What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I may be the lone dissenter, but I still think it was something weird and unusual like CO or toxic gas or algae. I just find it hard to believe that all of them, including the dog, would have succumbed to heat stroke, presumably around the same time. They still had water in their Camelbak and were only 1.5 miles from their car. If things were that bad, wouldn't they have drank all the water and/or poured water over their heads or splashed their faces?

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You're not a lone dissenter. This same exact opinion has been expressed about 100x already on this thread.

Also expressed 100x: that it was FA. That is was easily heat exhaustion.

Less common opinions: Aliens. Boulders.

+1. I actually could have bought heatstroke, no matter how unlikely, but not with water left in the pack. No way the family doesn't drink/use that to try to cool down if that's the problem.

They had a 1.5 mile uphill climb. They conserved. However, delirium sets in and you do stupid things.

How did a toxic cloud instantly kill all four at the same time and move the mother up the trail?

Go tell the police and the park rangers that you have it all figured out. You know exactly what happened and you're going to blame the parents.

I wouldn't have bothered wasting resources on death by misadventure. There is no chloroform killer or rogue boulders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

So, it's not unusual to die from heat stroke when it's hot? Do the authorities investigate the possibility of deadly hazardous clouds or do they write it off as another idiot hiking in rhe extreme heat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

So, it's not unusual to die from heat stroke when it's hot? Do the authorities investigate the possibility of deadly hazardous clouds or do they write it off as another idiot hiking in rhe extreme heat?

It's very common to die of heatstroke when it's very hot.

This case is unusual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

So, it's not unusual to die from heat stroke when it's hot? Do the authorities investigate the possibility of deadly hazardous clouds or do they write it off as another idiot hiking in rhe extreme heat?

It's very common to die of heatstroke when it's very hot.

This case is unusual.

Unusual because 4 living things died at the same time makes some reasons less probable. Such as simultaneous heatstroke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

So, it's not unusual to die from heat stroke when it's hot? Do the authorities investigate the possibility of deadly hazardous clouds or do they write it off as another idiot hiking in rhe extreme heat?

It's very common to die of heatstroke when it's very hot.

This case is unusual.

Unusual because 4 living things died at the same time makes some reasons less probable. Such as simultaneous heatstroke.

Only 2, possibly. The baby and dog didn't have an opportunity to leave.

[Anonymous]

You don’t know that it was simultaneous. If the wife went ahead to get help but collapsed the husband wouldn’t. Know. He may have been sitting there for a while.

They could have split up further back with the wife looking for help and the husband was trying to alternate resting and moving forward. My guess is that husband was trying to carry the dog in his arms and baby in the carrier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t know that it was simultaneous. If the wife went ahead to get help but collapsed the husband wouldn’t. Know. He may have been sitting there for a while.

They could have split up further back with the wife looking for help and the husband was trying to alternate resting and moving forward. My guess is that husband was trying to carry the dog in his arms and baby in the carrier.

How do you explain closing the trails and picnic areas due to the hazard that killed this family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t know that it was simultaneous. If the wife went ahead to get help but collapsed the husband wouldn’t. Know. He may have been sitting there for a while.

They could have split up further back with the wife looking for help and the husband was trying to alternate resting and moving forward. My guess is that husband was trying to carry the dog in his arms and baby in the carrier.

How do you explain closing the trails and picnic areas due to the hazard that killed this family?

NFS personnel in CA are all working fires. They don't have the extra resources to rescue tourists poking into what has turned into a very high profile case and getting into trouble because it is so remote and hot with no cell or satellite connectivity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t know that it was simultaneous. If the wife went ahead to get help but collapsed the husband wouldn’t. Know. He may have been sitting there for a while.

They could have split up further back with the wife looking for help and the husband was trying to alternate resting and moving forward. My guess is that husband was trying to carry the dog in his arms and baby in the carrier.

All within a few minutes of each other is pretty much simultaneous. And wouldn't either of them who saw the other collapsing tried to use the cell phone? You people just come up with wacky scenarios when its more likely they were victims of something toxic that got them all at once or it's a murder/suicide.

[Anonymous]

Here's an interesting link from the websleuths forum

https://emergency-vets.com/species/dogs/dogs-heat-stroke-stress-summer/

Unlike humans, dogs do not sweat to cool their bodies (except a small amount through the paw pads). Instead, dogs primarily regulate their temperature through their mouth, by panting. This can be very ineffective, however, when the temperature gets over 80 degrees or when a dog is in direct sunlight.

If the temperature is over 90 degrees, do not let your pet outside for more than 10 or 20 minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t know that it was simultaneous. If the wife went ahead to get help but collapsed the husband wouldn’t. Know. He may have been sitting there for a while.

They could have split up further back with the wife looking for help and the husband was trying to alternate resting and moving forward. My guess is that husband was trying to carry the dog in his arms and baby in the carrier.

All within a few minutes of each other is pretty much simultaneous. And wouldn't either of them who saw the other collapsing tried to use the cell phone? You people just come up with wacky scenarios when its more likely they were victims of something toxic that got them all at once or it's a murder/suicide.

There's no cell reception in that area. They'd have to get back up the trailhead at the least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

Yes, they do. And they're still open.

So, it's not unusual to die from heat stroke when it's hot? Do the authorities investigate the possibility of deadly hazardous clouds or do they write it off as another idiot hiking in rhe extreme heat?

It's very common to die of heatstroke when it's very hot.

This case is unusual.

Unusual because 4 living things died at the same time makes some reasons less probable. Such as simultaneous heatstroke.

Nothing will stop you from making this idiotic claim, right? You refuse to educate yourself about heat stroke, dehydration etc. All you care about is that you are right. It makes you feel important that you think you've figured this out. Those of us explaining heat stroke do so because we know it is most likely. I don't see the joy that some posters get in making up all kinds of ridiculous stories. It is disrespectful to the family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's an interesting link from the websleuths forum

https://emergency-vets.com/species/dogs/dogs-heat-stroke-stress-summer/

Unlike humans, dogs do not sweat to cool their bodies (except a small amount through the paw pads). Instead, dogs primarily regulate their temperature through their mouth, by panting. This can be very ineffective, however, when the temperature gets over 80 degrees or when a dog is in direct sunlight.

If the temperature is over 90 degrees, do not let your pet outside for more than 10 or 20 minutes.

This has been discussed numerous times.