US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:When and why did Asians become so obsessed with higher education? Is it just ingrained in the culture? and forgive my ignorance but when and why did the US have such an influx of Asians within the past thirty years? We’re lumping together a huge number of people by saying Asian. What we really mean are predominately Chinese, Korean, few Japanese, SW Asian/Indian. People don’t stress over Filipino people so much or Cambodian or Vietnamese etc. It’s all just so weird. The poster claiming that Asians could fill every seat in every US college. Is that your goal?

Asians don’t have access to college unless they pass a test.

You should get an Asian friend do they can explain the education system in their country to you.

Also read about the caste system.

I understand the ‘test’ that ‘Asians’ must pass in their respective countries in order to attend college, I have a few Indian friends and understand the caste system. However, the US has no need for this test and we have no caste system. As far as I know most don’t want to make the US more like ‘Asia’. We don’t need to teach to the test. I think the ‘Asians’ are the confused ones here.

Yes, they are the confused ones. In even the recent past they’ve yelled when not admitted with a 1500+ SAT. However, they are beginning to understand what makes a good application to American selective colleges.

I do think it’s important to understand Asian obsession with American education - and it is an obsession. Many do not have access to it in their country, and here, they cannot only access it, but especially succeed in STEM fields.

And, there’s nothing like success to breed copycats. If America opened it’s doors to all the Asians who want to pursue higher education here they could fill most the seats. Just speaking facts.

? what is wrong with immigrants seeking the success through education and STEM? If only more "real" Americans pursued success we wouldn't have so many people on welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:This was arguably a weird instance of whites using Asians yo do their dirty work. It worked.

Ummmm… how? If Harvard etc truly admit “race blind” then whites will lose as well as blacks, and Asians will win big. HYPS etc would have TJ high school demographics.

But it will never truly be race blind. Whites still have so many work arounds.

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Anonymous wrote:Credentialism is a very important thing in some countries

Hence the varsity blue scandal in the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

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Liberals on the Court are guilty if credentialism too. The assumption from the old Michigan cases seemed to be that despite all the “this college is great too” babble, someone with Michigan State scores HAS to be able to go to Michigan instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Credentialism is a very important thing in some countries

Hence the varsity blue scandal in the USA.

That also had to do with social status.

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The notion that attendance at a particular school should guarantee someone high status forever seems fairly new.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion that attendance at a particular school should guarantee someone high status forever seems fairly new.

it's not new at all, it's old White people thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

They have made a conscious effort to recruit more URMs at Oxford, so should they have not earned it? What about the wealthy who have always had a pipeline to Oxford?

BTW, all the Oxford colleges have interviews fir admission, so their process is not objective like dcum makes it out to be.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

They have made a conscious effort to recruit more URMs at Oxford, so should they have not earned it? What about the wealthy who have always had a pipeline to Oxford?

BTW, all the Oxford colleges have interviews fir admission, so their process is not objective like dcum makes it out to be.

They don't use holistic admissions as much as we do here. They care about how much interest you show in your particular field, not your personality and "likeability".

Even so, we don't live in the UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

They have made a conscious effort to recruit more URMs at Oxford, so should they have not earned it? What about the wealthy who have always had a pipeline to Oxford?

BTW, all the Oxford colleges have interviews fir admission, so their process is not objective like dcum makes it out to be.

They don't use holistic admissions as much as we do here. They care about how much interest you show in your particular field, not your personality and "likeability".

Even so, we don't live in the UK.

Oxbridge/elite UK institutions have what many anti-AA folks seem to want. Where they are consistent, is supporting a system that is elitist (Brit public (meaning private) schools are disproportionately represented at these institutions (comprehensives do not have the resources to groom for admissions). The extreme version of what anti-AA seems to be China, where it all boils down to one national test. I thought AA was a least bad solution and the USA system has worked well. If the system was so bad, people have the right to start a uni where admissions are “objective.” Instead we dismantle a back door for disenfranchised but maintain those for the elite…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

They have made a conscious effort to recruit more URMs at Oxford, so should they have not earned it? What about the wealthy who have always had a pipeline to Oxford?

BTW, all the Oxford colleges have interviews fir admission, so their process is not objective like dcum makes it out to be.

They don't use holistic admissions as much as we do here. They care about how much interest you show in your particular field, not your personality and "likeability".

Even so, we don't live in the UK.

Them why did you bring it up? I was only clarifying.

The interview can mean whatever they want it to mean. That is certainly a holistic aspect, though their overall approach doesn't look so much at EC aspects like US. My point is UK isn't completely data driven either.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

They have made a conscious effort to recruit more URMs at Oxford, so should they have not earned it? What about the wealthy who have always had a pipeline to Oxford?

BTW, all the Oxford colleges have interviews fir admission, so their process is not objective like dcum makes it out to be.

They don't use holistic admissions as much as we do here. They care about how much interest you show in your particular field, not your personality and "likeability".

Even so, we don't live in the UK.

Them why did you bring it up? I was only clarifying.

The interview can mean whatever they want it to mean. That is certainly a holistic aspect, though their overall approach doesn't look so much at EC aspects like US. My point is UK isn't completely data driven either.

PP here.. I am not the poster who brought it up.

I have no problems with interviews. In fact, the Harvard case showed that Asian Americans interviewed very well, whereas the AO marked Asian Americans "likeability" score low even as they never interviewed the applicant. This is the main issue that people have with Harvard.

Asian Americans score higher or about the same in every metric except "likeability" by AO. That does not pass the sniff test.

If UK universities did the same to purposefully discriminate against Asians or any race, then I'm sure Brits would not like that, either. My Brit spouse has a friend there who is married to an Asian; their kids are super smart and went to Oxbridge. Those universities look at the A levels (and O). They aren't test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do Asians care that Oxford is 70% white?

no, because Oxford doesn't use race in its admissions, so Asian Brits know that those who got into Oxford got in due to their own merits, and not the color of their skin.

And also, we don't live in the UK so we don't really care what Oxford does.

-Asian American married to a Brit

They have made a conscious effort to recruit more URMs at Oxford, so should they have not earned it? What about the wealthy who have always had a pipeline to Oxford?

BTW, all the Oxford colleges have interviews fir admission, so their process is not objective like dcum makes it out to be.

They don't use holistic admissions as much as we do here. They care about how much interest you show in your particular field, not your personality and "likeability".

Even so, we don't live in the UK.

Them why did you bring it up? I was only clarifying.

The interview can mean whatever they want it to mean. That is certainly a holistic aspect, though their overall approach doesn't look so much at EC aspects like US. My point is UK isn't completely data driven either.

PP here.. I am not the poster who brought it up.

I have no problems with interviews. In fact, the Harvard case showed that Asian Americans interviewed very well, whereas the AO marked Asian Americans "likeability" score low even as they never interviewed the applicant. This is the main issue that people have with Harvard.

Asian Americans score higher or about the same in every metric except "likeability" by AO. That does not pass the sniff test.

If UK universities did the same to purposefully discriminate against Asians or any race, then I'm sure Brits would not like that, either. My Brit spouse has a friend there who is married to an Asian; their kids are super smart and went to Oxbridge. Those universities look at the A levels (and O). They aren't test optional.

Did your friend’s kids go to a comprehensive or public (private) school? That would be an option for your children as well (UK system).

Do you think USA should take on the China or UK higher Ed admissions system? That would be the best for USA society?

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Anonymous wrote:The QWEEN has spoken.

From Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris:

Why the "W" ???

Sorry,I was using my nanny’s phone. Autocorrect, lol!