DCPS students shafted again - sign petition to keep Jelleff field public

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Anonymous wrote:Robert White: "I don't know how we resolve this without a lawsuit." And so we go . . .

The question is who would have standing to sue? It would have to be someone directly impacted. So a member of an organization that should have been given higher priority than Maret who applied for a permit and was denied in favor of Maret. It's not going to be a DC agency because the city can't sue itself, it's unlikely to be a programmatic partner, so it would have to be a youth non-profit benefiting principally DC residents. I would say a PTA/PTO would qualify for that.

An individual Hardy or SWW family would have standing.

Does the District's OIG have grounds to investigate?

I’d love to see the OIG on behalf of DCPS Washington DC-resident families sue all of the Maryland students and their parents for theft of services for fraudulently enrolling in DC schools. Imagine the $$$ damages.

Do we know how many Hardy students aren’t just out of boundary, but residents of outside DC?

More smokescreen.

Not at all. It was a talking point being screamed out that Maret had only 62 percent DC residents. But that total is more than the whole population of Hardy. It seems like Maret haters keep trying to throw as much mud to the walls to see what will stick and then change the topic when their hypocrisy is brought to light. If it’s important that certain areas in DC are used for DC residents only as Hardy boosters or Kishan boosters or Elizabeth Miller boosters or crack election staffs have insisted, then it’s a fair question about Hardy. Unless that talking point that was SOOOO IMPORTANT last week to the argument against Maret no longer matters?

You're being a troll.

Nah. Just pointing out a talking point being used to smear a school that now magically doesn’t matter! It’s a miracle! So to summarize, it doesn’t matter if kids are DC residents who use Jelleff. Glad to know that talking point of extraordinary importance has vanished.

It’s a question. Remember that up to 4O percent of Ellington kids may be fraudulently enrolled from Maryland. Add to that number the out of state kids who are there officially because their parents are supposed to be paying tuition, and we’re lucky if 50 percent of Ellington students even live in DC. Although the picture at Hardy is likely to be better, there are still a lot of Maryland kids getting a free education on the DC taxpayers’ dime.

Just goes to show that people who live in glass houses ....

I don't know why you think this is damning. If there's fraud then, hell yes, they should be found and prosecuted. Even if it's only uncovered due to angry maret supporters being soiteful, that's still a good thing. It'd be ironic but that doesn't matter. There's a fundamental difference between.a public and a private school.

We have to provide these things for the public schools. It costs us a lot of money to do that and it's a good thing to do. What's more, it is absolutely essential to do so for the eonomic health and development of the city. Maret made out like bandits under the original deal. It's time to share the public parks.

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According to the testimony by DPR, the timeline was more like:

2008: BGC was broke and needed to be bailed out. No one would buy them. So DC bought them. The facilities were unusable for any regulation sports, and largely derelict.

2009: DC struck a deal with Maret to renovate and maintain the facilities for 10 years with a further 10 year option if Maret proved to be "Good Partners" Silverman asked DPR what defined a "good partner" and DPR responded "If they upheld their end of the deal" I understood that to mean that if Maret let the field go to blight, DPR could end the contract.

The only witness from DPR was the director, Delano Hunter. He did not testify anything of the kind.

There were lots of Maret affiliates who repeated these talking points, but with no support.

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2019: In the agreed upon time frame, Maret basically went to DPR and DPR agreed that they had been "good partners" and signed the papers to extend to the originally agreed 2029 date if Maret put in a little more money to redo the fields and help renovate the clubhouse.

If the deal was as you said, why was DC able to insist that Maret "put in a little more money?" That wasn't part of the deal. And if DC can ask Maret to put in a little more, why can't they ask for a lot more? Wouldn't it benefit the taxpayers to get as much as possible? Isn't that their duty?

Selective hearing. I heard that. you didn't.... let the recording clarify.
Can we agree that if he said it, then it is true? I'm guessing that won't satisfy you though.

DPR does not have a duty to maximize revenue. They'd raise their rates if they did.
They also don't have a duty to provide space for DCPS above all other concerns, which seems to bother everyone here.

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2009: DC struck a deal with Maret to renovate and maintain the facilities for 10 years with a further 10 year option if Maret proved to be "Good Partners" Silverman asked DPR what defined a "good partner" and DPR responded "If they upheld their end of the deal" I understood that to mean that if Maret let the field go to blight, DPR could end the contract.

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The only witness from DPR was the director, Delano Hunter. He did not testify anything of the kind.

Maybe you were distracted at 7:52:00.. so this is just an FYI

I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

No one is disputing that Maret did exactly what they agreed to do in the 2009 agreement. The question is whether that, by itself entitled them to a renewal. While Hunter was thoroughly evasive, the one thing he was clear about was that DPR had the option not to renew the agreement.

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I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

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Toward the end Elissa got pretty testy with Hunter because he said he didn't know how many other deals like this are out there. She had asked him two weeks ago about it, and was annoyed that he had not prepared for the hearing. He promised to get the answer to her.

I would be surprised if he ever does. That would be giving up the DPR crown jewels, there are a lot of these deals out there, and they all stink.

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Anonymous wrote:The PP is not bad at this. She/he is right. For the first 100 pages, the 4-5 Hardy parent trolls railed about how the poor black and brown kids have been shafted by this deal when in fact, the student body at Hardy has changed, and it is the rich white parents of Hardy that are trying to get a sweet deal for their own rich white kids. They don't actually care about the low SES student body.

The poor black kids were given the shaft in 2009. As is so often the case in DC, unfortunately, poor black people don't get listened to by their government.

I bet you Maret boosters wish you could go back to ignoring the interests of poor black kids at Hardy and the B&GC at Jelleff. It must be really hard for you to hear "no" for once in your life.

I bet you Hardy boosters wish you could go back to ignoring the interests of poor black kids. It must be really hard for you to hear "no" for once in your life.
FTFY

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I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

Um.. Please clarify: Are we talking about Maret or Hardy educating the rich and giving little to the treasury?
Maret parents who are DC residents give far more to the DC treasury because they are paying for DCPS and not using it.
Unlike those greedy Hardy parents who insist on using DCPS funds when they could easily pay for a private school.

[Anonymous]

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I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

It's almost like you don't know of any injustices east of the park. Very telling.

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I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

Um.. Please clarify: Are we talking about Maret or Hardy educating the rich and giving little to the treasury?
Maret parents who are DC residents give far more to the DC treasury because they are paying for DCPS and not using it.
Unlike those greedy Hardy parents who insist on using DCPS funds when they could easily pay for a private school.

Amen. And they want to steal the field from Maret and the BGC for themselves it seems. So glad the powerful, elite, rich white parents of Hardy have stood up to steal a field they didn’t pay for for their white children.

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^^ Mic drop...

[Anonymous]

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I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

It's almost like you don't know of any injustices east of the park. Very telling.

She/He apparently didn't come to play...

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I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

Do you really think that the wealthy families who attend private schools contribute little to the city treasury? One reason wealthy families live in DC is because of the private schools. These people pay high property taxes and support public schools even though their kids don't use those schools. Do all you upper NW DC DCPS families really not understand how private schools benefit this area?

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Anonymous wrote:
I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

Do you really think that the wealthy families who attend private schools contribute little to the city treasury? One reason wealthy families live in DC is because of the private schools. These people pay high property taxes and support public schools even though their kids don't use those schools. Do all you upper NW DC DCPS families really not understand how private schools benefit this area?

I knew sooner or later some joker would try and make the “they pay taxes” argument. My taxes pay for lots of services I don’t personally use. Private schools should pay property taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I stand corrected.. It was the Chair who asked him to define a "good" partner first ~7:58:30.. but the answer "They did what they said they were going to do" is fairly accurate.
You don't *have* to admit that you may be wrong, but I know your heart, and you're forgiven.
Can we drop this ridiculous charade of righteous outrage now?
Trump's still in office, and our DC votes may not matter, but maybe we should focus on fixing that somehow?

The outrage is real and easily explained by the fact that the quality of thousands of lower- and middle-class parents’ kids’ education is being undercut by the selfish behavior a school that predominantly educates the kids of very rich people and which contributes very little to the city treasury. That outrage is further magnified because it’s not an isolated case. A similar thing is happening with the Old Hardy school building and LAB and with Guy Mason and G.U.. People affected by these cases see that there is an underlying problem and find common cause to fix it.

Um.. Please clarify: Are we talking about Maret or Hardy educating the rich and giving little to the treasury?
Maret parents who are DC residents give far more to the DC treasury because they are paying for DCPS and not using it.
Unlike those greedy Hardy parents who insist on using DCPS funds when they could easily pay for a private school.

Wow, now I feel like using eminent domain to take Maret's campus and turn it into a Wegman's and some low income housing.

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Anonymous wrote:Cameron complains about the lack of field space in NW DC. Go and have a look at a satellite image (via, say, Google Maps) of the area around Maret. WIS has a full size field just over 1,000 feet from Maret. Beauvoir / NCS has no less than three full-size fields just 1,500 feet away. Sidwell Friends has one a mile away. AU has multiple fields under 2 miles away.

Yet Maret opts that it’s best option to “stay competitive” with the other DC elite schools - all the whole keeping K-12 on a common campus - is to crowd DCPS and B&GC kids out of what should be their space.

Once again, Cameron complains about the lack of field space. In a city facing a climate, transportation and affordable housing crisis. I wonder whose homes Cameron thinks should be bulldozed to provide those fields? What trees should go? Does he think that this city needs more SUVs shuttling kids to and from games and practices?

Maret could certainly use the fields of WIS, NCS, Sidwell and/or AU. These are closer and better than Jelleff. They didn’t pursue these options, I suspect, because it would be both less dignified (!) and more expensive than taking the public school kids’ fields.

And I hope Bowser was listening when Ian Cameron was complaining about the lack of fields in Wards 2 & 3.

The previous week, Bowser announced that she wants over a thousand affordable housing units built in that part of the city. Apart from the former Trolley Trail in the Palisades, there is no idle land anywhere west of Rock Creek Park. I can’t see Bowser hacking down trees to build new houses and there’s an argument to be made that the acres upon acres of private school fields make for good candidates.

But the President of Maret’s BoT thinks we need more of them. They couldn't be more out of touch if they tried.

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I love that Hardy parents are suddenly wealthy. Hardy families are going to be very excited to learn that!