What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All trails (9 trails) and picnic sites (6) in the immediate area have been closed. “We are uncertain of the causes of death. We still haven’t gotten the results from the case,” said Leak Pen, assistant recreation officer at the Bass Lake Ranger District, which oversees that portion of the Sierra National Forest. “So, as a precaution, let’s go ahead and close it because we know there’s some form of hazard to the public.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/Feds-close-trails-near-mysterious-Mariposa-County-16426022.php

[Anonymous]

^ that doesn't sound like heatstroke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ that doesn't sound like heatstroke.

Would you call extreme temperatures hazardous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I may be the lone dissenter, but I still think it was something weird and unusual like CO or toxic gas or algae. I just find it hard to believe that all of them, including the dog, would have succumbed to heat stroke, presumably around the same time. They still had water in their Camelbak and were only 1.5 miles from their car. If things were that bad, wouldn't they have drank all the water and/or poured water over their heads or splashed their faces?

d

You're not a lone dissenter. This same exact opinion has been expressed about 100x already on this thread.

Also expressed 100x: that it was FA. That is was easily heat exhaustion.

Less common opinions: Aliens. Boulders.

+1. I actually could have bought heatstroke, no matter how unlikely, but not with water left in the pack. No way the family doesn't drink/use that to try to cool down if that's the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

There are clearly a few posters here who can't grasp this concept no matter how many times it is repeated. The want, no need, the crazy drama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

There are clearly a few posters here who can't grasp this concept no matter how many times it is repeated. The want, no need, the crazy drama.

Worse is the fact that they don’t bother to read the prior posts and somehow think their contribution days into a 100+ page thread is going to be one that hasn’t been posted and debated before. Catch up before posting, people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

You mean so people don't accidentally kill themselves because it's too hot, and they think it's fine anyhow? In addition to the fact that there may be hazardous gas is the area, as reported earlier?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I may be the lone dissenter, but I still think it was something weird and unusual like CO or toxic gas or algae. I just find it hard to believe that all of them, including the dog, would have succumbed to heat stroke, presumably around the same time. They still had water in their Camelbak and were only 1.5 miles from their car. If things were that bad, wouldn't they have drank all the water and/or poured water over their heads or splashed their faces?

d

You're not a lone dissenter. This same exact opinion has been expressed about 100x already on this thread.

Also expressed 100x: that it was FA. That is was easily heat exhaustion.

Less common opinions: Aliens. Boulders.

+1. I actually could have bought heatstroke, no matter how unlikely, but not with water left in the pack. No way the family doesn't drink/use that to try to cool down if that's the problem.

They had a 1.5 mile uphill climb. They conserved. However, delirium sets in and you do stupid things.

How did a toxic cloud instantly kill all four at the same time and move the mother up the trail?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

You mean so people don't accidentally kill themselves because it's too hot, and they think it's fine anyhow? In addition to the fact that there may be hazardous gas is the area, as reported earlier?

Or there may not be one. Experts have been unable to find any way for a hazardous cloud to exist. Nothing exists that would produce such a cloud on that trail. No, not even mines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I may be the lone dissenter, but I still think it was something weird and unusual like CO or toxic gas or algae. I just find it hard to believe that all of them, including the dog, would have succumbed to heat stroke, presumably around the same time. They still had water in their Camelbak and were only 1.5 miles from their car. If things were that bad, wouldn't they have drank all the water and/or poured water over their heads or splashed their faces?

d

You're not a lone dissenter. This same exact opinion has been expressed about 100x already on this thread.

Also expressed 100x: that it was FA. That is was easily heat exhaustion.

Less common opinions: Aliens. Boulders.

+1. I actually could have bought heatstroke, no matter how unlikely, but not with water left in the pack. No way the family doesn't drink/use that to try to cool down if that's the problem.

They had a 1.5 mile uphill climb. They conserved. However, delirium sets in and you do stupid things.

How did a toxic cloud instantly kill all four at the same time and move the mother up the trail?

Go tell the police and the park rangers that you have it all figured out. You know exactly what happened and you're going to blame the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

The family died 3 weeks ago. Precautionary is long out the window. They wouldn't close it this late unless there was something about the trail or environmental factors contributing.

Even Death Valley is open year-round and the average high there is 115F in August.

They get deaths from heat stroke there. Every year. Strange huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting that they’re now closing the trail the family was hiking on due to unknown hazards.

A reasonable interpretation of that behavior is that there may not be any hazard present and the behavior is precautionary instead of reactionary.

You mean so people don't accidentally kill themselves because it's too hot, and they think it's fine anyhow? In addition to the fact that there may be hazardous gas is the area, as reported earlier?

Or there may not be one. Experts have been unable to find any way for a hazardous cloud to exist. Nothing exists that would produce such a cloud on that trail. No, not even mines.

Let's find out tomorrow when they release the toxicology report. I can think of something that could create a toxic cloud there. I don't know if that's what happened, but it should be detectable if that's what happened.