Barr Installs Outside Prosecutor to Review Case Against Michael Flynn, Ex-Trump Adviser

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Anonymous wrote:Adam Housley has been pretty accurate with his reporting.

No, the interview prep notes weren't exculpatory. Neither were the file notes.

Sorry.

Look - you might think that the prosecutors and FBI agents Mueller hired and those in high level positions in the FBI are as pure as the driven snow, but you are wrong.
Yeah - even "career civil servants" and attorneys can be corrupt. They took actions that were contrary to their job and responsibilities in order to "get the man." You just can't admit that actions they took were unethical and, in some cases, illegal, because to you - the end justifies the means. As long as it makes Trump, or anyone in his administration, look corrupt or criminal, you are fine with it. Even if what they did was wrong.

The FBI and our IC go after bad guys. Trump has been laundering Russian money for decades. Flynn was on the turkish and Russian payroll. Manafort worked against US interests and aligned with Russia in Ukraine.

Who are the bad guys? Why are you thinking Trump, Flynn and Manafort are the good guys here? It makes no sense. The career people and law enforcement were doing their jobs - monitoring the bad guys. The problem? The bad guys were dealing with certain Americans, including current and former Trump people. And yet, Fox News has people like you brainwashed to be against our IC and Law Enforcement because they have twisted the facts and contorted legal opinion in such a way that people like you are doing mental pretzels to say this is ok.

It isn't ok. please understand what is happening. Our country is being taken over by people whose allegiance are not to our flag or our country. You can see this manifest from everything including the response to the pandemic, the shifting alliances - what did the US get for pulling out of the TPP or leaving Syria? Nothing. What did Trump get? Money. Money from the Turks, money from the Chinese, money from the Saudi's. All at the expense of the US Treasury and the goodwill of the once great international force that was the United States of America.

We are not better now and we are not going to be great again under this "leadership" - rising unemployment, rising death, cities in mayhem, shrinking GDP...who does this favor? Because it isn't the American people.

I can't help you. If you truly believe everything you wrote, I cannot help you.
You totally ignore the evidence. You totally ignore how these "righteous" agents and prosecutors who were only "monitoring the bad guys" trampled on the civil liberties of anyone they could along the way, manufactured charges and crimes so that they could carry on in what appeared to be a "legal" fashion and try to overthrow a democratically elected administration.
And, it's not just Barr saying this. It was Horowitz. It is Jeff Jensen. It is people who are uncovering egregious conduct on the part of those who were trusted to uphold the law.
I doubt you will ever believe this - even with unequivocal evidence. Which, is coming soon enough.

Go be useful and gargle some bleach. The PP you're responding to is 100% correct. Trump, Flynn, Manafort, Stone, etc - they are not victims, they are con artists. And you've been conned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam Housley has been pretty accurate with his reporting.

No, the interview prep notes weren't exculpatory. Neither were the file notes.

Sorry.

Look - you might think that the prosecutors and FBI agents Mueller hired and those in high level positions in the FBI are as pure as the driven snow, but you are wrong.
Yeah - even "career civil servants" and attorneys can be corrupt. They took actions that were contrary to their job and responsibilities in order to "get the man." You just can't admit that actions they took were unethical and, in some cases, illegal, because to you - the end justifies the means. As long as it makes Trump, or anyone in his administration, look corrupt or criminal, you are fine with it. Even if what they did was wrong.

The FBI and our IC go after bad guys. Trump has been laundering Russian money for decades. Flynn was on the turkish and Russian payroll. Manafort worked against US interests and aligned with Russia in Ukraine.

Who are the bad guys? Why are you thinking Trump, Flynn and Manafort are the good guys here? It makes no sense. The career people and law enforcement were doing their jobs - monitoring the bad guys. The problem? The bad guys were dealing with certain Americans, including current and former Trump people. And yet, Fox News has people like you brainwashed to be against our IC and Law Enforcement because they have twisted the facts and contorted legal opinion in such a way that people like you are doing mental pretzels to say this is ok.

It isn't ok. please understand what is happening. Our country is being taken over by people whose allegiance are not to our flag or our country. You can see this manifest from everything including the response to the pandemic, the shifting alliances - what did the US get for pulling out of the TPP or leaving Syria? Nothing. What did Trump get? Money. Money from the Turks, money from the Chinese, money from the Saudi's. All at the expense of the US Treasury and the goodwill of the once great international force that was the United States of America.

We are not better now and we are not going to be great again under this "leadership" - rising unemployment, rising death, cities in mayhem, shrinking GDP...who does this favor? Because it isn't the American people.

I can't help you. If you truly believe everything you wrote, I cannot help you.
You totally ignore the evidence. You totally ignore how these "righteous" agents and prosecutors who were only "monitoring the bad guys" trampled on the civil liberties of anyone they could along the way, manufactured charges and crimes so that they could carry on in what appeared to be a "legal" fashion and try to overthrow a democratically elected administration.
And, it's not just Barr saying this. It was Horowitz. It is Jeff Jensen. It is people who are uncovering egregious conduct on the part of those who were trusted to uphold the law.
I doubt you will ever believe this - even with unequivocal evidence. Which, is coming soon enough.

This is spot on. Ignoring/withholding evidence that is favorable/exculpatory...and manufacturing crimes, for political purposes....that is what was going on. Pure and simple. If Flynn was so dirty, FBI's Crossfire Razor would have come back with something other than "No derogatory information". And no, it wasn't Bill Barr's doing...Crossfire Razor ended 2 years prior to Bill Barr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam Housley has been pretty accurate with his reporting.

No, the interview prep notes weren't exculpatory. Neither were the file notes.

Sorry.

Look - you might think that the prosecutors and FBI agents Mueller hired and those in high level positions in the FBI are as pure as the driven snow, but you are wrong.
Yeah - even "career civil servants" and attorneys can be corrupt. They took actions that were contrary to their job and responsibilities in order to "get the man." You just can't admit that actions they took were unethical and, in some cases, illegal, because to you - the end justifies the means. As long as it makes Trump, or anyone in his administration, look corrupt or criminal, you are fine with it. Even if what they did was wrong.

The FBI and our IC go after bad guys. Trump has been laundering Russian money for decades. Flynn was on the turkish and Russian payroll. Manafort worked against US interests and aligned with Russia in Ukraine.

Who are the bad guys? Why are you thinking Trump, Flynn and Manafort are the good guys here? It makes no sense. The career people and law enforcement were doing their jobs - monitoring the bad guys. The problem? The bad guys were dealing with certain Americans, including current and former Trump people. And yet, Fox News has people like you brainwashed to be against our IC and Law Enforcement because they have twisted the facts and contorted legal opinion in such a way that people like you are doing mental pretzels to say this is ok.

It isn't ok. please understand what is happening. Our country is being taken over by people whose allegiance are not to our flag or our country. You can see this manifest from everything including the response to the pandemic, the shifting alliances - what did the US get for pulling out of the TPP or leaving Syria? Nothing. What did Trump get? Money. Money from the Turks, money from the Chinese, money from the Saudi's. All at the expense of the US Treasury and the goodwill of the once great international force that was the United States of America.

We are not better now and we are not going to be great again under this "leadership" - rising unemployment, rising death, cities in mayhem, shrinking GDP...who does this favor? Because it isn't the American people.

I can't help you. If you truly believe everything you wrote, I cannot help you.
You totally ignore the evidence. You totally ignore how these "righteous" agents and prosecutors who were only "monitoring the bad guys" trampled on the civil liberties of anyone they could along the way, manufactured charges and crimes so that they could carry on in what appeared to be a "legal" fashion and try to overthrow a democratically elected administration.
And, it's not just Barr saying this. It was Horowitz. It is Jeff Jensen. It is people who are uncovering egregious conduct on the part of those who were trusted to uphold the law.
I doubt you will ever believe this - even with unequivocal evidence. Which, is coming soon enough.

Go be useful and gargle some bleach. The PP you're responding to is 100% correct. Trump, Flynn, Manafort, Stone, etc - they are not victims, they are con artists. And you've been conned.

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam Housley has been pretty accurate with his reporting.

No, the interview prep notes weren't exculpatory. Neither were the file notes.

Sorry.

Look - you might think that the prosecutors and FBI agents Mueller hired and those in high level positions in the FBI are as pure as the driven snow, but you are wrong.
Yeah - even "career civil servants" and attorneys can be corrupt. They took actions that were contrary to their job and responsibilities in order to "get the man." You just can't admit that actions they took were unethical and, in some cases, illegal, because to you - the end justifies the means. As long as it makes Trump, or anyone in his administration, look corrupt or criminal, you are fine with it. Even if what they did was wrong.

The FBI and our IC go after bad guys. Trump has been laundering Russian money for decades. Flynn was on the turkish and Russian payroll. Manafort worked against US interests and aligned with Russia in Ukraine.

Who are the bad guys? Why are you thinking Trump, Flynn and Manafort are the good guys here? It makes no sense. The career people and law enforcement were doing their jobs - monitoring the bad guys. The problem? The bad guys were dealing with certain Americans, including current and former Trump people. And yet, Fox News has people like you brainwashed to be against our IC and Law Enforcement because they have twisted the facts and contorted legal opinion in such a way that people like you are doing mental pretzels to say this is ok.

It isn't ok. please understand what is happening. Our country is being taken over by people whose allegiance are not to our flag or our country. You can see this manifest from everything including the response to the pandemic, the shifting alliances - what did the US get for pulling out of the TPP or leaving Syria? Nothing. What did Trump get? Money. Money from the Turks, money from the Chinese, money from the Saudi's. All at the expense of the US Treasury and the goodwill of the once great international force that was the United States of America.

We are not better now and we are not going to be great again under this "leadership" - rising unemployment, rising death, cities in mayhem, shrinking GDP...who does this favor? Because it isn't the American people.

I can't help you. If you truly believe everything you wrote, I cannot help you.
You totally ignore the evidence. You totally ignore how these "righteous" agents and prosecutors who were only "monitoring the bad guys" trampled on the civil liberties of anyone they could along the way, manufactured charges and crimes so that they could carry on in what appeared to be a "legal" fashion and try to overthrow a democratically elected administration.
And, it's not just Barr saying this. It was Horowitz. It is Jeff Jensen. It is people who are uncovering egregious conduct on the part of those who were trusted to uphold the law.
I doubt you will ever believe this - even with unequivocal evidence. Which, is coming soon enough.

This is spot on. Ignoring/withholding evidence that is favorable/exculpatory...and manufacturing crimes, for political purposes....that is what was going on. Pure and simple. If Flynn was so dirty, FBI's Crossfire Razor would have come back with something other than "No derogatory information". And no, it wasn't Bill Barr's doing...Crossfire Razor ended 2 years prior to Bill Barr.

When Flynn filed his retroactive FARA registration, that had not yet been discovered by the investigators but had already happened. Or not happened.

Not closing a case doesn't mean anything, one way or the other.

You keep going on about exculpatory evidence, you got the general counsel of the FBI fired for it. But the newly filed evidence isn't favorable to Flynn. It's just ordinary information that would ordinarily not have been filed.

Sidney Powell isn't a good lawyer. Don't read too much into her filings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam Housley has been pretty accurate with his reporting.

No, the interview prep notes weren't exculpatory. Neither were the file notes.

Sorry.

Look - you might think that the prosecutors and FBI agents Mueller hired and those in high level positions in the FBI are as pure as the driven snow, but you are wrong.
Yeah - even "career civil servants" and attorneys can be corrupt. They took actions that were contrary to their job and responsibilities in order to "get the man." You just can't admit that actions they took were unethical and, in some cases, illegal, because to you - the end justifies the means. As long as it makes Trump, or anyone in his administration, look corrupt or criminal, you are fine with it. Even if what they did was wrong.

The FBI and our IC go after bad guys. Trump has been laundering Russian money for decades. Flynn was on the turkish and Russian payroll. Manafort worked against US interests and aligned with Russia in Ukraine.

Who are the bad guys? Why are you thinking Trump, Flynn and Manafort are the good guys here? It makes no sense. The career people and law enforcement were doing their jobs - monitoring the bad guys. The problem? The bad guys were dealing with certain Americans, including current and former Trump people. And yet, Fox News has people like you brainwashed to be against our IC and Law Enforcement because they have twisted the facts and contorted legal opinion in such a way that people like you are doing mental pretzels to say this is ok.

It isn't ok. please understand what is happening. Our country is being taken over by people whose allegiance are not to our flag or our country. You can see this manifest from everything including the response to the pandemic, the shifting alliances - what did the US get for pulling out of the TPP or leaving Syria? Nothing. What did Trump get? Money. Money from the Turks, money from the Chinese, money from the Saudi's. All at the expense of the US Treasury and the goodwill of the once great international force that was the United States of America.

We are not better now and we are not going to be great again under this "leadership" - rising unemployment, rising death, cities in mayhem, shrinking GDP...who does this favor? Because it isn't the American people.

I can't help you. If you truly believe everything you wrote, I cannot help you.
You totally ignore the evidence. You totally ignore how these "righteous" agents and prosecutors who were only "monitoring the bad guys" trampled on the civil liberties of anyone they could along the way, manufactured charges and crimes so that they could carry on in what appeared to be a "legal" fashion and try to overthrow a democratically elected administration.
And, it's not just Barr saying this. It was Horowitz. It is Jeff Jensen. It is people who are uncovering egregious conduct on the part of those who were trusted to uphold the law.
I doubt you will ever believe this - even with unequivocal evidence. Which, is coming soon enough.

This is spot on. Ignoring/withholding evidence that is favorable/exculpatory...and manufacturing crimes, for political purposes....that is what was going on. Pure and simple. If Flynn was so dirty, FBI's Crossfire Razor would have come back with something other than "No derogatory information". And no, it wasn't Bill Barr's doing...Crossfire Razor ended 2 years prior to Bill Barr.

When Flynn filed his retroactive FARA registration, that had not yet been discovered by the investigators but had already happened. Or not happened.

Not closing a case doesn't mean anything, one way or the other.

You keep going on about exculpatory evidence, you got the general counsel of the FBI fired for it. But the newly filed evidence isn't favorable to Flynn. It's just ordinary information that would ordinarily not have been filed.

Sidney Powell isn't a good lawyer. Don't read too much into her filings.

You don't know this. Much of the newly filed evidence has not yet been made public. There is more to come.

"But U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan has now prohibited Flynn from filing newly obtained government records in intervals until after prosecutors finish turning over documents to U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri Jeffrey Jensen."

https://www.courthousenews.com/flynn-prohibited-from-filing-new-records-as-trump-says-he-will-be-exonerated/

[Anonymous]

The evidence made pubic to date is damning for Flynn. If there was anything that was helpful, it would be released.

For what reason would the administration be withholding stuff for three years, that would exonerate Flynn?

[Anonymous]

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

So you believe Stone, Manafort, Flynn and Trump haven't done anything wrong and this is all just dirty investigators?

If you truly believe that, then you also believe all of the court filings, all of the sentencing documents etc. related to Stone, Flynn and Manafort are manufactured BS and that longstanding and in many/most cases, GOP appointed judges are in on it? Is that what you are saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

So you believe Stone, Manafort, Flynn and Trump haven't done anything wrong and this is all just dirty investigators?

If you truly believe that, then you also believe all of the court filings, all of the sentencing documents etc. related to Stone, Flynn and Manafort are manufactured BS and that longstanding and in many/most cases, GOP appointed judges are in on it? Is that what you are saying?

No. Stone is a fool and it appears that Manafort is a crook from what i understand. But, neither were colluding with Russians. Although, in seeing how the Mueller team chose to go after Flynn, I would not be surprised if they used dirty tricks on Manafort, as well. We saw on CNN how they treated Stone.
I imagine that if Hillary's pals had been investigated properly, that there would have been even more dirt there. Podesta and his brother appear to have similar connections.

Flynn was never a Russian asset and they knew it. But, that was their excuse for interviewing him. If that doesn't trouble you, no matter your politics, then you are beyond help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

So you believe Stone, Manafort, Flynn and Trump haven't done anything wrong and this is all just dirty investigators?

If you truly believe that, then you also believe all of the court filings, all of the sentencing documents etc. related to Stone, Flynn and Manafort are manufactured BS and that longstanding and in many/most cases, GOP appointed judges are in on it? Is that what you are saying?

Stone and Flynn were charged/convicted of process crimes. Nothing to do with Russian collusion. Manafort was charged/convicted of financial crimes. Nothing to do with Russian collusion.

Surely, if all of these people were as dirty as you say, they would have been charged/convicted with far more than they were. Plus, that all would have happened well before Trump was elected. Isn't it curious that all of these supposedly dirty people were never charged with anything, for years, until Trump was elected?

Judge Jackson (Manafort,Stone) was appointed by Obama
Judge Sullivan (Flynn) was appointed to the Federal bench by Clinton (although he was appointed to the District Court bench by Reagan)
Judge Ellis (Manafort) was appointed by Reagan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

So you believe Stone, Manafort, Flynn and Trump haven't done anything wrong and this is all just dirty investigators?

If you truly believe that, then you also believe all of the court filings, all of the sentencing documents etc. related to Stone, Flynn and Manafort are manufactured BS and that longstanding and in many/most cases, GOP appointed judges are in on it? Is that what you are saying?

No. Stone is a fool and it appears that Manafort is a crook from what i understand. But, neither were colluding with Russians. Although, in seeing how the Mueller team chose to go after Flynn, I would not be surprised if they used dirty tricks on Manafort, as well. We saw on CNN how they treated Stone.
I imagine that if Hillary's pals had been investigated properly, that there would have been even more dirt there. Podesta and his brother appear to have similar connections.

Flynn was never a Russian asset and they knew it. But, that was their excuse for interviewing him. If that doesn't trouble you, no matter your politics, then you are beyond help.

So it’s Hillary’s fault. Got it. She was one busy woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

So you believe Stone, Manafort, Flynn and Trump haven't done anything wrong and this is all just dirty investigators?

If you truly believe that, then you also believe all of the court filings, all of the sentencing documents etc. related to Stone, Flynn and Manafort are manufactured BS and that longstanding and in many/most cases, GOP appointed judges are in on it? Is that what you are saying?

Stone and Flynn were charged/convicted of process crimes. Nothing to do with Russian collusion. Manafort was charged/convicted of financial crimes. Nothing to do with Russian collusion.

Surely, if all of these people were as dirty as you say, they would have been charged/convicted with far more than they were. Plus, that all would have happened well before Trump was elected. Isn't it curious that all of these supposedly dirty people were never charged with anything, for years, until Trump was elected?

Judge Jackson (Manafort,Stone) was appointed by Obama
Judge Sullivan (Flynn) was appointed to the Federal bench by Clinton (although he was appointed to the District Court bench by Reagan)
Judge Ellis (Manafort) was appointed by Reagan

Al Capone was convicted of financial crimes. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a mobster. They are all criminals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The evidence made pubic to date is damning for Flynn. If there was anything that was helpful, it would be released.

For what reason would the administration be withholding stuff for three years, that would exonerate Flynn?

What was given to the defense by Jeff Jensen, the investigating agent, has essentially been embargoed after some of it was released. What WAS released was damning for the FBI agents and prosecutors involved in the case.
And, why was it withheld? I think we will need to find out from Dana Boente. Word has it that he was behind withholding exculpatory material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The evidence made pubic to date is damning for Flynn. If there was anything that was helpful, it would be released.

For what reason would the administration be withholding stuff for three years, that would exonerate Flynn?

What was given to the defense by Jeff Jensen, the investigating agent, has essentially been embargoed after some of it was released. What WAS released was damning for the FBI agents and prosecutors involved in the case.
And, why was it withheld? I think we will need to find out from Dana Boente. Word has it that he was behind withholding exculpatory material.

No it wasn't. What was publicly released wasn't favorable to Flynn or damning to the investigation.

Boente was withholding the material because it wasn't exculpatory. Distracting, yes. Exculpatory, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

DP. No. You've been conned by dirty investigators.

So you believe Stone, Manafort, Flynn and Trump haven't done anything wrong and this is all just dirty investigators?

If you truly believe that, then you also believe all of the court filings, all of the sentencing documents etc. related to Stone, Flynn and Manafort are manufactured BS and that longstanding and in many/most cases, GOP appointed judges are in on it? Is that what you are saying?

1. Flynn did NOTHING wrong.
2. Stone is a wacky individual, but he did nothing illegal.
3. Manafort is a different story. His crimes were well before he joined the Trump campaign and were investigated as far back as 2014.

The surveillance, which included wiretapping, searches, and other types of observation, reportedly began in 2014, when Manafort was the subject of an investigation into work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for the former ruling party of Ukraine.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court authorized a secret order that permitted the wiretapping.

https://fortune.com/2017/09/19/paul-manafort-fbi-surveillance-donald-trump-russia/

The prosecution of Manafort did not require a special counsel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The evidence made pubic to date is damning for Flynn. If there was anything that was helpful, it would be released.

For what reason would the administration be withholding stuff for three years, that would exonerate Flynn?

What was given to the defense by Jeff Jensen, the investigating agent, has essentially been embargoed after some of it was released. What WAS released was damning for the FBI agents and prosecutors involved in the case.
And, why was it withheld? I think we will need to find out from Dana Boente. Word has it that he was behind withholding exculpatory material.

No it wasn't. What was publicly released wasn't favorable to Flynn or damning to the investigation.

Boente was withholding the material because it wasn't exculpatory. Distracting, yes. Exculpatory, no.

The defense was not informed that the FBI was planning to drop the investigation of Flynn on Jan. 4, 2017 until Strzok intervened. THAT is exculpatory.