Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

An argument? What did the mother try to play a joker in a pair during Mahjong?

You, my friend, have clearly never been the caretaker for an 80 something year old woman. Arguments are frequent (depending on the person) because they lose their filter.

This, so this. Even when Savannah did a lovely tribute to her mom she said something like...she will tell you what she thinks whether you like it or not. When someone loses their filter (even without dementia) that can turn into sharp verbal daggers with no self-awareness or empathy.

I Engage with my PITA mother-in-law all the time who says horrifying things and I’ve never gotten in an argument with her. That’s called emotional maturity.

Maybe they were telling her it was time for assisted living and it escalated. You have no idea.

That would warrant a murder in your family?

No one is saying any of this would make us murder our family members. Stop with your straw man argument. It's nonsensical.

Well, which is it? Either you’re emotionally mature enough to handle an argument with an elderly person or even though you were one of their closest caretakers you flip and chop them up?

Oh, so there's no daylight between "Yes, I would occasional push back on an unkind comment by my mother," and "I would murder her?" Weird take.

That's precisely my point. The PP said "There could have been argument and it was unplanned." What kind of argument leads to a murder?

Ask Chris Watts, Nick Reiner, Drew Peterson….

Now you're contradicting yourself.

Oh do tell! I'm sure we can play this game all day. The doubters of elder abuse have arrived because who could ever hurt a sweet old lady, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

I respect the heck out of an 84 year old who will use an uber. My 78 year old neighbor refused to use uber or have the software loaded on her phone. Her younger brother tried. She had broken her shoulder and broken her opposing hand in a fall. She could not drive to her doctor appointments or 4x a week PT after the shoulder replacement.

It was hell on the neighbors to drive her around as she did not have local family and the wealthy daughter was an out of state no show.

She refused to use uber because $. Well, she could not write her checks for 8 weeks so I wrote out the checks for her bills. She had over $15k in her checking account alone. She could afford an uber for 6 weeks.

I respect the heck out of any seniors that use uber or the free senior transport provided by the county. Uber gives seniors autonomy.
It keeps the roads safer. It takes a really heavy burden off of family members and neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

This has nothing to do with elder preferences but establishing a scenario and supporting alibi.

If the police have no one to ask, you can’t possibly be found guilty.

If it’s just the three of you, and you’re living ten minutes away from each other, why is there a need for an Uber? Presumably time is flexible if others are not invited and if you had something to do, you could swing by and pick mom up right after or even have her ride along while you ran your errand.

The food would still be hot if you leave and grab her after you’re finished cooking.

If your kid needed to be dropped off at a sleepover or other event, same thing, logistics can be arranged that include stopping to pick her up.

But if you need to have someone else see her being brought to your home, to prove she was at a dinner with you, then you need the Uber.

There’s very few reasons to require an 84yo to Uber to your home for dinner.

It's not unusual for older people to take ubers in situations like this to go to someone's house, even when they are offered rides. My elderly great aunt was always telling me "I'll hop in a cab!" or "I'll just hop in an uber!" (after she learned to use it) when I invited her over, even if I offered a ride.

It was harder for her to refuse the ride back home because I was right there insisting in person with the keys in my hand.

For a ten minute car ride?

NP, but you seem to underestimate how much some elderly people cherish their independence. They do NOT want to rely on others for rides. If they can't drive, they want to get a cab or an uber or take public transport (shudder. count your lucky stars if your parent doesnt insist on this like my 81 year old mother with balance issues does). So yes. If I invite my mom over for dinner and say "I'LL PICK YOU UP ON MY WAY HOME FROM WORK!" she will say equally forcefully "NO THAT'S OK YOU ARE SO BUSY! I WILL TAKE THE BUS!" and I will say "if you take the bus, mom, I'm going to have a stroke and not be able to cook you dinner." and she'll say "fine, then I'll take an uber!" she is so proud of herself for knowing how to use the app and loves the freedom it gives her to go wherever she wants whenever she wants.

+1000 My parents want to either drive or Uber. My mom has mobility issues and even when we drive her, she rushes as to not be a burden.

Your mom doesn't live alone.

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Does anyone actually think Tommaso is tall, dark and handsome?!!

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NBC reporting:
Law enforcement is expected to release a surveillance photo showing a potential subject in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, two senior law enforcement officials told NBC News.

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Anonymous wrote:NBC reporting:
Law enforcement is expected to release a surveillance photo showing a potential subject in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, two senior law enforcement officials told NBC News.

Came to post this. All of you blaming the brother-in-law because of the way “he looks “or how he “haunts” you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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CNN's is reporting from NBC that the image is one taken from Nancy's home camera, wearing a mask, carrying a backpack and tools.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

Sorry, did you say HANDSOME???!!

haha, NO

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Someone in the Find Nancy Guthrie Facebook group says they contacted the FBI about a neighbor’s adult son with a lengthy criminal history, including assault and kidnapping-related offenses, who reportedly lives a few doors from Nancy Guthrie’s home, urging investigators to look into him.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in the Find Nancy Guthrie Facebook group says they contacted the FBI about a neighbor’s adult son with a lengthy criminal history, including assault and kidnapping-related offenses, who reportedly lives a few doors from Nancy Guthrie’s home, urging investigators to look into him.

I said this in the first few pages.

I said it’s gonna be a failure to launch kid who’s living with their parents. Someone who has a special-needs child freaked out because they don’t understand that that’s not failure to lunch.

It’s gonna be the son of one of the neighbors who has a criminal history who’s living with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in the Find Nancy Guthrie Facebook group says they contacted the FBI about a neighbor’s adult son with a lengthy criminal history, including assault and kidnapping-related offenses, who reportedly lives a few doors from Nancy Guthrie’s home, urging investigators to look into him.

I said this in the first few pages.

I said it’s gonna be a failure to launch kid who’s living with their parents. Someone who has a special-needs child freaked out because they don’t understand that that’s not failure to lunch.

It’s gonna be the son of one of the neighbors who has a criminal history who’s living with them.

Fry him.

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Anonymous wrote:If the BIL did it, where did he keep her? It is possible that he killed her, then asked for a ransom, as needed money. It is obvious he couldn’t keep her alive, unless it was done by an associate. Harvey Levin keeps saying that the ransom note was in perfect grammar and well written and that the person who wrote it was smart.
Remind me again what subject the BIL teaches?

I think middle school science.

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Anonymous wrote:Adding:

CNN's is reporting from NBC that the image is one taken from Nancy's home camera, wearing a mask, carrying a backpack and tools.

What would be the reason for releasing this image so late?

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CNN's is reporting from NBC that the image is one taken from Nancy's home camera, wearing a mask, carrying a backpack and tools.

What would be the reason for releasing this image so late?

Maybe it took a little time for forensics to make it workable enough to share? The sheriff had previously said that they were hoping to have more clarity on those, since none of the cameras had cloud backup.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone in the Find Nancy Guthrie Facebook group says they contacted the FBI about a neighbor’s adult son with a lengthy criminal history, including assault and kidnapping-related offenses, who reportedly lives a few doors from Nancy Guthrie’s home, urging investigators to look into him.

I said this in the first few pages.

I said it’s gonna be a failure to launch kid who’s living with their parents. Someone who has a special-needs child freaked out because they don’t understand that that’s not failure to lunch.

It’s gonna be the son of one of the neighbors who has a criminal history who’s living with them.

I do hope you'll come back often and crow about how you solved it in the first few minutes. This is not a competition.

I'm certain LE has considered every person despite not having you directly on the case, Cagney.