CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. I am one of those people who is really getting annoyed with the Coronavirus media hype. Parents in my neighborhood actually think their healthy kids are at risk of dying with the Coronavirus! There is a much greater change that your child will get sick or die with Influenza than Coronavirus COVID-19.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/06/flu-kills-k-americans-children-hardest-hit/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S3

Please don't just rely on misguided edited statistics being published by the media. You also need to review other sources including cdc.gov and who.int. You should also review the history of other flu and zoonotic outbreaks for comparison, then maybe you can put your mind at ease that your kiddos are not at high risk!

In my opinion, the 2009 H1N1 swine flu was much more serious than COVID-19, and the US never made significant attempts to contain the outbreak before it spread globally.
2009 H1N1:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
. It’s wrong.

"WHO estimates that seasonal influenza may result in 290,000-650,000 deaths each year due to respiratory diseases alone.”
https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/bod/en/

Influenza (US stats): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Coronavirus COVID-19: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You have your “facts” all mixed up. Please don’t post misinformation.

Also, keep in mind that the mortality statistics calculated against reported illnesses could be skewed since many sick people ride it out and don’t go to the doctor or they are simply harboring the virus with no symptoms. I would prefer my kids build antibodies to this COVID-19 strain so their immune system will be prepared for potential future subtypes. That is why older people were not impacted by the 2009 H1N1 outbreak!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. I am one of those people who is really getting annoyed with the Coronavirus media hype. Parents in my neighborhood actually think their healthy kids are at risk of dying with the Coronavirus! There is a much greater change that your child will get sick or die with Influenza than Coronavirus COVID-19.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/06/flu-kills-k-americans-children-hardest-hit/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S3

Please don't just rely on misguided edited statistics being published by the media. You also need to review other sources including cdc.gov and who.int. You should also review the history of other flu and zoonotic outbreaks for comparison, then maybe you can put your mind at ease that your kiddos are not at high risk!

In my opinion, the 2009 H1N1 swine flu was much more serious than COVID-19, and the US never made significant attempts to contain the outbreak before it spread globally.
2009 H1N1:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
. It’s wrong.

"WHO estimates that seasonal influenza may result in 290,000-650,000 deaths each year due to respiratory diseases alone.”
https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/bod/en/

Influenza (US stats): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Coronavirus COVID-19: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You have your “facts” all mixed up. Please don’t post misinformation.

Also, keep in mind that the mortality statistics calculated against reported illnesses could be skewed since many sick people ride it out and don’t go to the doctor or they are simply harboring the virus with no symptoms. I would prefer my kids build antibodies to this COVID-19 strain so their immune system will be prepared for potential future subtypes. That is why older people were not impacted by the 2009 H1N1 outbreak!

I can’t even get to the end of this moronic post full of misinformation. Please do not post this. COVID IS NOT THE FLU.

[Anonymous]

WA Governor Jay Inslee has banned crowds of 250 people or more for 3 counties in Washington state.

https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/gov-inslee-to-announce-social-distancing-plans-for-washington-residents-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/281-c8db691c-6a10-428f-bcdf-829cc1d05226" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/gov-inslee-to-announce-social-distancing-plans-for-washington-residents-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/281-c8db691c-6a10-428f-bcdf-829cc1d05226

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. I am one of those people who is really getting annoyed with the Coronavirus media hype. Parents in my neighborhood actually think their healthy kids are at risk of dying with the Coronavirus! There is a much greater change that your child will get sick or die with Influenza than Coronavirus COVID-19.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/06/flu-kills-k-americans-children-hardest-hit/
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S3

Please don't just rely on misguided edited statistics being published by the media. You also need to review other sources including cdc.gov and who.int. You should also review the history of other flu and zoonotic outbreaks for comparison, then maybe you can put your mind at ease that your kiddos are not at high risk!

In my opinion, the 2009 H1N1 swine flu was much more serious than COVID-19, and the US never made significant attempts to contain the outbreak before it spread globally.
2009 H1N1:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
. It’s wrong.

"WHO estimates that seasonal influenza may result in 290,000-650,000 deaths each year due to respiratory diseases alone.”
https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/bod/en/

Influenza (US stats): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Coronavirus COVID-19: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

You have your “facts” all mixed up. Please don’t post misinformation.

Also, keep in mind that the mortality statistics calculated against reported illnesses could be skewed since many sick people ride it out and don’t go to the doctor or they are simply harboring the virus with no symptoms. I would prefer my kids build antibodies to this COVID-19 strain so their immune system will be prepared for potential future subtypes. That is why older people were not impacted by the 2009 H1N1 outbreak!

I can’t even get to the end of this moronic post full of misinformation. Please do not post this. COVID IS NOT THE FLU.

And as far as relying only on the authoritative sites like CDC and WHO, they are always behind. In January WHO said it's staying in China, now it's panic time. CDC numbers lag the news by 1-2 days, and they talk out of both sides of their mouths, "low risk to the average American," but we're all expected to get it within the next 18 months. Be smart; listen the the authorities but remember they have an obligation to quell panic as well as to promote health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any children died yet?

Gentle reminder that people ages 10-17 are children. So, yes. Definitely.

And children with underlying health conditions are in the category of "people with underlying health conditions." They are not OK just because they are young. And even though not as many kids are dying as adults, thousands are dying and even more are getting severely ill.

Note: the rate of childhood asthma in China is only ~2%, and China reported that for those under 19 years old, only 2.5% of the reported cases developed into a severe disease and 0.2% developed into a critical disease so far. So the "severe to critical" exceeds the rate of pediatric asthma.

Also note: the rate of childhood asthma in the US is ~8%. Don't expect our numbers to be as low as theirs.

[Anonymous]

Now that it's officially a pandemic, it is irresponsible to carry on with business as usual. (like it wasn't already irresponsible)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This may or may not be helpful but the # of cases in the USA is proportionally similar to the # cases in Canada, where widespread testing is occurring. About 4000 people have been tested in Ontario and around 3000 people have been tested in BC.

In Ontario, only 1% of people tested are positive so far (they are still waiting on 400 tests).
https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

Ontario lab can test 1000 samples per day, and turnaround time has been reduced to 6 h.At-home testing for the virus will now be made available.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-provinces-start-offering-in-home-testing-for-novel-coronavirus/

The US has roughly 10x the population in Canada.
There are 99 cases of coronavirus infection in Canada and 1016 cases in the US. So there are about 10 X the number of cases in US compared to Canada, which would be expected.

The only difference right now is proportion of deaths - 1 person has died in Canada (1%) while 31 have died in the US (3%). The fatality in Canada was a gentleman in a nursing home in BC. That either says something about the proportion of high risk individuals as cases in Canada versus USA - more high risk people in USA cases, or what stage people are being detected as being positive and/or how quickly they receive treatment.

But how do we know that's true if we're not testing?

Having respiratory distress, needing medical care up to and including hospitalization or ICU and death is not dependent on a test. Look at the number being labeled serious / critical as that is supposed to be about 8-10% of all cases. So far, hospitals aren't reporting a surge and that serious critical number is at 10

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any children died yet?

Gentle reminder that people ages 10-17 are children. So, yes. Definitely.

And children with underlying health conditions are in the category of "people with underlying health conditions." They are not OK just because they are young. And even though not as many kids are dying as adults, thousands are dying and even more are getting severely ill.

Note: the rate of childhood asthma in China is only ~2%, and China reported that for those under 19 years old, only 2.5% of the reported cases developed into a severe disease and 0.2% developed into a critical disease so far. So the "severe to critical" exceeds the rate of pediatric asthma.

Also note: the rate of childhood asthma in the US is ~8%. Don't expect our numbers to be as low as theirs.

As of Feb 24, China had no deaths of children under 9. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/06/coronavirus-kids-who-reports-risk-low-doctors-arent-so-sure/4950626002/

[Anonymous]

If China had masks then they need to share regardless of the political climate. It’s the least they can do for not being honest at the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If China had masks then they need to share regardless of the political climate. It’s the least they can do for not being honest at the beginning.

They have shared a ton with Italy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any children died yet?

Gentle reminder that people ages 10-17 are children. So, yes. Definitely.

And children with underlying health conditions are in the category of "people with underlying health conditions." They are not OK just because they are young. And even though not as many kids are dying as adults, thousands are dying and even more are getting severely ill.

Note: the rate of childhood asthma in China is only ~2%, and China reported that for those under 19 years old, only 2.5% of the reported cases developed into a severe disease and 0.2% developed into a critical disease so far. So the "severe to critical" exceeds the rate of pediatric asthma.

Also note: the rate of childhood asthma in the US is ~8%. Don't expect our numbers to be as low as theirs.

As of Feb 24, China had no deaths of children under 9. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/06/coronavirus-kids-who-reports-risk-low-doctors-arent-so-sure/4950626002/

Gentle reminder that people ages 10-17 are children. My kids are 11 and 14. My sister's kids are 18, 21 and 23.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any children died yet?

Gentle reminder that people ages 10-17 are children. So, yes. Definitely.

And children with underlying health conditions are in the category of "people with underlying health conditions." They are not OK just because they are young. And even though not as many kids are dying as adults, thousands are dying and even more are getting severely ill.

Note: the rate of childhood asthma in China is only ~2%, and China reported that for those under 19 years old, only 2.5% of the reported cases developed into a severe disease and 0.2% developed into a critical disease so far. So the "severe to critical" exceeds the rate of pediatric asthma.

Also note: the rate of childhood asthma in the US is ~8%. Don't expect our numbers to be as low as theirs.

As of Feb 24, China had no deaths of children under 9. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/06/coronavirus-kids-who-reports-risk-low-doctors-arent-so-sure/4950626002/

Not comforting to parents of 13 year olds with asthma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If China had masks then they need to share regardless of the political climate. It’s the least they can do for not being honest at the beginning.

They have shared a ton with Italy.

And respirators and ventilators.

Pp- do research before you start posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm getting mixed messages about regular facemasks. The govt has been saying regular masks won't help the general public but now they say it's ok for healthcare workers to treat covid19 patients with regular masks

Of course, the masks help and were sold here to the general public for use in public health emergencies and approved by the FDA. The N-95 masks say that on the package.

Urging people not to buy them is more of a calming (reduce panic) and conserving (save for hospitals, drs) measure.

That said, the masks aren't foolproof and are subject to user error. And even health care workers have contracted COVID-19, so one cannot have a sense of false security.

"Regular" masks without the respirators would be less helpful but reduce the droplet spread in the sick and maybe help the well a little. NOT FDA approved for that.

The masks were already sold out back in January when people were not paying attention. Other countries took them so the US does not have them. Even the regular surgical masks were cleared out of Walgreens warehouses over 2 months ago. Those 3M masks were approved for exactly this scenario so US citizens could wear them in a pandemic when needing to go to a grocery store or something important. What the US did not do was make sure there was a supply available for US citizens. So now they tell people just wash your hands and forget about masks. Such a failure!!! I wonder how many masks the elites have stacked in their homes. Not enough for healthcare workers either. The government should have stockpiled these masks and be distributing them now to everyone.

The US govt sent our supply of masks to China and the others were bought up by Asian Americans and sent to their relatives in China.

Let’s see in a global pandemic both China and US would both need masks but I guess whoever is in charge of preparing for this exact scenario is so stupid they didn’t figure that out ahead of time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously, if you guys aren’t also reading the travel thread you should - everyone over there still wants to take their spring break trip!

So many idiots. The cavalier “it can’t touch me” is born out of entitlement and self-importance with zero regard for the well-being of others.

Nope. It’s called listening to our government and the “experts” that everyone says we should defer to. CDC website only advises limiting travel to impacted areas. Quote: “CDC does not recommend canceling or postponing travel to destinations with level 1 travel notices because the risk of COVID-19 is thought to be low.” https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/faqs.html.

I can't do the stupid.

It’s not stupid. You’re fear-mongering because that’s what internet trolls do. You relish chaos. And if anyone doesn’t buy into your chaos, you call them stupid. Whatever. If you really are in full panic mode, then enjoy the high blood pressure and everything else that comes with it. I’m going about my life while taking reasonable precautions.