the life hack you seem to think it is.

There are 117 pages of posts on this topic that show that you and the other poster very much do care where my kids go to school.

I’m sorry to disappoint you in that regard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People aren’t rooting for boundary changes. However, they oppose people who think they are too good to be re-zoned. DEI or overcrowding at schools is irrelevant to them.

Agree with this, and that DEI doesn't come into play one way or the other.

With respect to the overcrowding, for many years FCPS's position was that only overcrowding over 110%, taking modular capacity into account, was sufficient enough to warrant a response. They didn't really have an obvious position as to when under-enrollment might trigger a reaction.

If you look at the latest CIP, there are very few schools in that overcrowding category:

Elementary Schools

Coates - subject of pending boundary study
Kent Gardens - redistricted starting this year
Pine Spring - no announced plan
Wakefield Forest - getting renovated/expanded

Middle Schools

[None]

High Schools

Justice - getting expanded
Centreville - planned renovation/expansion
Chantilly - could address through Centreville renovation

And that's it. So when they change course and proceed with a comprehensive review, supposedly because modular space is no longer good, etc., it seems like a solution in search of a problem. Where are the parents demanding that redistricting occur at schools with modulars? Or that 108% overcrowding is unacceptable? Instead, it appears that they want to move people around for other reasons, and then say it's all in the name of efficiency.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

I don't care what you do. Just pointing out your boast isn't the life hack you seem to think it is.

There are 117 pages of posts on this topic that show that you and the other poster very much do care where my kids go to school.

I’m sorry to disappoint you in that regard.

Just because people spar with you when you wear your bigotry on your sleeve so openly doesn't mean they care where your kids go to school.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

I don't care what you do. Just pointing out your boast isn't the life hack you seem to think it is.

There are 117 pages of posts on this topic that show that you and the other poster very much do care where my kids go to school.

I’m sorry to disappoint you in that regard.

Just because people spar with you when you wear your bigotry on your sleeve so openly doesn't mean they care where your kids go to school.

Be well. I hope you get all you deserve from life.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.

Says the poster desperately trying to avoid their kids going to school with the poors. Ha!

Not me, as soon as I caught wind of the potential changes we made alternate plans. But I don’t malign you or your kids.

I feel sorry for anyone from great falls who has to interact with you in the future.

Any of the alternate plans are going to be disruptive, too.

Homeschooling = kids don't get to spend as much time with their peers

Private school = kids have to make a new group of friends

Different public school/same pyramid in FCPS = kids have to make a new group of friends unless already in MS/HS.

Different jurisdiction = kids have to make a new group of friends

Plus at some point your kids figure out that you did this to avoid sending them to school with Hispanic kids.

You all really like to social engineer others people’s lives. Don’t worry, we’re living our best lives and sleep well at night.

I don't care what you do. Just pointing out your boast isn't the life hack you seem to think it is.

There are 117 pages of posts on this topic that show that you and the other poster very much do care where my kids go to school.

I’m sorry to disappoint you in that regard.

Just because people spar with you when you wear your bigotry on your sleeve so openly doesn't mean they care where your kids go to school.

Be well. I hope you get all you deserve from life.

Sure, and bless your heart.

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Where is that popcorn emoji when you need it?