Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift engaged!

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Anonymous wrote:Record execs duped her fans into rebuying all of her old albums under the guise of the masters being stolen and she tricked the big bad execs by re-recording everything. Y’all are hopeless saps.

Do your research first before responding. You’re wrong on why she recorded them

NP. She recorded them to devalue her old masters. Duped her fans into buying them with the sob story that they were bought out from under her. Gotta hand it to the petty b****.

Are the feminists still here with us? Or are we just giving up the ruse that they were ever for women?

Wait a minute- are you saying you can only be a feminist if you support Taylor? Or only if you support all women regardless of principle?

Or are you saying you bought into her grift that by buying her albums again again you were support women against big bad men?

I don’t need to support all women when I disagree with them principle nor do I have to support Taylor swift to be a feminist. Why (other than you bought her crap) would you ever think you have to support all women even if you disagree with them?

NP. No one is forcing you to buy her music so I don’t get where the animosity is coming from. I’ve never purchased a single item but still like her music. It’s possible. But to your other point, yeah kind of. If no one is getting hurt and it’s all just a business model that hurts no one but you just happen to disagree with, yeah I still think women should support women who are changing the status quo. And she has and did. They literally teach business law classes based on her approach. I think any feminist would support that success, as well as her advice and help she gives to upcoming artists. But whatever.

I have read she has actually hurt up coming artists with the way her handled the business. Here is a law school talking about how contracts have changed for the worse for artists because of how Taylor’s team handled the situation. She just made the system more capitalist.

https://uclawreview.org/2024/03/27/look-what-you-made-them-do-the-impact-of-taylor-swifts-re-recording-project-on-record-labels/

And Harvard: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/how-taylor-swift-changed-the-copyright-game-by-remaking-her-own-music/

In response, record companies are now trying to prohibit re-recordings for 20 or 30 years, not just two or three. And this has become a key part of contract negotiations. “Will they get 30 years? Probably not, if the lawyer is competent. But they want to make sure that the artist’s vocal cords are not in good shape by the time they get around to re-recording.”
This, he noted, begged the question of why an artist would even want to sign a record contract in the age of TikTok and Spotify. “Number one, there is the pride involved. If you were The Who in the ’60s, you could trash a hotel room and the label would clean up the mess. Of course it would come out of future royalties, but they would do it. But what you have to ask yourself is, is it worth it?”
This may not be an issue for most artists who sign to record labels — but it likely will be for a select few.
“Very few people have the power of a Taylor Swift, but nobody knows who the next Taylor Swift will be,” Greenstein said. “So, if you are a lawyer, you will represent your client zealously.”

Not that many artists have a stock broker/ financial analyst as a Dad who is backing their career. Taylor was able to have her career because of her Dad’s money. Apparently he even helped negotiate Taylor out of the Blake Lively court case. I don’t see that as particularly feminist.

What’s 100% anti feminist is continuing to give her father credit for her career, over and over and over.

Amen to that! She has her own team of lawyers, accountants, etc - who work for HER. So funny that the PP actually thinks she's a little girl whose daddy needs to come to her rescue.

Strange that he is still fighting her battles, rescuing her and trying to keep her out of trouble.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/taylor-swift-insider-who-leaked-blake-livelys-alleged-threat-to-release-pop-stars-private-texts-revealed/news-story/de51dbf30db4c913da9ec6da133141da

Oh, I get it now. You're the kind of imbecile who believes anonymous sources and the Daily Mail. Enough said!

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Anonymous wrote:Record execs duped her fans into rebuying all of her old albums under the guise of the masters being stolen and she tricked the big bad execs by re-recording everything. Y’all are hopeless saps.

Do your research first before responding. You’re wrong on why she recorded them

NP. She recorded them to devalue her old masters. Duped her fans into buying them with the sob story that they were bought out from under her. Gotta hand it to the petty b****.

Are the feminists still here with us? Or are we just giving up the ruse that they were ever for women?

Wait a minute- are you saying you can only be a feminist if you support Taylor? Or only if you support all women regardless of principle?

Or are you saying you bought into her grift that by buying her albums again again you were support women against big bad men?

I don’t need to support all women when I disagree with them principle nor do I have to support Taylor swift to be a feminist. Why (other than you bought her crap) would you ever think you have to support all women even if you disagree with them?

NP. No one is forcing you to buy her music so I don’t get where the animosity is coming from. I’ve never purchased a single item but still like her music. It’s possible. But to your other point, yeah kind of. If no one is getting hurt and it’s all just a business model that hurts no one but you just happen to disagree with, yeah I still think women should support women who are changing the status quo. And she has and did. They literally teach business law classes based on her approach. I think any feminist would support that success, as well as her advice and help she gives to upcoming artists. But whatever.

I have read she has actually hurt up coming artists with the way her handled the business. Here is a law school talking about how contracts have changed for the worse for artists because of how Taylor’s team handled the situation. She just made the system more capitalist.

https://uclawreview.org/2024/03/27/look-what-you-made-them-do-the-impact-of-taylor-swifts-re-recording-project-on-record-labels/

And Harvard: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/how-taylor-swift-changed-the-copyright-game-by-remaking-her-own-music/

In response, record companies are now trying to prohibit re-recordings for 20 or 30 years, not just two or three. And this has become a key part of contract negotiations. “Will they get 30 years? Probably not, if the lawyer is competent. But they want to make sure that the artist’s vocal cords are not in good shape by the time they get around to re-recording.”
This, he noted, begged the question of why an artist would even want to sign a record contract in the age of TikTok and Spotify. “Number one, there is the pride involved. If you were The Who in the ’60s, you could trash a hotel room and the label would clean up the mess. Of course it would come out of future royalties, but they would do it. But what you have to ask yourself is, is it worth it?”
This may not be an issue for most artists who sign to record labels — but it likely will be for a select few.
“Very few people have the power of a Taylor Swift, but nobody knows who the next Taylor Swift will be,” Greenstein said. “So, if you are a lawyer, you will represent your client zealously.”

Not that many artists have a stock broker/ financial analyst as a Dad who is backing their career. Taylor was able to have her career because of her Dad’s money. Apparently he even helped negotiate Taylor out of the Blake Lively court case. I don’t see that as particularly feminist.

What’s 100% anti feminist is continuing to give her father credit for her career, over and over and over.

Amen to that! She has her own team of lawyers, accountants, etc - who work for HER. So funny that the PP actually thinks she's a little girl whose daddy needs to come to her rescue.

Strange that he is still fighting her battles, rescuing her and trying to keep her out of trouble.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/taylor-swift-insider-who-leaked-blake-livelys-alleged-threat-to-release-pop-stars-private-texts-revealed/news-story/de51dbf30db4c913da9ec6da133141da

Yes, her daddy controls her career. All the insults from the peanut gallery here does not change that fact.

Meh. At one time, sure. Now? No way. She's a 35 yr. old woman, a billionaire, and has her own legal team. She's the boss. But do keep spinning your bizarre narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:From Daddy Swift. He notes all the work and money he has put into Taylor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1csjpar/in_case_you_all_arent_familiar_with_the_infamous/

Honey, this is from 2008. Taylor Swift was - wait for it - 17 years old. Could you be a bigger moron?

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Anonymous wrote:The Taylor jealousy is off the charts. You guys literally said she didn’t write her own songs while she’s being inducted into songwriter’s hall of fame.
Now, you don’t think Taylor makes her own decisions, and so what if her dad helped kick start her career. Do you know how many Hollywood people got breaks because of their connections???? Quite a few

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When she was a TEENAGER. Oh, the horror!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

By Taylor’s own admission, mom is her therapist and matchmaker and according to many, Dad is still stepping in to solve her business and legal problems.

I don’t think her fans are remotely able to be objective about her. You “guys” are too stuck in Taylor worship to think that she isn’t solely responsible for her success. You are willing to insult people who point out inconsistencies in your theories and willing to defend capitalism to keep you from questioning your beliefs about her.

I'm sorry, but you are an utter loon. "Defend capitalism"? Um, you bet! It's clear you have some kind of socialist agenda and you're using Taylor Swift as your scapegoat, which is pathetic.

I don't worship TS, but I love much of her music. Is that allowed in your bizarre world view?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

By Taylor’s own admission, mom is her therapist and matchmaker and according to many, Dad is still stepping in to solve her business and legal problems.

I don’t think her fans are remotely able to be objective about her. You “guys” are too stuck in Taylor worship to think that she isn’t solely responsible for her success. You are willing to insult people who point out inconsistencies in your theories and willing to defend capitalism to keep you from questioning your beliefs about her.

Mom is her matchmaker? You guys must be fun if you’re hanging on to that now. She was being playful because her mom helped with the Travis thing not most of her boyfriends. You just want to hate and her because you want to be her.

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I'm well into middle age and will proudly say my mom is my best friend and therapist - and at one time, she also played matchmaker! I think there is a certain type of Taylor Swift hater. They really hate that she's white, pretty, close to her parents, generous, popular, and a billionaire. The fact that she was just inducted into the Songwriters' Hall of Fame must *really* eat at them too!

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Anonymous wrote:Record execs duped her fans into rebuying all of her old albums under the guise of the masters being stolen and she tricked the big bad execs by re-recording everything. Y’all are hopeless saps.

Do your research first before responding. You’re wrong on why she recorded them

NP. She recorded them to devalue her old masters. Duped her fans into buying them with the sob story that they were bought out from under her. Gotta hand it to the petty b****.

Are the feminists still here with us? Or are we just giving up the ruse that they were ever for women?

Wait a minute- are you saying you can only be a feminist if you support Taylor? Or only if you support all women regardless of principle?

Or are you saying you bought into her grift that by buying her albums again again you were support women against big bad men?

I don’t need to support all women when I disagree with them principle nor do I have to support Taylor swift to be a feminist. Why (other than you bought her crap) would you ever think you have to support all women even if you disagree with them?

NP. No one is forcing you to buy her music so I don’t get where the animosity is coming from. I’ve never purchased a single item but still like her music. It’s possible. But to your other point, yeah kind of. If no one is getting hurt and it’s all just a business model that hurts no one but you just happen to disagree with, yeah I still think women should support women who are changing the status quo. And she has and did. They literally teach business law classes based on her approach. I think any feminist would support that success, as well as her advice and help she gives to upcoming artists. But whatever.

I have read she has actually hurt up coming artists with the way her handled the business. Here is a law school talking about how contracts have changed for the worse for artists because of how Taylor’s team handled the situation. She just made the system more capitalist.

https://uclawreview.org/2024/03/27/look-what-you-made-them-do-the-impact-of-taylor-swifts-re-recording-project-on-record-labels/

And Harvard: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/how-taylor-swift-changed-the-copyright-game-by-remaking-her-own-music/

In response, record companies are now trying to prohibit re-recordings for 20 or 30 years, not just two or three. And this has become a key part of contract negotiations. “Will they get 30 years? Probably not, if the lawyer is competent. But they want to make sure that the artist’s vocal cords are not in good shape by the time they get around to re-recording.”
This, he noted, begged the question of why an artist would even want to sign a record contract in the age of TikTok and Spotify. “Number one, there is the pride involved. If you were The Who in the ’60s, you could trash a hotel room and the label would clean up the mess. Of course it would come out of future royalties, but they would do it. But what you have to ask yourself is, is it worth it?”
This may not be an issue for most artists who sign to record labels — but it likely will be for a select few.
“Very few people have the power of a Taylor Swift, but nobody knows who the next Taylor Swift will be,” Greenstein said. “So, if you are a lawyer, you will represent your client zealously.”

Not that many artists have a stock broker/ financial analyst as a Dad who is backing their career. Taylor was able to have her career because of her Dad’s money. Apparently he even helped negotiate Taylor out of the Blake Lively court case. I don’t see that as particularly feminist.

What’s 100% anti feminist is continuing to give her father credit for her career, over and over and over.

Amen to that! She has her own team of lawyers, accountants, etc - who work for HER. So funny that the PP actually thinks she's a little girl whose daddy needs to come to her rescue.

Strange that he is still fighting her battles, rescuing her and trying to keep her out of trouble.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/taylor-swift-insider-who-leaked-blake-livelys-alleged-threat-to-release-pop-stars-private-texts-revealed/news-story/de51dbf30db4c913da9ec6da133141da

Oh, I get it now. You're the kind of imbecile who believes anonymous sources and the Daily Mail. Enough said!

Also, he’s her manager so it’s his job to help fight her battles but the poster you’re responding too is just fixated on hating Taylor. It’s such a bizarre obsession these haters have

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Anonymous wrote:Exec Scooter is filthy rich and famous. And Taylor now conveniently owns her masters right after milking her fans to re-buy literally all of her old albums. It totally wasn't a scam though. Fight the power, kids! lol

Huh. I haven't bought any of her albums. None, nada, zilch. Yet I still listen to her music on Spotify. Tell me again how I've been "milked"?

She has bragged about her Spotify numbers so you are helping. Doesn’t she earn money from those plays? Do you pay for Spotify? Even if you do not lay, Swift is earning money. Daddy made sure of that.

And? Artists *should* be compensated for their work. What's your point, exactly? You think she should be putting out music for free? Name one musician who does that.

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Anonymous wrote:Record execs duped her fans into rebuying all of her old albums under the guise of the masters being stolen and she tricked the big bad execs by re-recording everything. Y’all are hopeless saps.

Do your research first before responding. You’re wrong on why she recorded them

NP. She recorded them to devalue her old masters. Duped her fans into buying them with the sob story that they were bought out from under her. Gotta hand it to the petty b****.

Are the feminists still here with us? Or are we just giving up the ruse that they were ever for women?

Wait a minute- are you saying you can only be a feminist if you support Taylor? Or only if you support all women regardless of principle?

Or are you saying you bought into her grift that by buying her albums again again you were support women against big bad men?

I don’t need to support all women when I disagree with them principle nor do I have to support Taylor swift to be a feminist. Why (other than you bought her crap) would you ever think you have to support all women even if you disagree with them?

NP. No one is forcing you to buy her music so I don’t get where the animosity is coming from. I’ve never purchased a single item but still like her music. It’s possible. But to your other point, yeah kind of. If no one is getting hurt and it’s all just a business model that hurts no one but you just happen to disagree with, yeah I still think women should support women who are changing the status quo. And she has and did. They literally teach business law classes based on her approach. I think any feminist would support that success, as well as her advice and help she gives to upcoming artists. But whatever.

I have read she has actually hurt up coming artists with the way her handled the business. Here is a law school talking about how contracts have changed for the worse for artists because of how Taylor’s team handled the situation. She just made the system more capitalist.

https://uclawreview.org/2024/03/27/look-what-you-made-them-do-the-impact-of-taylor-swifts-re-recording-project-on-record-labels/

And Harvard: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/how-taylor-swift-changed-the-copyright-game-by-remaking-her-own-music/

In response, record companies are now trying to prohibit re-recordings for 20 or 30 years, not just two or three. And this has become a key part of contract negotiations. “Will they get 30 years? Probably not, if the lawyer is competent. But they want to make sure that the artist’s vocal cords are not in good shape by the time they get around to re-recording.”
This, he noted, begged the question of why an artist would even want to sign a record contract in the age of TikTok and Spotify. “Number one, there is the pride involved. If you were The Who in the ’60s, you could trash a hotel room and the label would clean up the mess. Of course it would come out of future royalties, but they would do it. But what you have to ask yourself is, is it worth it?”
This may not be an issue for most artists who sign to record labels — but it likely will be for a select few.
“Very few people have the power of a Taylor Swift, but nobody knows who the next Taylor Swift will be,” Greenstein said. “So, if you are a lawyer, you will represent your client zealously.”

Not that many artists have a stock broker/ financial analyst as a Dad who is backing their career. Taylor was able to have her career because of her Dad’s money. Apparently he even helped negotiate Taylor out of the Blake Lively court case. I don’t see that as particularly feminist.

What’s 100% anti feminist is continuing to give her father credit for her career, over and over and over.

Amen to that! She has her own team of lawyers, accountants, etc - who work for HER. So funny that the PP actually thinks she's a little girl whose daddy needs to come to her rescue.

Strange that he is still fighting her battles, rescuing her and trying to keep her out of trouble.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/taylor-swift-insider-who-leaked-blake-livelys-alleged-threat-to-release-pop-stars-private-texts-revealed/news-story/de51dbf30db4c913da9ec6da133141da

Yes, her daddy controls her career. All the insults from the peanut gallery here does not change that fact.

Meh. At one time, sure. Now? No way. She's a 35 yr. old woman, a billionaire, and has her own legal team. She's the boss. But do keep spinning your bizarre narrative.

plus a million.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

By Taylor’s own admission, mom is her therapist and matchmaker and according to many, Dad is still stepping in to solve her business and legal problems.

I don’t think her fans are remotely able to be objective about her. You “guys” are too stuck in Taylor worship to think that she isn’t solely responsible for her success. You are willing to insult people who point out inconsistencies in your theories and willing to defend capitalism to keep you from questioning your beliefs about her.

Mom is her matchmaker? You guys must be fun if you’re hanging on to that now. She was being playful because her mom helped with the Travis thing not most of her boyfriends. You just want to hate and her because you want to be her.

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I'm well into middle age and will proudly say my mom is my best friend and therapist - and at one time, she also played matchmaker! I think there is a certain type of Taylor Swift hater. They really hate that she's white, pretty, close to her parents, generous, popular, and a billionaire. The fact that she was just inducted into the Songwriters' Hall of Fame must *really* eat at them too!

Exactly. Their jealousy is out of this world

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

By Taylor’s own admission, mom is her therapist and matchmaker and according to many, Dad is still stepping in to solve her business and legal problems.

I don’t think her fans are remotely able to be objective about her. You “guys” are too stuck in Taylor worship to think that she isn’t solely responsible for her success. You are willing to insult people who point out inconsistencies in your theories and willing to defend capitalism to keep you from questioning your beliefs about her.

These people sound young or maybe they are bots. Either way, they sound quite taken w Taylor and very defensive and can’t look at the situation with objectivity.

It’s interesting to see how quickly some of them resort to insults and it’s like how the president acts when someone does not agree with him. He resorts to insults, which is a weak attempt at argument.

This is exactly what Trumpers do? Projection. It’s the haters that have been insulting calling her fiancé trash or how she doesn’t write her own music or is a puppet to the industry. Her fans defend her, yes but the insults and trashy posts come from you and hopefully you don’t have children because we know where they get the bullying behavior from

She does not write songs entirely herself so it is true she does not write her own music.

Yes, you have proven my point by delivering more insults. They do nothing to me except show you are a bully who disagrees by insulting people.

Taylor brings out the worst in you.

DP. I'm going to say this as simply and clearly as possible in the hopes that you'll be able to grasp the message:
TS writes all of her own songs herself OR with a co-writing partner. She always, always credits these cowriters. That you don't understand this fact only reflects poorly on you. Do you really think she would have been inducted into the Songwriters' Hall of Fame if she didn't write her own songs?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

Yep, I’m sure tons of parents that we don’t hear about our pouring money into their kids to become famous, weather it’s America idol or whatever to make their dreams come true but they aren’t Taylor so the hater jealousy people that think she doesn’t write her own songs had to find something else wrong with her

Most normal parents, even though they are supporting their kid on American Idol, aren’t arranging secret parties for their teenager to generate interest, or creating a web page about their 12 year old daughter to support her music career. They exploited her, even if at 12 she said she wanted to do it. I can’t imagine doing that to a tween. Even beyond that, most parents aren’t buying up their child’s albums or have the savvy to negotiate business contracts for their child or claiming that they are their child’s therapist.

Oh, my. You missed the point completely. She has talent and stage presence and the ‘it’ factor and if it was so easy to manipulate the system by throwing parties to generate interest and have their kid become famous and rich lots would do it but they aren’t Taylor.
Acting like Taylor has nothing to do with her success is not just naive, it’s a very dumb take

Do you really think it is okay to create a website about your 12 year old? Do you really want to engineer your kids life to the point you are inviting screened fans over to have parties with her? She herself has said she was lonely and would follow fans to see what normal kids lives are like. I can’t imagine doing that to a child. Yes, some people do it for sports, but that doesn’t have the same trade offs of fame and money for privacy that Hollywood/the music industry does.

And if you are okay with all that and think it is normal, are you currently doing it for your kids?

DP. What I find truly hilarious about your posts is that you know (or think you know) far more about her than most normal, run-of-the-mill fans. You've clearly done lots of research about her (a lot of which is obviously false) and have provided far more detail (also probably fake) that you've gleaned from your weird obsession with her. In short, you're the very definition of a STAN.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

Yep, I’m sure tons of parents that we don’t hear about our pouring money into their kids to become famous, weather it’s America idol or whatever to make their dreams come true but they aren’t Taylor so the hater jealousy people that think she doesn’t write her own songs had to find something else wrong with her

Most normal parents, even though they are supporting their kid on American Idol, aren’t arranging secret parties for their teenager to generate interest, or creating a web page about their 12 year old daughter to support her music career. They exploited her, even if at 12 she said she wanted to do it. I can’t imagine doing that to a tween. Even beyond that, most parents aren’t buying up their child’s albums or have the savvy to negotiate business contracts for their child or claiming that they are their child’s therapist.

Oh, my. You missed the point completely. She has talent and stage presence and the ‘it’ factor and if it was so easy to manipulate the system by throwing parties to generate interest and have their kid become famous and rich lots would do it but they aren’t Taylor.
Acting like Taylor has nothing to do with her success is not just naive, it’s a very dumb take

Do you really think it is okay to create a website about your 12 year old? Do you really want to engineer your kids life to the point you are inviting screened fans over to have parties with her? She herself has said she was lonely and would follow fans to see what normal kids lives are like. I can’t imagine doing that to a child. Yes, some people do it for sports, but that doesn’t have the same trade offs of fame and money for privacy that Hollywood/the music industry does.

And if you are okay with all that and think it is normal, are you currently doing it for your kids?

I don't really see anyone defending her dad...only what Taylor managed to accomplish.

Thank you. The reading comprehension from Taylor bashers is really lacking.

NP. “Taylor bashers”? The strangest thing about her is this bizarre fan passion. It’s all so weird, her neediness, her attention whoring ala court side, the is she or is she not friends with XYZ person, the strident screamy nature of her obvious immaturity in romantic relationships, the parasocial response to the engagement and her preening brag about being “your English teacher” getting engaged.

Beatlemania and women throwing themselves at Elvis seems more normal. The fan wars between Nicki Minaj and Megan Thee Stallion lovers seems more normal. Playing online Secret Service officer to a middle-aged, incredibly rich woman who writes background music is so deeply, deeply odd.

One of the strangest things I've ever read... and I'm not even a "Swiftie." You really need to take a break and find something constructive to do.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious that her dad putting 1 million in her career when she was young means that her dad is responsible or controls her career.

Guys, my family was pretty wealthy growing up. My dad could’ve easily afforded to put $1 million toward a music career. Guess what. Even if he did, I seriously doubt I’d be worth 2 billion by age 36 and I seriously doubt I would’ve had the biggest tour we will ever see for generations.

There are millions and millions and millions of kids who don’t amount to any successful career in the industry yet have supportive parents who are trying to make their dreams come true and investing time and money in them. But it’s a one in 10 million chance that you end up with a long-term, lucrative and successful career, and for Taylor’s level of success it’s more like one in a billion.

By Taylor’s own admission, mom is her therapist and matchmaker and according to many, Dad is still stepping in to solve her business and legal problems.

I don’t think her fans are remotely able to be objective about her. You “guys” are too stuck in Taylor worship to think that she isn’t solely responsible for her success. You are willing to insult people who point out inconsistencies in your theories and willing to defend capitalism to keep you from questioning your beliefs about her.

These people sound young or maybe they are bots. Either way, they sound quite taken w Taylor and very defensive and can’t look at the situation with objectivity.

It’s interesting to see how quickly some of them resort to insults and it’s like how the president acts when someone does not agree with him. He resorts to insults, which is a weak attempt at argument.

This is exactly what Trumpers do? Projection. It’s the haters that have been insulting calling her fiancé trash or how she doesn’t write her own music or is a puppet to the industry. Her fans defend her, yes but the insults and trashy posts come from you and hopefully you don’t have children because we know where they get the bullying behavior from

But, there is a difference between “insulting” Taylor (a billionaire who has all the power) and insulting a regular person who is saying they don’t like her. The Swifties are behaving as if people who don’t like Taylor are insulting them personally by disagreeing with Taylor’s music or origin story. We (or at least I) am not. There is also a difference between an insult (like weird/weirdo, bizzare, acting like _____) and bringing up things that don’t agree with the Swifty narrative.

I AM disagreeing with Taylor’s version and the way she and her family does business. That isn’t and shouldn’t be a personal insult to you. It isn’t even an insult to Taylor to question her origin story. Yet, you take it like it is.

I don't want to insult anyone just because they don't like Taylor. I actually life the r/SwiftlyNeutral board because it's reasonable. But sorry, the CTE troll and the "masters was fake" trolls are whack and I have no problem calling that out.

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Anonymous wrote:Record execs duped her fans into rebuying all of her old albums under the guise of the masters being stolen and she tricked the big bad execs by re-recording everything. Y’all are hopeless saps.

Do your research first before responding. You’re wrong on why she recorded them

NP. She recorded them to devalue her old masters. Duped her fans into buying them with the sob story that they were bought out from under her. Gotta hand it to the petty b****.

Are the feminists still here with us? Or are we just giving up the ruse that they were ever for women?

Wait a minute- are you saying you can only be a feminist if you support Taylor? Or only if you support all women regardless of principle?

Or are you saying you bought into her grift that by buying her albums again again you were support women against big bad men?

I don’t need to support all women when I disagree with them principle nor do I have to support Taylor swift to be a feminist. Why (other than you bought her crap) would you ever think you have to support all women even if you disagree with them?

NP. No one is forcing you to buy her music so I don’t get where the animosity is coming from. I’ve never purchased a single item but still like her music. It’s possible. But to your other point, yeah kind of. If no one is getting hurt and it’s all just a business model that hurts no one but you just happen to disagree with, yeah I still think women should support women who are changing the status quo. And she has and did. They literally teach business law classes based on her approach. I think any feminist would support that success, as well as her advice and help she gives to upcoming artists. But whatever.

I have read she has actually hurt up coming artists with the way her handled the business. Here is a law school talking about how contracts have changed for the worse for artists because of how Taylor’s team handled the situation. She just made the system more capitalist.

https://uclawreview.org/2024/03/27/look-what-you-made-them-do-the-impact-of-taylor-swifts-re-recording-project-on-record-labels/

And Harvard: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/how-taylor-swift-changed-the-copyright-game-by-remaking-her-own-music/

In response, record companies are now trying to prohibit re-recordings for 20 or 30 years, not just two or three. And this has become a key part of contract negotiations. “Will they get 30 years? Probably not, if the lawyer is competent. But they want to make sure that the artist’s vocal cords are not in good shape by the time they get around to re-recording.”
This, he noted, begged the question of why an artist would even want to sign a record contract in the age of TikTok and Spotify. “Number one, there is the pride involved. If you were The Who in the ’60s, you could trash a hotel room and the label would clean up the mess. Of course it would come out of future royalties, but they would do it. But what you have to ask yourself is, is it worth it?”
This may not be an issue for most artists who sign to record labels — but it likely will be for a select few.
“Very few people have the power of a Taylor Swift, but nobody knows who the next Taylor Swift will be,” Greenstein said. “So, if you are a lawyer, you will represent your client zealously.”

Not that many artists have a stock broker/ financial analyst as a Dad who is backing their career. Taylor was able to have her career because of her Dad’s money. Apparently he even helped negotiate Taylor out of the Blake Lively court case. I don’t see that as particularly feminist.

What’s 100% anti feminist is continuing to give her father credit for her career, over and over and over.

Amen to that! She has her own team of lawyers, accountants, etc - who work for HER. So funny that the PP actually thinks she's a little girl whose daddy needs to come to her rescue.

Strange that he is still fighting her battles, rescuing her and trying to keep her out of trouble.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/taylor-swift-insider-who-leaked-blake-livelys-alleged-threat-to-release-pop-stars-private-texts-revealed/news-story/de51dbf30db4c913da9ec6da133141da

Oh, I get it now. You're the kind of imbecile who believes anonymous sources and the Daily Mail. Enough said!

Also, he’s her manager so it’s his job to help fight her battles but the poster you’re responding too is just fixated on hating Taylor. It’s such a bizarre obsession these haters have

DP. Agreed, but actually, Scott Swift is not her manager. Her management team is called 13 Management and was co-founded by TS and her mother.