War with Iran Part II

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Anonymous wrote:Iran has now upped the ante and is attacking ships in the strait of Hormuz. Very problematic, because they are not military but civilian sailors. Iran says they will not agree to a ceasefire until USA removes the blockade.

1. The head of the UN maritime agency has appealed for help for thousands of seafarers stranded in the Gulf by the effective closure of the strait of Hormuz.

About 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been stranded since US-Israeli strikes on Iran on 28 February, according to the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

The agency said at least 10 seafarers have been killed and several more severely injured in attacks on commercial vessels since the start of the war.

IMO’s secretary general, Arsenio Dominguez, said the agency is working on an evacuation plan for the stranded ships but that it can only be put into action when there are clear signs of de-escalation.

2. Here is a summary of the attacks reported in the strait of Hormuz and the statement by the IRGC of the seizure of two of the ships.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said it received a report of a container ship coming under fire off the coast of Oman by a gun boat linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Greece’s Kathimerini newspaper reported that the ship was identified as the Liberia-flagged Epaminondas, owned by Greece’s Technomar Shipping and operated by MSC.
The UKMTO said it received a second report of a ship coming under attack in the strait of Hormuz, near the coast of Iran. It did not say who launched the attack against the cargo ship, which had stopped in the water. Iranian reports suggest the vessel was called Euphoria.
The maritime intelligence company Vanguard told the BBC that a third ship was attacked in the strait of Hormuz, identifying it as the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca.

These are innocent seafarers. While it is Iran attacking, USA now has a responsibility to address this in order to protect these people.

Did you forget what the US has done? The US navy blow up at least 54 civilian boats in the Caribbean and Pacific. They fired on an unarmed cargo ship in the Persian Gulf disabling it. No word on what happened to the crew of that ship. These are all acts of war and war crimes against civilians sailors.

The US is the bad actor and everyone of the seafarers trap in the Persian Gulf fear for their lives when they see a US navy vessel. It is time you admit the US is lawless and a rogue nation.

My god, you are an idiot. IRAN is a terrorist nation, doing what terrorists do - holding the entire world hostage and firing on innocent ships/sailors. There is no reasoning with terrorists.
DP

Both can be true: the US, Israel and Iran are all three huge bullies that need to be punished. Sadly for the innocent populations of those countries.

How is Iran a huge bully? They didn’t start any war and have not invaded a country in centuries unlike the other 2

How convenient that you left out all of the terrorism they've sponsored for decades. Quit trolling.

DP. Iran has only responded to Israel’s attacks against it.

Come on, people. Iran is not a good faith actor and hasn’t been on the world stage for a long time. Most of us can acknowledge that.

Doesn’t make the actions of Israel and the US any less problematic. We are always going to have rogue nations and we have to learn to contain them without resorting to the type of madness we are in.

I agree with your central premise that Israel is not to be trusted and has not showed itself to be an entity I would want my country to ally with. That doesn’t make Iran any type of “good guy”.

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Anonymous wrote:Iran has now upped the ante and is attacking ships in the strait of Hormuz. Very problematic, because they are not military but civilian sailors. Iran says they will not agree to a ceasefire until USA removes the blockade.

1. The head of the UN maritime agency has appealed for help for thousands of seafarers stranded in the Gulf by the effective closure of the strait of Hormuz.

About 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been stranded since US-Israeli strikes on Iran on 28 February, according to the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

The agency said at least 10 seafarers have been killed and several more severely injured in attacks on commercial vessels since the start of the war.

IMO’s secretary general, Arsenio Dominguez, said the agency is working on an evacuation plan for the stranded ships but that it can only be put into action when there are clear signs of de-escalation.

2. Here is a summary of the attacks reported in the strait of Hormuz and the statement by the IRGC of the seizure of two of the ships.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said it received a report of a container ship coming under fire off the coast of Oman by a gun boat linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Greece’s Kathimerini newspaper reported that the ship was identified as the Liberia-flagged Epaminondas, owned by Greece’s Technomar Shipping and operated by MSC.
The UKMTO said it received a second report of a ship coming under attack in the strait of Hormuz, near the coast of Iran. It did not say who launched the attack against the cargo ship, which had stopped in the water. Iranian reports suggest the vessel was called Euphoria.
The maritime intelligence company Vanguard told the BBC that a third ship was attacked in the strait of Hormuz, identifying it as the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca.

These are innocent seafarers. While it is Iran attacking, USA now has a responsibility to address this in order to protect these people.

Did you forget what the US has done? The US navy blow up at least 54 civilian boats in the Caribbean and Pacific. They fired on an unarmed cargo ship in the Persian Gulf disabling it. No word on what happened to the crew of that ship. These are all acts of war and war crimes against civilians sailors.

The US is the bad actor and everyone of the seafarers trap in the Persian Gulf fear for their lives when they see a US navy vessel. It is time you admit the US is lawless and a rogue nation.

My god, you are an idiot. IRAN is a terrorist nation, doing what terrorists do - holding the entire world hostage and firing on innocent ships/sailors. There is no reasoning with terrorists.
DP

Both can be true: the US, Israel and Iran are all three huge bullies that need to be punished. Sadly for the innocent populations of those countries.

How is Iran a huge bully? They didn’t start any war and have not invaded a country in centuries unlike the other 2

1. Iran terrorizes its own population, and has vowed the destruction of Israel and funded terror networks all over the globe.
2. Israel terrorizes its Palestinian population and neighbors and invades neighboring countries on the slightest of pretexts to expand its territory. It has committed war crimes.
3. The USA has run rough shod over a large part of the world in the past 100 years, on the pretext of anti-Communist Domino Theory, and more recently in the Middle East on the pretext of nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. This administration has committed war crimes in Iran and on the high seas.

The punishment is not in our control, other PP. The punishment is that the USA is voluntarily ceding its Superpower status to China. The USA is not seen as a reliable partner anymore, by anyone.

Israel is not fighting Iran because Iran “terrorizes its population”. To the contrary, Israel wants to install someone who will terrorize the population. Apparently, the population of 90m in Iran don’t agree because they have not taken down the regime despite the Mossad-fuelled mass shootings of police during demonstrations in January. Irans government found the Mossad agents within their own people and imprisoned or executed them which is a strict message to any Iranian who wants to topple the regime. Irans two steps ahead of Israel because Israel’s used these tricks before throughout the region. Israel completely underestimated Iran’s ability to mitigate Mossad activity
Please note Iran knew the Us would eventually invade them. Every president since Bush has discussed potential war with Iran including Hillary Clinton. They were part of Bush’s famous Axis of Evil speech in 2002. They had 20 years to prepare. Why were we not prepared? Israel and America really thought taking down Iran would be a two week adventure despite failing last June as well. The hubris is astounding

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Iran has now upped the ante and is attacking ships in the strait of Hormuz. Very problematic, because they are not military but civilian sailors. Iran says they will not agree to a ceasefire until USA removes the blockade.

1. The head of the UN maritime agency has appealed for help for thousands of seafarers stranded in the Gulf by the effective closure of the strait of Hormuz.

About 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been stranded since US-Israeli strikes on Iran on 28 February, according to the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

The agency said at least 10 seafarers have been killed and several more severely injured in attacks on commercial vessels since the start of the war.

IMO’s secretary general, Arsenio Dominguez, said the agency is working on an evacuation plan for the stranded ships but that it can only be put into action when there are clear signs of de-escalation.

2. Here is a summary of the attacks reported in the strait of Hormuz and the statement by the IRGC of the seizure of two of the ships.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said it received a report of a container ship coming under fire off the coast of Oman by a gun boat linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Greece’s Kathimerini newspaper reported that the ship was identified as the Liberia-flagged Epaminondas, owned by Greece’s Technomar Shipping and operated by MSC.
The UKMTO said it received a second report of a ship coming under attack in the strait of Hormuz, near the coast of Iran. It did not say who launched the attack against the cargo ship, which had stopped in the water. Iranian reports suggest the vessel was called Euphoria.
The maritime intelligence company Vanguard told the BBC that a third ship was attacked in the strait of Hormuz, identifying it as the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca.

These are innocent seafarers. While it is Iran attacking, USA now has a responsibility to address this in order to protect these people.

Did you forget what the US has done? The US navy blow up at least 54 civilian boats in the Caribbean and Pacific. They fired on an unarmed cargo ship in the Persian Gulf disabling it. No word on what happened to the crew of that ship. These are all acts of war and war crimes against civilians sailors.

The US is the bad actor and everyone of the seafarers trap in the Persian Gulf fear for their lives when they see a US navy vessel. It is time you admit the US is lawless and a rogue nation.

My god, you are an idiot. IRAN is a terrorist nation, doing what terrorists do - holding the entire world hostage and firing on innocent ships/sailors. There is no reasoning with terrorists.
DP

Both can be true: the US, Israel and Iran are all three huge bullies that need to be punished. Sadly for the innocent populations of those countries.

How is Iran a huge bully? They didn’t start any war and have not invaded a country in centuries unlike the other 2

1. Iran terrorizes its own population, and has vowed the destruction of Israel and funded terror networks all over the globe.
2. Israel terrorizes its Palestinian population and neighbors and invades neighboring countries on the slightest of pretexts to expand its territory. It has committed war crimes.
3. The USA has run rough shod over a large part of the world in the past 100 years, on the pretext of anti-Communist Domino Theory, and more recently in the Middle East on the pretext of nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. This administration has committed war crimes in Iran and on the high seas.

The punishment is not in our control, other PP. The punishment is that the USA is voluntarily ceding its Superpower status to China. The USA is not seen as a reliable partner anymore, by anyone.

Israel is not fighting Iran because Iran “terrorizes its population”. To the contrary, Israel wants to install someone who will terrorize the population. Apparently, the population of 90m in Iran don’t agree because they have not taken down the regime despite the Mossad-fuelled mass shootings of police during demonstrations in January. Irans government found the Mossad agents within their own people and imprisoned or executed them which is a strict message to any Iranian who wants to topple the regime. Irans two steps ahead of Israel because Israel’s used these tricks before throughout the region. Israel completely underestimated Iran’s ability to mitigate Mossad activity
Please note Iran knew the Us would eventually invade them. Every president since Bush has discussed potential war with Iran including Hillary Clinton. They were part of Bush’s famous Axis of Evil speech in 2002. They had 20 years to prepare. Why were we not prepared? Israel and America really thought taking down Iran would be a two week adventure despite failing last June as well. The hubris is astounding

May I remind you the the US government dismantled Iran’s democratically elected government and installed the Shah. A fake one too since he was not a member of the storied Qatar dynasty.

That’s like us going to the UK and taking over, dismissing the government and appointing our own guy to be the new King of England with no prior ties to the House of Windsor.

[Anonymous]

Qajar. Not Qatar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran has now upped the ante and is attacking ships in the strait of Hormuz. Very problematic, because they are not military but civilian sailors. Iran says they will not agree to a ceasefire until USA removes the blockade.

1. The head of the UN maritime agency has appealed for help for thousands of seafarers stranded in the Gulf by the effective closure of the strait of Hormuz.

About 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been stranded since US-Israeli strikes on Iran on 28 February, according to the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

The agency said at least 10 seafarers have been killed and several more severely injured in attacks on commercial vessels since the start of the war.

IMO’s secretary general, Arsenio Dominguez, said the agency is working on an evacuation plan for the stranded ships but that it can only be put into action when there are clear signs of de-escalation.

2. Here is a summary of the attacks reported in the strait of Hormuz and the statement by the IRGC of the seizure of two of the ships.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said it received a report of a container ship coming under fire off the coast of Oman by a gun boat linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Greece’s Kathimerini newspaper reported that the ship was identified as the Liberia-flagged Epaminondas, owned by Greece’s Technomar Shipping and operated by MSC.
The UKMTO said it received a second report of a ship coming under attack in the strait of Hormuz, near the coast of Iran. It did not say who launched the attack against the cargo ship, which had stopped in the water. Iranian reports suggest the vessel was called Euphoria.
The maritime intelligence company Vanguard told the BBC that a third ship was attacked in the strait of Hormuz, identifying it as the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca.

These are innocent seafarers. While it is Iran attacking, USA now has a responsibility to address this in order to protect these people.

Did you forget what the US has done? The US navy blow up at least 54 civilian boats in the Caribbean and Pacific. They fired on an unarmed cargo ship in the Persian Gulf disabling it. No word on what happened to the crew of that ship. These are all acts of war and war crimes against civilians sailors.

The US is the bad actor and everyone of the seafarers trap in the Persian Gulf fear for their lives when they see a US navy vessel. It is time you admit the US is lawless and a rogue nation.

My god, you are an idiot. IRAN is a terrorist nation, doing what terrorists do - holding the entire world hostage and firing on innocent ships/sailors. There is no reasoning with terrorists.
DP

Yes we all know that. There is no reasoning with Israel. They are a radical theocracy based on Jewish supremacy armed with nuclear weapons, sponsoring terrorism, destabilizing the region, destroying countless countries and arming proxies.

Israel needs regime change and UN occupation. All the conditions Israel is demanding of Iran must be applied to Israel- no nuclear weapons, strike capability, no enrichment, freeze all assets, etc.

Exactly, Zionists are the inventors of terrorism in the middle east and have been using it for almost a century to terrorize the entire region. Even Jews in other nations were not spared.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran has now upped the ante and is attacking ships in the strait of Hormuz. Very problematic, because they are not military but civilian sailors. Iran says they will not agree to a ceasefire until USA removes the blockade.

1. The head of the UN maritime agency has appealed for help for thousands of seafarers stranded in the Gulf by the effective closure of the strait of Hormuz.

About 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been stranded since US-Israeli strikes on Iran on 28 February, according to the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

The agency said at least 10 seafarers have been killed and several more severely injured in attacks on commercial vessels since the start of the war.

IMO’s secretary general, Arsenio Dominguez, said the agency is working on an evacuation plan for the stranded ships but that it can only be put into action when there are clear signs of de-escalation.

2. Here is a summary of the attacks reported in the strait of Hormuz and the statement by the IRGC of the seizure of two of the ships.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said it received a report of a container ship coming under fire off the coast of Oman by a gun boat linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Greece’s Kathimerini newspaper reported that the ship was identified as the Liberia-flagged Epaminondas, owned by Greece’s Technomar Shipping and operated by MSC.
The UKMTO said it received a second report of a ship coming under attack in the strait of Hormuz, near the coast of Iran. It did not say who launched the attack against the cargo ship, which had stopped in the water. Iranian reports suggest the vessel was called Euphoria.
The maritime intelligence company Vanguard told the BBC that a third ship was attacked in the strait of Hormuz, identifying it as the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca.

These are innocent seafarers. While it is Iran attacking, USA now has a responsibility to address this in order to protect these people.

Did you forget what the US has done? The US navy blow up at least 54 civilian boats in the Caribbean and Pacific. They fired on an unarmed cargo ship in the Persian Gulf disabling it. No word on what happened to the crew of that ship. These are all acts of war and war crimes against civilians sailors.

The US is the bad actor and everyone of the seafarers trap in the Persian Gulf fear for their lives when they see a US navy vessel. It is time you admit the US is lawless and a rogue nation.

My god, you are an idiot. IRAN is a terrorist nation, doing what terrorists do - holding the entire world hostage and firing on innocent ships/sailors. There is no reasoning with terrorists.
DP

Both can be true: the US, Israel and Iran are all three huge bullies that need to be punished. Sadly for the innocent populations of those countries.

How is Iran a huge bully? They didn’t start any war and have not invaded a country in centuries unlike the other 2

How convenient that you left out all of the terrorism they've sponsored for decades. Quit trolling.

You can’t sponsor something that doesn’t already exist. Ask yourself why these terror groups exist and why so many Palestinian and Lebanese men would be angry at Israel. Put your thinking cap on and really think about it.
They can make Benjamin Netanyahu in charge of Iran tomorrow and that won’t stop these terror groups. They aren’t governments. They can’t be toppled. Even an Israeli general admitted Hamas and Hezbollah are here to stay and realities that Israel cannot end on the ground or in the air. The public got upset he said it but it was very true. If anything, war makes these groups and their ideologies bigger

Until Israel faces the reality that bombing doesn’t make them safer, they won’t be safe. They should learn the lesson from their Camp David deal with Egypt and how that helped both countries move on from past hostilities

[Anonymous]

10/1/1973-egypt prepares for a surprise attack on Israel

10/1/2023-egypt warns and shares intelligence with Israel about an incoming Saturday attack from hamas on the Egyptian anniversary of 10/7

In just 50 years, a former enemy became a friend. Without camp David, Egypt would’ve been joined with hamas on 10/7/23. Israel would’ve been screwed even more fighting an actual army and air force along with hamas.

The mess Netanyahu is leaving behind won’t be cleaned up for 100 years. He’s multiplying Israel’s foes (Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, Gaza) with no f’s given under the assumption that US protection will always come to the rescue. This isn’t sustainable or responsible politics.

[Anonymous]

Changing Iran’s regime won’t bring the dead mothers or children of the Levant back. Israel will always be hated in the region if it continues to shed blood and attack civilians as carelessly as it does

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10/1/1973-egypt prepares for a surprise attack on Israel

10/1/2023-egypt warns and shares intelligence with Israel about an incoming Saturday attack from hamas on the Egyptian anniversary of 10/7

In just 50 years, a former enemy became a friend. Without camp David, Egypt would’ve been joined with hamas on 10/7/23. Israel would’ve been screwed even more fighting an actual army and air force along with hamas.

The mess Netanyahu is leaving behind won’t be cleaned up for 100 years. He’s multiplying Israel’s foes (Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, Gaza) with no f’s given under the assumption that US protection will always come to the rescue. This isn’t sustainable or responsible politics.

Egypt was bought off by the US but the region has changed. Iran has shown Israel weakness. Live by the sword die die by the sword. Israel is screwed.

[Anonymous]

Word is the Iranians are going to take Trump down. They plan to keep this up till November or December at a minimum but may continue to the end of his term.

Get ready republicans for high gas prices and an intermittent hot to warm war for the next 2-3 years. Think Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military will have to be on high alert or active war footing for 2 years.

This means the US will spend 100’s of billions, lose the petrodollar, lose the ME, lose all its allies, burn out soldiers/sailors with long deployments, go through munitions, speed up replacement for weapon system, etc. We do not have the money to do this.

This is a republican war for Israel and it will take them down. What a disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word is the Iranians are going to take Trump down. They plan to keep this up till November or December at a minimum but may continue to the end of his term.

Get ready republicans for high gas prices and an intermittent hot to warm war for the next 2-3 years. Think Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military will have to be on high alert or active war footing for 2 years.

This means the US will spend 100’s of billions, lose the petrodollar, lose the ME, lose all its allies, burn out soldiers/sailors with long deployments, go through munitions, speed up replacement for weapon system, etc. We do not have the money to do this.

This is a republican war for Israel and it will take them down. What a disaster.

Based on the gutting of homeland security and purposeful placement of the unqualified, it’s very obvious what the next chapter is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word is the Iranians are going to take Trump down. They plan to keep this up till November or December at a minimum but may continue to the end of his term.

Get ready republicans for high gas prices and an intermittent hot to warm war for the next 2-3 years. Think Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military will have to be on high alert or active war footing for 2 years.

This means the US will spend 100’s of billions, lose the petrodollar, lose the ME, lose all its allies, burn out soldiers/sailors with long deployments, go through munitions, speed up replacement for weapon system, etc. We do not have the money to do this.

This is a republican war for Israel and it will take them down. What a disaster.

That's what I've been thinking for a while. They have the means to needle Trump for the next two years, and he can't do anything about it. Bombing a bridge or power plant, seizing a civilian ship, etc. makes him a bigger global villain and does nothing to bring this to an end. As fuel scarcity and prices grow, the world will primarily blame Trump. The moron self-inflicted a new "Covid crisis" that will dominate the headlines for the rest of his Presidency and overshadow anything he wants to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran has now upped the ante and is attacking ships in the strait of Hormuz. Very problematic, because they are not military but civilian sailors. Iran says they will not agree to a ceasefire until USA removes the blockade.

1. The head of the UN maritime agency has appealed for help for thousands of seafarers stranded in the Gulf by the effective closure of the strait of Hormuz.

About 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been stranded since US-Israeli strikes on Iran on 28 February, according to the International Maritime Organization (IMO).

The agency said at least 10 seafarers have been killed and several more severely injured in attacks on commercial vessels since the start of the war.

IMO’s secretary general, Arsenio Dominguez, said the agency is working on an evacuation plan for the stranded ships but that it can only be put into action when there are clear signs of de-escalation.

2. Here is a summary of the attacks reported in the strait of Hormuz and the statement by the IRGC of the seizure of two of the ships.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said it received a report of a container ship coming under fire off the coast of Oman by a gun boat linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Greece’s Kathimerini newspaper reported that the ship was identified as the Liberia-flagged Epaminondas, owned by Greece’s Technomar Shipping and operated by MSC.
The UKMTO said it received a second report of a ship coming under attack in the strait of Hormuz, near the coast of Iran. It did not say who launched the attack against the cargo ship, which had stopped in the water. Iranian reports suggest the vessel was called Euphoria.
The maritime intelligence company Vanguard told the BBC that a third ship was attacked in the strait of Hormuz, identifying it as the Panama-flagged MSC Francesca.

These are innocent seafarers. While it is Iran attacking, USA now has a responsibility to address this in order to protect these people.

Did you forget what the US has done? The US navy blow up at least 54 civilian boats in the Caribbean and Pacific. They fired on an unarmed cargo ship in the Persian Gulf disabling it. No word on what happened to the crew of that ship. These are all acts of war and war crimes against civilians sailors.

The US is the bad actor and everyone of the seafarers trap in the Persian Gulf fear for their lives when they see a US navy vessel. It is time you admit the US is lawless and a rogue nation.

My god, you are an idiot. IRAN is a terrorist nation, doing what terrorists do - holding the entire world hostage and firing on innocent ships/sailors. There is no reasoning with terrorists.
DP

Both can be true: the US, Israel and Iran are all three huge bullies that need to be punished. Sadly for the innocent populations of those countries.

Yet, China can do business and live in peace with all of them.

[Anonymous]

I know this also belongs in dementia thread, but Donald Trump has claimed the US has “total control” of the strait of Hormuz, as he berated Iran for “not knowing” who its leader is.
Thus just looks horrible for the USA. Why don’t they take his phone away or block his WiFi? Where does he come up with these delusions???

[Anonymous]

I think even MAGA has finally taken a turn against Trump. Most Republicans are not happy with the war.