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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Every student doesn’t take the SAT. Those who’d get the worst scores wouldn’t.

If ten kids out of a thousand take the SAT at high school A, and their average score is 1350

While 600 out of a thousand take the test at high school B and their average is 1280

Guess which school I’d wanna send my kids to?

Can’t tell based on your scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!

I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.

It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.

H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.

Please let your school board rep know your feelings!

Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.

You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.

DP but why do you think that just because a child happens to have wealthy parents and live in Great Falls, they are smarter than kids who have slightly less wealthy parents and live in Herndon? That's odd.

Your reading comprehension is poor or you are being willfully obtuse.

My assertion is that the poster does not believe that the upper economic end of the Herndon student population is at the same monetary level of Langley kids. That this poster does not believe that the upper economic end of Herndon "runs circles" academically around Langley children.

Nowhere did I state that moving to or being born in any particular zip code makes you brilliant or more brilliant than someone who has a little less money. I did not state that kids at Langley "run circles" around the middle class/upper middle class kids at Herndon. I'm quite sure that they are comparable in grades, SAT scores, accolades and college admits. My kids played youth sports with kids from Herndon, went/go to college with kids from Herndon High School. I have first-hand knowledge of the obvious.

That poster has a screaming inferiority complex and it's unhealthy. Whether children currently zoned for Langley end up putting on that black and red and become Hornets or remain Saxons, she would do well to address her mental issues. Like I said, it's NOT that serious. I would say the same on the flip side to those Great Falls residents--actually I HAVE said the same to a few--who think being zoned to Langley is a core part of their self-image and that they will just DIE if the boundaries change, even if done for a good reason.

If the boundaries change don't have a chip on your shoulder about the kids in the class or the fellow PTSA parents just because the government changed the neighborhoods/streets assigned to government schools.

Safety differences at the schools are concerning to me, so I find your use of “DIE” interesting.

Do you have enough peanuts back there in the gallery, now that your kids are through the school pyramid that you chose?

Your last paragraph, in particular, is oddly condescending, given that it sounds like you took advantage of those same government schools. One has to wonder how you would’ve reacted in this situation. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have been PTA President.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

DP. Many believe this information is not reliable as schools are inconsistent in reporting and recording offenses.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

DP. Many believe this information is not reliable as schools are inconsistent in reporting and recording offenses.

Not to mention 3.5 years old

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

DP. Many believe this information is not reliable as schools are inconsistent in reporting and recording offenses.

If anything, incidents are UNDER reported across the board. Much has been made over the years about avoiding the “school to prison pipeline” for minority students … they are reluctant to record and report incidents and reluctant to involve law enforcement even when necessary. See the MCPS thread about the kids from the shelter beating on another kid during school hours.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

DP. Many believe this information is not reliable as schools are inconsistent in reporting and recording offenses.

Not to mention 3.5 years old

DP. I mean, feel free to question the data that’s on the school’s own website, but feels like you are grasping at straws.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

DP. Many believe this information is not reliable as schools are inconsistent in reporting and recording offenses.

Not to mention 3.5 years old

DP. I mean, feel free to question the data that’s on the school’s own website, but feels like you are grasping at straws.

Not really. They know who is going to threaten litigation if a kid gets written up and who isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

Likely through the FCPS website: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

Once you select a school, there’s a tab for “Safe and Secure” which reports student incidents up until the 2020-21 school year.

DP. Many believe this information is not reliable as schools are inconsistent in reporting and recording offenses.

Not to mention 3.5 years old

DP. I mean, feel free to question the data that’s on the school’s own website, but feels like you are grasping at straws.

Not really. They know who is going to threaten litigation if a kid gets written up and who isn’t.

Well, then you’ve gamed the system by having your kids attend a school you feel is equally as safe.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!

I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.

It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.

H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.

Please let your school board rep know your feelings!

Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.

You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.

DP but why do you think that just because a child happens to have wealthy parents and live in Great Falls, they are smarter than kids who have slightly less wealthy parents and live in Herndon? That's odd.

Your reading comprehension is poor or you are being willfully obtuse.

My assertion is that the poster does not believe that the upper economic end of the Herndon student population is at the same monetary level of Langley kids. That this poster does not believe that the upper economic end of Herndon "runs circles" academically around Langley children.

Nowhere did I state that moving to or being born in any particular zip code makes you brilliant or more brilliant than someone who has a little less money. I did not state that kids at Langley "run circles" around the middle class/upper middle class kids at Herndon. I'm quite sure that they are comparable in grades, SAT scores, accolades and college admits. My kids played youth sports with kids from Herndon, went/go to college with kids from Herndon High School. I have first-hand knowledge of the obvious.

That poster has a screaming inferiority complex and it's unhealthy. Whether children currently zoned for Langley end up putting on that black and red and become Hornets or remain Saxons, she would do well to address her mental issues. Like I said, it's NOT that serious. I would say the same on the flip side to those Great Falls residents--actually I HAVE said the same to a few--who think being zoned to Langley is a core part of their self-image and that they will just DIE if the boundaries change, even if done for a good reason.

If the boundaries change don't have a chip on your shoulder about the kids in the class or the fellow PTSA parents just because the government changed the neighborhoods/streets assigned to government schools.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

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Your reading comprehension is poor or you are being willfully obtuse.

My assertion is that the poster does not believe that the upper economic end of the Herndon student population is at the same monetary level of Langley kids. That this poster does not believe that the upper economic end of Herndon "runs circles" academically around Langley children.

Nowhere did I state that moving to or being born in any particular zip code makes you brilliant or more brilliant than someone who has a little less money. I did not state that kids at Langley "run circles" around the middle class/upper middle class kids at Herndon. I'm quite sure that they are comparable in grades, SAT scores, accolades and college admits. My kids played youth sports with kids from Herndon, went/go to college with kids from Herndon High School. I have first-hand knowledge of the obvious.

That poster has a screaming inferiority complex and it's unhealthy. Whether children currently zoned for Langley end up putting on that black and red and become Hornets or remain Saxons, she would do well to address her mental issues. Like I said, it's NOT that serious. I would say the same on the flip side to those Great Falls residents--actually I HAVE said the same to a few--who think being zoned to Langley is a core part of their self-image and that they will just DIE if the boundaries change, even if done for a good reason.

If the boundaries change don't have a chip on your shoulder about the kids in the class or the fellow PTSA parents just because the government changed the neighborhoods/streets assigned to government schools.

X10000

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

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Anonymous wrote:55% are low income. Typically that means Title 1 services which give a lower teacher-student ratio. That is exactly what Lewis has so why add more kids unless they expect those kids to pump up test scores?

People are too obsessed with test scores. Don’t worry about the average or median score. It is meaningless if you have for example a center that pulls students from other schools or a large number of low SES or ESL students. Truly, the average and median scores tell you nothing about how good the school is.

Good luck changing that. Start with the new VDOE accreditation system, the. The FCPS school board ,and hit Redfin, Zillow and great schools next.

They push that narrative for marketing but doesn’t mean it is a good metric o evaluate a school. When you see an ad or commercial for a floor cleaner, and you see people ecstatic about cleaning just because they use that product and that it solves all their problems, do you believe you’ll be dancing through life if you use it?

Forgot to add old/new, the VDOE isn’t measuring the right things.

My friend, we agree test scores are a bad measure of a school or even how educated and ready for adulthood and citizenship a child/teen may be.

We disagree that anything or anyone is going to change that anytime soon.

I didn’t say anyone would change the metric, but a good analyst understands that those measures are not what should be used.

For example, average SAT score at Langley HS with very little poverty or at-risk students (less than 5%) is 1314 in 2022
(92nd-93rd percentile), while at Herndon HS with a high number of at-risk (FARMS) students (55%) is 1187 (80th percentile) still well above the average. Can you honestly say Langley is doing a great job based on these scores given its demographics? And can you say with a straight face that Herndon is a FAILING school (per some on DCUM) with that average score particularly with the number of at-risk students with presumably dragging down the average?

One could argue that Langley HS is underachieving and Herndon HS is overachieving.

Lewis HS — which has a similar number of at risk kids as Herndon HS (55%) AND uses IB — has an average SAT of 1063 (60th percentile). A lower average score but still NOT FAILING. This could likely be due to the use of IB versus AP.

South Lakes HS, which also has IB but fewer at risk students (35 percent) than Herndon or Lewis, has an average SAT score of 1205 similar to Herndon. However, one could argue it is also underperforming given it has IB like Lewis and fewer at risk kids than either Herndon or Lewis.

About 18% of West Springfield’s students are at risk. Its average SAT score is 1195 (81st percentile) which is very close to Herndon and South Lakes average scores. WSHS is underperforming compared to its neighbor Lewis HS given the IB and higher poverty. Seems WSHS parents would get a better bang for their buck at Herndon HS.



This was all back of the napkin using data from:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-sat-scores-continue-surpass-state-and-global-averages

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108%3A8

https://research.collegeboard.org/reports/sat-suite/understanding-scores/sat

Great, now let’s hear about the student safety and incident data from Langley vs. Lewis. VDOE hides it now because they don’t want parents to know what is really going on at some of these schools.

Why don't you share where you get your student safety and incident data to support your insinuations about Lewis. Langley has an instructional assistant doing inappropriate things in the classroom. That sounds pretty unsafe for teenage girls. And that was just the one they caught.

All of FCPS must be dangerous then, because Reid had security on hand just to meet with a few coaches. Scary!!!! I’m laughing pretty hard at those who think any school in Fairfax County is scary. They must live pretty insulated lives.

I think another poster nailed it when they said these parents wrap up their identity in where their kids go to school. Its an endorphin release they wouldn't get by saying HHS.

Do you even hear yourself talk? I can’t fathom hating neighbors as much as you do.